I think the issue is he couldn’t answer your question with the Exodus playbook.

Plus I didn’t see anything in your comment that would boost Randy’s ego, or applaud him LOL

Recently I posted the following comment in response to Randy’s delineation of what he calls a “gay worldview”:

Let’ just take a look at your description of a gay worldview, and at the “default set of “worldview” issues that are inherent for most. Examples: “I’m born this way” “being gay is not a choice” “I should be able to marry my partner”.’

(1) “I’m born this way.” Are heterosexual people “born this way”? Since heterosexual people are in the overwhelming majority, it seldom occurs to them to ask this question. They just accept that that’ the way that they and most other people are, and they’re unlikely to trouble themselves about the “cause” of their orientation. However, I think that most heterosexual people, if asked the question, would simply assume that the answer is “yes”.

That doesn’t mean, of course, that they were born with an explicit and conscious orientation towards people of the other sex, but rather that their sexual orientation was already programmed. Whether this is true or not is another matter; we simply don’t know, and we shouldn’t pretend that we do.

(2) “Being gay is not a choice.” If “gay” is being used here as a mere synonym for “homosexual” (i.e. attracted to other people — although almost certainly not to all people — of the same sex), then this isn’t a worldview issue at all, but a simple statement of fact: being gay is not a choice, and neither is being straight. Again, few heterosexual people ever bother to ask themselves whether they chose to be heterosexual, but those with any self-insight at all would confirm, if asked, that they never actually chose to be: they just are.

(3) “I should be able to marry my partner.” This is an assumption that heterosexual people make pretty well universally.

Thus we see that, mutis mutandis, a gay worldview, as you have described it, differs very little from a straight worldview.

The only difference that I am aware of is the absurd conceit held by quite a few heterosexual people that everyone, but everyone, ought to be straight. The converse belief, that everyone ought to be gay, is rare indeed — although I don’t doubt that you’ll find a tiny handful of gay nutcases who hold it, just as you’ll find some people who still subscribe to the flat earth theory.

Nick expresses concern that “many who struggle and look up to Ray may now feel inclined to follow his example.” I certainly hope so. Even if a closet is so skilfully constructed as to deceive the whole world, it will never deceive God. Furthermore, in one very important respect a closet is similar to your worldly wealth: you can’t take it with you.

After a short interval the above comment, which had apparently been successfully posted, disappeared, and all attempts to re-post it have failed. I gave a valid e-mail address, so can anyone explain to me where I’m going wrong?

This is coming from a guy who last week was crucifying himself with a pretty hilarious YouTube video I thrown together, and was claiming “I’ve never stigmatized gay people”.

Randy doesn’t need prayers. He needs medications – and lots of it.

Ex gay ministries fail to see the great harm they commit in the name of God. It really is getting to be a shame.

Kirk Talley’s story is more involved and can be found here:

http://www.rockvillecogop.com/board/board_topic/535781/109158.htm

Not to mention a waste of the afterlife too (if you’re a ‘believer’ (in reincarnation)).

And it’s not like you can just jump back into an adult body and start making up for it all. You’d have to be born as a baby, and then grow up all over again.

Now you try planning the “perfect” and “liberating” lifetime while racked with guilt and shame from your last one.

Now that would be hell.

(1) spending the rest of your life trying to persuade yourself and everyone else that you’re straight, or

(2) acknowledging that you’re “same-sex attracted”, but spending the rest of your life fretting over it and telling yourself that it would be better if you weren’t.

Either way, it’s a waste of a life.