Comments on: Ex-Gay Activist Obscures Correction to Genome-Project Article http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/10/919/ Fighting antigay lies and the ex-gay myth Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:56:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Daniel http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/10/919/comment-page-1/#comment-36651 Daniel Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:46:09 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=919#comment-36651 Bruce, I think we're all waiting for specific examples. It's easy to say "both sides are dishonest" but you need to back it up or it just seems like you're a troll. Bruce, I think we’re all waiting for specific examples. It’s easy to say “both sides are dishonest” but you need to back it up or it just seems like you’re a troll.

]]> By: William http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/10/919/comment-page-1/#comment-36642 William Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:11:32 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=919#comment-36642 Bruce, I don't get you. Could you be more explicit, please? Bruce, I don’t get you. Could you be more explicit, please?

]]> By: Priya Lynn http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/10/919/comment-page-1/#comment-36639 Priya Lynn Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:43:28 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=919#comment-36639 BS Bruce, show where our side has been dishonest. And no, we cannot throw ourselves on the grace and mercy of an imaginary being. BS Bruce, show where our side has been dishonest. And no, we cannot throw ourselves on the grace and mercy of an imaginary being.

]]> By: Bruce http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/10/919/comment-page-1/#comment-36638 Bruce Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:09:55 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=919#comment-36638 I am always amazed at the dishonesty on both sides of this debate, you are all dishonest and use your own stories to make a case, from the hardest gay activist to the most rabid evangelical you are not honest but defend a position on both sides that has no real defense, can we not rather throw ourselves on the grace and mercy of God I am always amazed at the dishonesty on both sides of this debate, you are all dishonest and use your own stories to make a case, from the hardest gay activist to the most rabid evangelical you are not honest but defend a position on both sides that has no real defense, can we not rather throw ourselves on the grace and mercy of God

]]> By: Michael Airhart http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/10/919/comment-page-1/#comment-11026 Michael Airhart Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:45:19 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=919#comment-11026 Matthew, your request -- that the entire gay population of the world unite in a global statement that Matthew So-and-So's sexuality is a choice -- makes little sense. A quarter-billion same-sex-attracted people do not know you. I do not know you. And there is no agreement among sexual minorities on ANY topic, so why would there be agreement regarding the sexual choices of Matthew So-and-So? Personally, I'm confident that your sexual behavior is a choice. Everyone's behavior is a choice. If you're bisexual, then congratulations, you can choose to behave with either or both genders without lying to them -- or your family and friends -- about the attraction. I don't recall any prominent gay person ever suggesting that people surrender their will, authority, or self-determination to "science." Many people do suggest that ex-gays be sexually honest about their predominant state of attraction, and not claim falsely to be heterosexual when one's attractions are not primarily heterosexual. As for your last suggestion, it is with regret that I do not see the leaders of Exodus allowing people to live-and-let-live. The ex-gay political leadership's denial of self-determination to others is a key reason why the movement is so unpopular. Matthew, your request — that the entire gay population of the world unite in a global statement that Matthew So-and-So’s sexuality is a choice — makes little sense.

A quarter-billion same-sex-attracted people do not know you. I do not know you. And there is no agreement among sexual minorities on ANY topic, so why would there be agreement regarding the sexual choices of Matthew So-and-So?

Personally, I’m confident that your sexual behavior is a choice. Everyone’s behavior is a choice. If you’re bisexual, then congratulations, you can choose to behave with either or both genders without lying to them — or your family and friends — about the attraction.

I don’t recall any prominent gay person ever suggesting that people surrender their will, authority, or self-determination to “science.” Many people do suggest that ex-gays be sexually honest about their predominant state of attraction, and not claim falsely to be heterosexual when one’s attractions are not primarily heterosexual.

As for your last suggestion, it is with regret that I do not see the leaders of Exodus allowing people to live-and-let-live. The ex-gay political leadership’s denial of self-determination to others is a key reason why the movement is so unpopular.

]]> By: matthew http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/10/919/comment-page-1/#comment-11021 matthew Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:16:08 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=919#comment-11021 I think it would be a much more powerful stance for the LGBT community to say my sexuality is a choice and my choice and I have right to chose rather than to surrender our authority to science. This is precisely what Michel Focault advocated. It would perhaps begin to end a rather ludicrous debate. We will never know for sure what human nature is because if there is a human nature it will always be woven with what we call culture. Just be gay if you want to be. I think it would be a much more powerful stance for the LGBT community to say my sexuality is a choice and my choice and I have right to chose rather than to surrender our authority to science. This is precisely what Michel Focault advocated. It would perhaps begin to end a rather ludicrous debate. We will never know for sure what human nature is because if there is a human nature it will always be woven with what we call culture. Just be gay if you want to be.

]]> By: Bob Stith and Baptist Press Correct Erroneous Collins’ Quote | Ex-Gay Watch http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/10/919/comment-page-1/#comment-8088 Bob Stith and Baptist Press Correct Erroneous Collins’ Quote | Ex-Gay Watch Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:08:32 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=919#comment-8088 [...] some are unhappy that more was not done, one should not forget that this is progress. Those who have linked to the [...] [...] some are unhappy that more was not done, one should not forget that this is progress. Those who have linked to the [...]

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