On March 1, 2008, 35 Australian Christian ministers apologized for years of antigay defamation and discrimination, which they called “un-Christian.” More ministers would have apologized, but several ministers were threatened into silence by antigay superiors.
Anthony Venn-Brown of Freedom 2 b[e] has just released video of these apologies to gay and gender-variant persons.
Addendum, April 13: Venn-Brown announced via e-mail this evening that the “100 Revs” apology has won an award for Most Outstanding Political Comment from the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras.
thats a really sad thing for the church!no christian should have to apologize for condeming sin!! homosexuality is a sin…. leviticus 18:22
Actually, you can’t really say “homosexuality IS a sin” because the verse you quoted can’t be proven to have come from anything other than the oral traditions of illiterate nomads in the desert.
Unfortunately for you, we have science now, and science wins.
Good try!
(Oh, also, that verse doesn’t say anything about homosexuality. It might blow your mind, and you might think you know how to read, but you don’t write very well, so, I’m just going to go ahead and trust my knowledge of Hebrew society over your monkey scribbling, okay?)
evan, that is one of the most ignorant statements made about the bible that i have ever heard! of course your going to say that because you have a vested interest in homosexuality… what does science have to do with sexual behavior anyway?
actually, the verse is directly addressing homosexuality……it says “do not practice homosexuality,having sex with another man as with a woman. it is a detestable sin.” new living translation. you should know what your talking about before you claim to know something about it.
Science has everything to do with sexual behavior because biology and brain chemistry determine sexual orientation.
Don’t know what part you think is ignorant:
1. The fact that you can’t prove that your god “said” anything?
2. The fact that you don’t understand the verse or Hebrew culture well enough to understand that it wasn’t about “homosexuality” as we understand it, in any way, shape or form?
Sorry, dude who doesn’t know the difference between “your” and “you’re.”
I’ve studied this inside and out, up one side and down the other, in the original languages. You, on the other hand, have not mastered your first language.
You have failed.
Goodbye.
the bible is proof that my god said it! let me guess… you are an athiest homosexual? being able to type and being able to speak my language are different things. i type 12 words a minute…. with 100 mistakes, so if insulting me because of my computer grammer makes you feel better about your “gayness” then, have a flamin ball! so wheres the proof that chemistry and biology determine attraction to children… wich alot of homos and heteros alike expierience?
most child molestation cases are of men with boys, how does science explain that?
Uh, the Bible proves nothing, dude.
The Bible offers no more proof that your god exists than Curious George offers that the Man in the Yellow Hat is the creator of the world.
Oh, and I don’t need things to “feel better about my gayness,” because I’m a perfectly happy, well adjusted productive human being. Obviously, you are not, since you’re trolling gay blogs in the dead of night.
And no, “most child molestation cases” are NOT of men with boys. If you would like to have an adult discussion about the meaning of the word “pedophilia” and its occurrence as a mental disorder, that’s fine. Because pedophilia, like all rape, does not tend to be about sex as much as it is about power/control. When a person rapes another person, whether it’s a child or an adult, they’re acting out sexually, but they’re doing so to have power over another human being.
In point of FACT, there are FAR more pedophiles who are heterosexual than there are pedophiles who are homosexual. That being said, pedophiles actually do not tend to discriminate between the genders of the children they molest. Perhaps you’re thinking about the fact that there are far more male victims of Catholic priests, but that’s simply because they have access to far more young boys than they do girls.
i am a perfectly happy straight man thank you. my wife is in favor of me speaking out against gays. funny that you mention the catholic church, and their recent flery of man-boy molestation cases… while at the same time, their acceptance of gays in their church is on the rise as well,especially gay preists. i am a christian… not the same as a catholic. i dont believe that being gay is the worst thing that someone can do, but it is sin….. just like murder, lying, stealing, or adultery. if it wasnt wrong, and if it was completely normal and acceptable… then there wouldnt be any laws against it. many people disagree with that lifestyle who arent even christian at all. thats a fact.
So, if we criminalized Christianity, would there be nothing wrong with that either? Because you said that if it was normal and acceptable there wouldn’t be any laws against it?
I mean, if that’s the test of whether something is good or not…
Apparently you don’t understand much about the Catholic scandals, or the Catholic Church. Their “acceptance of gay priests” isn’t “on the rise.” These scandals go back DECADES.
Anyway, I’m going to have to say: If you can’t say anything new besides “Bein’ homosexical is a seeeeein,” you’re not going to be welcome commenting here, not because it’s offensive, but because it’s vapid. Part of the unwritten rules of being a commenter on the internet is that you ADD something to the discussion. You’re just annoying.
“if it wasnt wrong, and if it was completely normal and acceptable… then there wouldnt be any laws against it.”
Does that also mean interracial marriage is still wrong? I mean we had laws on the books forbidding it, why did those laws get repealed I wonder?
Also, is rape still okay? I mean, the Bible (in Deuteronomy 22:28-29) allows you to get away with rape by marrying and paying the girl off with silver, so does that mean rape laws today are wrong?
nateyouareadumbass, you might not want to hear the real answer to your rape question. I mean, it’s not explicit, but just look at the fundamentalist world: it’s rape culture.
if your going to quote the bible… you need to know what you are doing. that passage in deuteronomy says nothing about rape. it says if a man has intercourse with a virgin, he must marry her, and its not paying her off… he is paying her father for violating his daughter. rape is never ok! as far as interracial marriage is concerned…i dont believe in “races” first of all. there is only one race in my mind, the human race. color of skin is a non issue for me. i have black friends, hispanic friends,asian friends,my niece is half black. nothing wrong with interracial relationships.
oh, im flattered that someone picked a screen name based on me!!!
Rape is condoned all over the Bible.
“As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.”
Deuteronomy 20:10-14
“If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.”
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (Not only is rape okay, but a woman isn’t allowed to divorce her rapist!)
“If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.”
Deuteronomy 22:23-24 (Stone the rape victim!)
“They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil.”
Judges 5:30 (Rape is okay if you win the bitches in war!)
“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.”
Exodus 21:7-11 (You can sell your daughter as a sex slave, and she won’t be set free! He can sell her back, though, if she’s not pleasing to him! He can then sell her to his son, but no double dipping! Now she’s your SON’s sex slave!
I guess the Bible isn’t a very moral book after all.
evan, you have miss quoted all of those verses…. deut.22:23-24 talk about a man having intercourse with a married woman, and she dose not stop him, then they both die. if you read the very next verse however, you read that if the man “rapes” the woman, then only he must die,do nothing to the woman. the passage in judges is a song from a woman deborah, and her husband barak. it was a song about men in the city god took for the israelites…. nothing whatsoever to do with rape. your miss representation of the bible is very disturbing. you take the stories out of context, and put your own spin on them to justify your disgusting lifestyle! the bible is a moral and just book… if you read it in context and dont pervert it, like your doing! nice try evan…. your wrong!
Uh no.
And dammit, I’m going to give you a lesson:
1. Your: possessive. Implies ownership.
2. You’re: contraction of “You are.”
There is NO excuse for a literate human being who speaks English to screw that up 100% of the time.
And nothing you said about the bible verses disproves the fact that rape is condoned all over the bible, and in those verses.
I guess what you’re saying is that it’s not rape if the woman doesn’t scream?
Pig.
Nate said “the bible is proof that my god said it!”.
Ridiculous. The bible is no more proof of what your god supposedly said than a book I might write saying “god said this and god said that” would be proof of what your god said”. Any dufus can write a book saying “god said this and god said that” and that is just what your bible is.
the bible does not condone rape evan. no matter how you try to twist it into sounding that way, you are just flat out wrong!! 2peter 3:5 describes people like you to a tee! you refuse to accept gods word cuz it chaps your hide,well get some vaseline kids… cuz you are gonna need it!! just cuz you dont believe,doesnt mean its not true. you go by science to live your life. there was a time when science taught that the earth was flat… it taught that the sun and the planets revolved around the earth… and that big objects fall faster than small objects, all of which were proven false. it also says that an unborn child is not a human being;another lie!! science always changes…gods word never does.
Don’t all supposedly sacred books (Bible, Qur’ƒÅn, Book of Mormon etc.) claim to be what God said?
I’ve noticed that some Christian fundamentalists also have a supplement to the Bible, viz. their own hotline to God. They say “God told me this” and “God told me that”, and even “God told me TO DO this / that / the other.”
The words of Thomas Paine are pertinent here:
“It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication — after this it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to ME, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him.”
william,that has nothing to do with this conversation.
It has EVERYTHING to do with it.
It’s either god’s word or it isn’t.
You either eat shrimp or you don’t.
Nate, nothing to do with this conversation? Let’s look at Leviticus 18:22.
“You must not lie with a man as with a woman. This is a hateful thing.”
O.K. Prescinding from the plain fact that I CAN’T lie with a man as with a woman, because he doesn’t have the body parts that a woman has, what have we got here?
We have what the unknown author or authors of the Pentateuch tell us, writing a few hundred years after the alleged events, that Moses — whose historical existence is as problematical as that of King Arthur — said that God told him to tell the people of Israel. Hearsay or what?
funny how someone ALWAYS has to quote Leviticus 18:22
do those that quote The Law follow the rest of the prohibitions in Leviticus?
no adultery [Leviticus 20:10]
no eating of pig [Levitcus 11:7]
no eating of shellfish [Leviticus 11:9]
no sleeping with your wife when she’s having her period [Leviticus 20:18]
but, here’s the clincher: WE ARE DEAD TO THE LAW!
Romans 7:4-6
Galatains 2:19 & 21
its not hearsay, the bible was written by god through those men. they didnt come up with it on their own.if thats the case, then everything we know about anything can be construde as hearsay. why trust any book you learn from in school?? how do we know george washington existed? nobody alive today has ever seen or talked to him… all we have is hearsay history books.
“its not hearsay, the bible was written by god through those men.”
That explains all the inaccuracies, contradictions, and meanderings.
“how do we know george washington existed? ”
Because there are multiple books, records, paintings, documents, and everything else, all contemporary to and immediately following Mr. W. There is corroboration among the various documents, they were published in different countries, and on and on and on. There is NO such documentation for Jesus, let alone the events of the bible. The Gospels were written 30-40 years AFTER Jesus died. If you knew anything about biblical scholarship, you owyuld know that 95% (at least) of biblical scholars agree to this.
Or as Francis X. collins so charmingly put it, the gospels are “near eye-witness accounts”./ That’s a hole you could drive a large roman chariot through.
Yes, Richard, you’re right. (Or, in Nate’ language, “your right.”) But we know what the answer is going to be; you can write the script in advance. It’ going to be that the Mosaic Law is divided into civil, ceremonial and moral laws, and that it’ only the civil and ceremonial laws that we’re dead to. This fraudulent argument ignores two facts:
(1) Leviticus neither makes nor allows for any such distinction.
(2) Leviticus repeatedly stresses that ALL the laws are divine commands and that ALL of them are to be observed.
And so it goes on, like a recurring decimal.
richard,alot of those other laws do not aply to us today… you are right on that. however,homosexuality is still mentioned in the new testament,1 corinthians 6:9-10. romans 1:26-27, these passages which still do aply still condemn homosexuality! the verses you are quoting in romans and galations, say that we are dead to the law of man,which is subject to the law of god.
my language??? really??? thats all you got is to mock my grammer? ha ha ha… i get it,your…you’re…you all know what i mean.
“its [sic] not hearsay, the bible was written by god through those men.”
Yes, and exactly the same claim is made for the Qur’ƒÅn and the Book of Mormon. Similarly, Mary Baker Eddy claimed that her “Science and Health, with Key to the Scriptures” was authorized by Christ himself.
those other books on other religions are wrong too. though, they all have the same views on homosexuality…
Well, it’s nice to know that they can throughly disagree on the very nature of god and his message to the world, and that is OK.
but as long as they can agree that Queers are Bad, they must have some authority.
Your biases are showing, and badly.
Nate said in comment #20, “science always changes…gods word never does.” Exactly! I think you’re starting to get it! The fact that science changes is part of its strength. And “God’s word” never changing is part of its weakness.
Of course science changes as new evidence is discovered. And the evidence of science’s validity is all around us in the results it has produced. During your remaining lifetime I suggest that you refuse all modern medical treatment/medications in favor of prayer, and then let us know how that works out.
As for religion, it took the Catholic church over 340 years to pardon Galileo for discoveries that they finally had to acknowledge as true. But religion is still fighting a raging battle against science – because deep down they know that scientific discoveries continue to chip away at religious beliefs.
Why do you accept the writings of ignorant superstitious people that lived thousands of years ago while rejecting verifiable discoveries that came much later? And as an aside, if you only trust ignorant superstitious people, then why doesn’t some top Christian official declare Joyce Meyer’s conversations with God to be a new book of the Bible. She’s always on TV relaying all the things God has told her. If God’s conversations with ancient people were good enough for the Bible, why not Joyce Meyer’s?
Obviously, part of your goal here is to convince us the Bible is true, so why don’t you just bring out the smoking-gun-evidence: Compelling documented evidence that God has healed a quadriplegic, for example, might cause me to reconsider my position. As a Christian, that’s part of your responsibility, and so far you’ve failed.
Nate said “science always changes…gods word never does.”.
Science changes because it looks at new evidence and revises its assumptions based on what is most likely. Religion ignores contradictory evidence and claims what is obviously false is true. That’s what makes science better than religion.
Nate said “its not hearsay, the bible was written by god through those men.”.
You have no proof of that. Your claim is no different than me writing a book that says “god says this and god says that” and that the book was written by god through me – anyone can write a book and claim it was written by god through others, doesn’t make it true.
William said “Yes, and exactly the same claim is made for the Qur’ƒÅn and the Book of Mormon. Similarly, Mary Baker Eddy claimed that her “Science and Health, with Key to the Scriptures” was authorized by Christ himself.”
Nate responded “those other books on other religions are wrong too.”.
You have no evidence to support your claim that your book is right and those books are wrong. You can claim your book says its right but their books make the same claim – why should we believe your book and not the Koran or book of Mormon? Your book claiming god exists doesn’t prove it anymore than the Harry Potter books saying witchcraft exists prove it does.
And god’s word changes constantly. if it didn’t, there owuldn’t be some 60,000 different christian denominations, a number of whom do not believe homosexuality to be a sin.
Jesus: no divorce except for adultery.
All Christians except catholics: divorce is fine for vairous reasons.
Catholics: we’ll call it an annulment, and pretend “what god has joined togther” NEVER happened.
still not convinced.
Damn, it got hilarious in here:
Nate said:
“the bible does not condone rape evan. no matter how you try to twist it into sounding that way, you are just flat out wrong!! 2peter 3:5 describes people like you to a tee! you refuse to accept gods word cuz it chaps your hide,well get some vaseline kids… cuz you are gonna need it!”
According to some book you’ve been indoctrinated into believing was written by a god? Adorable. And yes, the Bible condones rape. A lot. It also condones slavery. A lot. It’s sad that I know more about your bible than you do, but that’s how it is.
” there was a time when science taught that the earth was flat… it taught that the sun and the planets revolved around the earth… and that big objects fall faster than small objects, all of which were proven false.”
OMFG, you don’t understand how science works at all, do you? Good GOD. Science builds upon science. When they find something to be incorrect, it gets thrown out. For instance, the entire book of Genesis has been found to be incorrect, out of order, and so effing ridiculous that it makes ALL smart people laugh. And you still haven’t proven that “god’s word” is anything more than your imagination. Having an imagination is good, but it’s bad when you think the funny pictures and voices in your head are real, Nate.
Nate said:
“william,that has nothing to do with this conversation.”
Translation: William, I do not understand, and I am ashamed of that, but I feel threatened by the pool of intellectuals I have stepped into, and now I feel attacked because everybody here has three numbers in their IQ and I just have these two.
William said:
“O.K. Prescinding from the plain fact that I CAN’T lie with a man as with a woman, because he doesn’t have the body parts that a woman has, what have we got here?”
The fascinating thing about that text is actually the line that fundamentalists gloss over, because they never study the original languages. The most important phrase in there is “as with a woman.” The reason that it’s said that way, and that there is no similar condemnation against women sleeping with women in that text, is that the early tribes (because it’s important to remember, we’re dealing with uneducated TRIBES of people here) believed that women were inherently inferior. All of the other verses in that chapter condemn screwing your aunt, your niece, etc., your neighbor’s wife, etc., but the reason that’s always given is that if you screw your aunt, you’re sinning against your uncle, because your aunt is HIS property, if you screw your neighbor’s wife, you’re sinning against your male neighbor, who owns her. None of it had anything to do with sex, per se, but about male honor. Also contained in their idea of male honor was the notion that for a man to make himself “as a woman,” (the exact words in 18:22) was below shameful, because he was already superior. So both are condemned because one is MAKING another man “as a woman” and one is allowing himself to be made “as a woman”, and therefore both are impugning each others’ male superiority by “lying with a man as with a woman.”
Ancient scripture is actually fascinating if you study the cultures in which it was written and the original languages. It comes alive as a story, in a way that modern day people don’t often understand.
But for people like Nate, it’s a lot easier to pick your a*s and show it to people in the form of re-vomiting everything your pastors have vomited into your brain, without any knowledge of your own.
Again, I say to Nate: You obviously have nothing to contribute to this discussion on ANY intellectual level, so why are you trolling gay blogs? Are you really that lonely? Is this the only way you can spend time with gay people without feeling guilty?
Nate said:
“its not hearsay, the bible was written by god through those men. they didnt come up with it on their own.if thats the case, ”
PROVE IT. Nobody saw this god. Not one person.
“how do we know george washington existed? nobody alive today has ever seen or talked to him”
Because we have firsthand accounts and records of his life. Unlike this “god” you continue to yammer about. There aren’t even corroborating accounts of Jesus Christ, at least not in the way that you people talk about him. He was most likely a composite of a man that actually existed and several mythical figures.
“richard,alot of those other laws do not aply to us today… you are right on that. however,homosexuality is still mentioned in the new testament,1 corinthians 6:9-10. romans 1:26-27, these passages which still do aply still condemn homosexuality!”
Wrong. Here’s why: In order to pretend that the Pauline verses condemn homosexuality, you actually have to lie to yourself and others, or just be too stupid to know what homosexuality actually is. I don’t know whether you’re lying or you’re stupid, but I have a guess.
“my language??? really??? thats all you got is to mock my grammer? ha ha ha… i get it,your…you’re…you all know what i mean.”
Next week we’ll teach you how to spell “grammar.”
“hose other books on other religions are wrong too. though, they all have the same views on homosexuality…”
How do you know they’re wrong? Very curious about the answer to this one.
In comment #34 I really meant to say, “_Verifiable_ documented evidence that God has healed an _amputee_, for example, might cause me to reconsider my position.”
wow…. way too much to comment on here. i am way out numbered. i still know i am right though! i know what i am talking about here… i just cant respond to every single issue here, not because of my lack of an IQ Evan, but simply because there is too much comming at me from all directions here. glad i could get all of you to jabber about me while i was away though.
let me ask of everyone this….. if you dont accept that jesus is who he says he is, and you dont accept the bible as the inspired holy word of the living God, then what do you believe in? where will you go when you die?
Nate, you’re foolish if you think none of us are Christian; you’re foolish again if you think you fully understand any portion of the Bible in the context of its original languages, culture, and religion; and you’re triply foolish if you smugly presume yourself to be saved even as you blithely damn to hell various people because they happen to understand Biblical context and historical and scientific error better than you.
michael, i know that none of you are christian…everyone has clearly stated that they dont acknowledge the bible as truth. context, language, and religion?? religion has nothing to do with the bible. god spoke against religion. christianity is a relationship with god. i am saved by the grace of god. i dont damn to hell anybody…. we as a sinful human race did that ourselves, and its only by Gods grace that we can be saved from that. none of you understand biblical context better than anyone, especially not more than God himself. infact, its people like yourself and evan who are more arrogant than you think i am.
you are all arrogant,smug and ignorant. only God can save people like you.
“let me ask of everyone this….. if you dont accept that jesus is who he says he is, and you dont accept the bible as the inspired holy word of the living God, then what do you believe in? where will you go when you die?”
No one in the history of the world has ever truly known the answer to that question.
By all available evidence, and by observing the way that life works in this world, and by understanding that everything we think of as a “soul” is actually the product of actions in our brains, when the brain stops…we do.
If you’re going purely based on evidence and reason, that’s the most logical conclusion.
Also, dude? Michael is a Christian.
So shut it.
you cannot be a christian and think that homosexuality is ok in gods eyes! thats like saying that being a drunk is ok, or an adulterer, or murderer.
Millions of Christians know that you have no clue what you’re talking about.
Science knows that you have no clue what you’re talking about.
All credible mental health professionals know that you have no clue what you’re talking about.
I’m sorry, dude. You’ve lost. The Bible wasn’t written in misspelled English, so there’s really no one who trusts you to interpret it.
Nate, to get you back on track, you need to step back and consider what’s going on here. These ministers apologized for defamation and discrimination towards gays. Why would you as a Christian be upset or oppose their apology? Do you defend defamation and discrimination as valid actions? If you do, then there are plenty of verses that show that your view is out of line with the Bible you are so quick to toss at others. The reality is that slander and inhospitality are not behaviors that Christians are encouraged to engage in, 20 centuries ago or now. You say it’s about ‘condemning sin’, well I think you and other Christians can state your viewpoint without defaming, destroying and deliberately hurting people who don’t agree with you or share your viewpoint. These ministers obviously came to the same conclusion, so the question now is, why can’t you?
homosexuality is nothing but pure, un natural animal lust! if it were normal and natural, and meant to be that way… then there would be no human race today you moron!!! the whole idea of homosexuality is absurd, unsound, ridiculously unreasonable, and stupid!! it does absolutely nothing to benefit the human race, or your precious science.
Hahahahahahahahaha, this is getting awesome.
I won’t go into the amazing discoveries geneticists are making on the theory of genetic antagonism, where a gene represents one way when passed to a male, but another way when passed to a female.
Or into the fact that there are hundreds of animal species that exhibit homosexual behavior. They haven’t died either. Look, they’re on your animal crackers, Nate! If “Teh Gay” had killed ‘em, you wouldn’t have none o’ them animal cookies! And then where would you be?!
pw, why cant evan??? you fags think that you are sooo smart, and that everyone is wrong and stupid, and nothing you do or say is. you’re all completely arrogant!
Nobody’s defaming anyone.
An internet person decided to go find a gay blog, even though he is scared of gays (obviously, as he is now getting hysterical), in order to feel like a Big Man, and he probably thought he would score a few points and then leave, but he found out that he’s completely outranked intellectually, and now he’s upset?
And now he cries that he’s being victimized?
Somebody missed their Grow Up pills today.
For any interested, this thread is a textbook example of the analysis I posted the other, about the fact that what motivates most men in wingnuttia, whatever their personal hang-ups, is the fact that they’re asking the question “Who am I better than?” louder and louder, and the world keeps replying “No one.”
name one animal species that expresses homosexual behaviors…..prove it!!! and as for the other thing you said…. prove that too!!
“name one animal species that expresses homosexual behaviors…..prove it!!!
Okay. There are several hundred there. Homosexuality has been observed in nature forever. It’s part of the natural order.
“and as for the other thing you said…. prove that too!!”
Which thing? You’re going to have to be more specific.