While gay-affirming Americans rallied for the freedom to marry in 300 cities last week, ex-gay activist Michael Glatze vented some misplaced resentment and boasted that he was glad to be free of his past desire for sexual honesty and for individual freedom.
Glatze professes joy in his ex-gay freedom-from-freedom. Desensitized by the religious right to the traditional American patriotic appreciation of freedom, Glatze projects his desensitization onto others. And in the person of Sarah Palin — deficit-spending opponent of science, history, basic geography, and critical thinking — Glatze finds “a message of God and love.”
In an article for the far-right WorldNetDaily, Glatze writes:
As I watch 100,000 people pile together shouting, ‘Gay, Straight, Black, White: Marriage is a Civil Right,’ begging to be allowed by law to participate in a life of homosexual behavior, I am impressed by how desensitized we have come as a society.
When I get despondent and feel that the voice of life in our American culture is threatened by what seems to be an avalanche of desensitization and death, I remember Gov. Sarah Palin appearing out of nowhere with uncanny political and leadership skills and a message of God and love. And, I remember how violently I protested — like the 100,000 — for ‘my RIGHTS!’ to freely participate in homosexual activity without any reminder of a conscience only a few years ago.
“I had the intent, without doubt, to silence every last individual whose message might suggest my homosexual activity was anything less than entirely equal to heterosexuality. Anyone who so much as intimated that there could be a health-related, psychology-related or self-worth-related impact to homosexuality that did not exist with heterosexuality was, merely, a bigot who needed my ever-present vigilance to turn his or her backward mind to the “liberated” present.
Glatze redefines “God and love” in terms of one’s choice of mental vacancy and blindness to one’s own amorality. He lashes out at those who defend freedom, as if freedom were an undeserved privilege in a society that ought to be ruled by the iron hand of fundamentalists.
And sadly, he bears false witness against those who oppose real bigotry. Unable to defend his own baseless prejudices against sexual honesty and American freedom, Glatze redefines bigotry and then applies his strawman arguments about bigotry to those who oppose prejudice.
Glatze adds:
That is why these disgusting rallies make me inspired, more than ever, to speak the truth and offer my love and help to the many human beings trapped by flawed viewpoints and incomplete logics. Not because I want to win an argument — God knows, in today’s climate of groupthink, that’s hardly ever possible — but, because I do love every human being equally, and believe we all have the same potential. Some of us have more difficulty, for a myriad of reasons, rising to our fullest potential than others; but, we all have potential.
I believe every human being has the potential to rise out of their confusion, break out of the shackles of groupthink, stand up proud and free, and see things clearly. I believe this is the case, because it happened to me.
Glatze is a practitioner and advocate of the groupthink that he perceives in others. He does not quote a single gay-equality advocate among all his strawman arguments, and he says nothing that has not already been parroted a million times before by other anti-gay, anti-family, anti-faith, anti-freedom fanatics who never take the time to listen to their opponents.
Lost in his own political echo chamber, Glatze conveys a message of shallowness, insecurity, and disgust for others’ freedom.
Hat tip: Joe.My.God










Glatze says: “When I get despondent and feel that the voice of life in our American culture is threatened by what seems to be an avalanche of desensitization and death.”
It seems to me that he is still an unhappy person and that fundamentalism has not helped with his morose sadness and macabre fixation on death.
To be honest, I can’t remember the last time I felt despondent. I live a happy life and generally enjoy each day.
So, why would I want to join Glatze in his unrestrained misery and depression? He seems like a terrible spokesperson for his cause and determined to make people as miserable as he is – in the name of “love.”
If his hardcore religion has made him whole, complete and happy – he has an odd way of showing it.
sadly I was raised around this kinda of mind set as a youth, But thankfully I was able to break free and begin to live my own life and not the life that someone said I had to live to be loved. I find if funny that he says and I quote (I believe every human being has the potential to rise out of their confusion, break out of the shackles of group think, stand up proud and free, and see things clearly) But isn’t that what he is now living in, TOTAL GROUP THINK, he is trying to live a life that is not his but one that the christian right says you have to live to be loved by god. My advise to him is to take a look at the lives of the hypocrites he is now following and tell me WHO is living under group think and then look at the gay community and tell me who is living as an individual that loves life and thinks for themself.
Good to see my favorite person in the world, Wayne Besen, on this thread.
Happy to see people talking about these issues. :)
Michael Glatze
Michael,
I invite you to answer the following simple questions — and distribute the answers to your readers at WorldNetDaily:
1. Are you sexually attracted to most, some, few, or no women?
2. Are you romantically attracted to most, some, few, or no women?
3. Are you sexually attracted to most, some, few, or no men?
4. Are you romantically attracted to most, some, few, or no women?
5. Do you believe same-sex-attracted persons should be denied housing by landlords?
6. Do you believe same-sex-attracted persons should be denied jobs or fired?
7. Do you believe same-sex-attracted persons should be denied health care or denied insurance?
8. Do you believe federal, state, and local governments should withhold services from same-sex-attracted persons that are enjoyed by all other taxpayers?
9. Do you believe same-sex-attracted persons should be jailed or imprisoned under sodomy laws?
10. Do you believe same-sex-attracted persons should conceal their homosexual orientation from churches, family members, peers, or employers?
11. Do you believe that same-sex-attracted persons should practice lifelong celibacy intermixed with unsafe sex binges, or find a compatible and love-based monogamous life partnership, or pretend to have changed and marry someone of the opposite sex?
Answers to those questions would be far more informative and constructive than your false statements and hypocritical self-projections to WND.
Michael,
Thank you so much for giving me questions to answer. I would love to answer those for you, and will:
1. Are you sexually attracted to most, some, few, or no women?
I am sexually attracted – specifically – to a woman who I am seeing, right now.
2. Are you romantically attracted to most, some, few, or no women?
I am romantically interested in that same woman.
3. Are you sexually attracted to most, some, few, or no men?
I have close friends who are men, but am not sexually attracted to them.
4. Are you romantically attracted to most, some, few, or no women?
(Same answer as above.)
5. Do you believe same-sex-attracted persons should be denied housing by landlords?
No.
6. Do you believe same-sex-attracted persons should be denied jobs or fired?
No.
7. Do you believe same-sex-attracted persons should be denied health care or denied insurance?
No.
8. Do you believe federal, state, and local governments should withhold services from same-sex-attracted persons that are enjoyed by all other taxpayers?
It depends on what those services are. If those services are ones provided to married couples, I don’t think they should be provided to same-sex couples. If they are basic services that are provided to all people, I think they should – obviously – be provided to all people.
9. Do you believe same-sex-attracted persons should be jailed or imprisoned under sodomy laws?
I have spoken, in the past, about the possibility of making homosexuality illegal. I did not say I was, necessarily, an advocate of that. But, I did raise the point that a more stringent societal stance against homosexuality – on the grounds of its opposition to life – may encourage people to expand their view of sexuality beyond the “gay-straight” fixed binary view.
10. Do you believe same-sex-attracted persons should conceal their homosexual orientation from churches, family members, peers, or employers?
Well, I don’t believe anyone has a fixed “homosexual orientation.” I think, like Gore Vidal, that there are simply some people who choose to engage in homosexual activity — many, for their entire lives.
11. Do you believe that same-sex-attracted persons should practice lifelong celibacy intermixed with unsafe sex binges, or find a compatible and love-based monogamous life partnership, or pretend to have changed and marry someone of the opposite sex?
Well, since I know many people who *have* stopped homosexuality and had successful married, single, or chaste lives, I know that it’s possible to do that. So, I find your question somewhat innacurate and biased.
Hope that helps!! :)
Michael Glatze
So, Mike Glatze,
Homosexual behavior is in opposition to life? So are you going to bi*ch out all those people who have straight sex if they don’t plan on having children?
By the way, yes, homosexuals do choose to engage in homosexual sex but the homosexual feelings they do not choose. Then again, heterosexuals choose to engage in heterosexual sex but the feelings they have, they did not choose, either.
I am in a relationship with another guy and have been so for many years and I love him, probably as much as you say you love your wife. Why do I need to be unhappy?
And by the way, I don’t believe that all gays can change to straight. If indeed some can, not all of them can. You mention “success” but you fail to mention how many people have not succeeded and ended up worse off. Why is that?
Also, Glatze,
How do you explain your position in that mostly all respected mental health professionals contradict your claims?
I know what you’re gonna say, “Oh they have been taken over by gay activists”. The ones against homosexuality are a sizeable margin over the ones that are affirming of it. There is no way that a professional organization is going to side with a small number of people unless they have evidence to back it up.
Despite all the people who are against homosexuality (versus those affirming it), and in the face of societal, public, and religious pressure that thinks homosexuality is wrong, and PLUS being a professional organization, the mental health community is going to side with the small number of people that disagrees with them all?
“Taken over”, just admit you’re wrong and the information you have is unreliable, false, and dangerous to anyone with an impressionable mind who will fall victim to it.
Glatze says that he is “sexually attracted – specifically – to a woman who I am seeing, right now” and that he is “romantically interested in that same woman.”
Congratulations Mike! You have created an entire new sexual orientation out of thin air – the Uni-sexual. That is a person that has attraction to only one person and is not attracted to anyone else – male or female – in the entire species. That is utterly an amazing feat, considering there are billions of people on earth.
Actually, I think Alan Chambers of Exodus is also Uni-sexual. So, now there are two of you. You are truly an amazing human being and ought to offer yourself to science so they can study the new phenomenon of the Uni-Sexual.
Or, there is the other possibility. You are a recloseted homosexual who may be using a woman to get right with your twisted version of God.
But, I guess you can only answer that question.
“I have spoken, in the past, about the possibility of making homosexuality illegal. I did not say I was, necessarily, an advocate of that.”
That’s a lie – he said WORSE than this, in an email he sent me a few months ago. Let’s just say it has something to do with “execution”, and “you better hope I don’t get any power”.
Please stop giving Michael “Bugsy” Glatze attention, and stop asking him questions. If he were not a lunatic, then it would be a different story.
Scott,
I think that you should file a report if Mr. Glatze is threatening you like that. He has no right to do that at all. Granted, they may be empty threats because he’s out of ammo and he cannot spark a fight any other way, but he still has no right to do that.
Maybe it would also let him know that we’re not kidding.
Hey… just checking this thread. But, I most certainly didn’t send an e-mail to that gentleman threatening “execution.” That’s ridiculous.
James,
This happened back when Glatze first made “ex-gay” news, a few months ago. I didn’t consider it a personal threat so much as I did a threat to the entire GLBT community. And it doesn’t surprise me, because one of the most common “ex-gay” solutions to “their gay problem” is execution/extermination of ALL gay people.
Michael doesn’t scare me one bit, so he can threaten all he wants. He’s certainly not physically threatening, because I know I could easily grab him by the ankles, and beat him against a tree like the dirty rug he is. Which would probably do him some good, anyway; the weirdo needs some sense knocked into that cartoon character brain of his.
“Hey… just checking this thread. But, I most certainly didn’t send an e-mail to that gentleman threatening “execution.” That’ ridiculous.”
I won’t address you no further than this…..
Uh, yes you did. You were obviously high on something, because the email went on for days, and with lots of smarmy smiley face emoticons to boot.
You most certainly threatened “execution” if you “got any power”, whatever the f**k THAT’S supposed to mean.
Ask James Hartline to borrow some of that “power”. Apparently he’s Jesus Christ, himself.
I don’t think it’s fair to TWO readers for there to be bickering over the content of a private e-mail that they can’t see.
If Michael G. and Scott can’t mutually agree to disclose the full text of the e-mail message here, then I see no point in discussing it.
Ugh.
Scott,
Do not worry, I believe that you are telling the truth about that email. I believe you because I do not believe anything that comes out of the mouth of so called “ex-gays” or anyone who perpetuates the “ex-gay” fraud.
I’v been through “reparative therapy” and spent thousands of dollars on it, and I did not change. I was not very surprised to learn that the vast majority of gays who went through “reparative therapy” also had that happen to them.
The “ex-gay” ministries reveal a list of “ex-gays” but they fail to mention that many of them have had their true self come out afterwards and accept themselves as gay and demand their names be taken off the list, but the ministries refuse.
Besides, compare the numbers to gays who have went into reparative therapy (which the ministries do not give) with the ones who claim success and you’ll see the truth — “reparative therapy” does NOT work!
Michael Glatze,
I pray that someday you find the courage to accept yourself for who you are. I hope that you abandon all negtive teachings you have been taught. God DOES accept you for who you are!
I pray for the ones who victimized you Glatze, the ones who spoke negativity and untruth to you to make you think that you must be someone you’re not to gain God’s grace.
Michael,
Sorry about that, but I felt I had to step in and interject what happened a few months ago – in the case that MG is trying to make a “comeback” as some cordial and sane person.
No, I do not have that email anymore, as it was sent summer/fall of 2007, and have since deleted all emails THAT old. It would have been nice if I hanged onto it, but I didn’t.
Thanks James!! I appreciate your trust, and I promise I’m not bullshitting anyone.
MG might not even remember it himself, because my eyes told me that it was the writing of somebody who was high, drunk, or going through some kind of mania.
But enough of that, I agree with you that it’s impossible to trust a single word of any known “ex-gay”. Look no further than Alan Chambers being contradicted over and over on the Montel show (watch it on YouTube).
And look no further than the desperate cries of Stephen Bennett, asking people to pay his mortgage so he can continue spreading lies about gay people.
I’m surprised that many more people aren’t touring and selling themselves as “ex-gay”. To me, it’s all about getting attention, book deals, having your name printed at WorldNutDaily, being part of the talkshow circus, and having followers who will pay your bills.
“Is it more probable that nature goes out of her course, or that a man tells a lie? We have never seen, in our time, nature go out of her course; but we have good reason to believe millions of lies have been told in the same time; it is, therefore, at least millions to one, that the reporter of a miracle tells a lie.” (Thomas Paine)
I have no way of testing your miraculous conversion from gay to straight, and care even less Mr Glatze. But I do care that you keep your “love’ and ludicrous religion out of my way. Here’ why the obscene plebiscites in 4 American states, to oppress one tiny group of people, should not count, even if 99% had such a skewed version of reality as you: what medical, psychological or other scientific qualifications do you have, to talk about sexuality, and the workings of the human mind? This is crucial, since all relevant professional associations regard such opinions as yours to be off-the-scale whacko nonsense. Moreover they cite fanatics like you as the cause of the psychological problems and lack of self-worth that too many LGBT people experience. More importantly, who is harmed by those relationships? You failed to give any evidence to support your claims whatsoever — and by that I mean peer reviewed scientific journals.
The only premise for your “rationale’, is the impossibly grandiose, ludicrous claim, that you know the mind of “god’, and ‘his’ plan for everybody. I want you to tell us, how he knows this information, and what his sources are. This is the kind of certainty we don’t need, thanks. It’ the same claim made by murder squads who blow up mosques and throw acid into the faces of unveiled Afghan schoolgirls; by Hindu terrorist cells, and the Jewish illegal occupiers of the West Bank.
That should be the end of the argument. But many of us are bloody well sick and tired of social failures who blame others because they aren’t man enough to face responsibilities for the mess they make of their own lives. Alas therefore, Wellington boots on, and into the swamp of BS we go…
The hypothesis that sexual orientation could be the cause of your woes falls at the first stand. After all, a huge number of gay people have found real love and happiness, are perfectly stable, live fulfilled lives, and make their contribution to society — without “stomach cramps’, for that matter. Furthermore, the many shortcomings you described in the past – insecurity, immaturity, selfishness, total lack of self-control, lust, are universal.
No-one forced you into the shallow, aimless existence you purportedly had and now regret, after all. If you failed to find happiness – you made those choices. Perhaps a more plausible cause for your woes is your self-obsessed pathetic self?
And like every born again who won’t take responsibilities for their actions, you’ll do your damndest to force everyone down your sorry path, seeking to deny, destroy and demonize the love that gives such meaning and joy in life to so many. The outpouring of anger at which you sneer is a moral necessity.
The gay community is an easy, socially acceptable scapegoat for your failures. You can exploit the irrational fears and prejudices of an uneducated, credulous audience to lap up your dull, repetitive Elmer-Gantry diatribes. Just like in the film, all that’ needed now is a pretty wife and a ministry, and you can make a shabby trade out of ruining young minds. Why not team up with Ted Haggard and have done with it?
Glatze’ ignorance of science, whether social or natural, is astonishing. Like the Nazi’ in their time, he measures the worth of individuals on their ability to pass on DNA. How ironically “Darwinist’. Yet with spiraling world population growth, it is clearly unnecessary for everyone to produce new offspring. Paying taxes, creating wealth, being good neighbors, innovations, art…. these are the things that make society tick, in the civilized world at least.
“And, you are abusing the natural function of your sexual organs by putting them in places they were not meant to go — somewhat like walking on your hands.” Since homosexuality, like all sexuality, is a product of brains that have evolved by natural selection over millions of years and is common in hundreds of other animal species, homosexuality and the lust that goes with it is very natural indeed. Sex is fun — we’ve evolved to enjoy it.
As for putting sexual organs where they are “not meant to go’: “meant” by whom? Is all sex to be restricted to the missionary position, now? Glatze shows a similar reasoning of a child who says that clouds are “for’ raining, flowers are “for’ pretty gardens. Since there is no evidence of design in nature, least of all that we “were designed in His image’ — purpose lies within us, and us alone. Why do we bother with all our research into the origins of life — behold, here is someone on “World Net Daily” with no known scientific qualifications, but with all the answers.
As for knowing the mind of god, with which Glatze claims intimacy – if his search for “truth’ is objective, he will be amazed, perhaps relieved, to know that Science has identified a space of the human brain’ circuitry in which hyperactivity leads to voice simulation. When someone thinks god’ talking, it may be safer to consider falsifiable, natural explanations first — a history of substance abuse, or childhood indoctrination, a mortal fear of death because of severe personal traumas for example?
A final question to Glatze: why, in spite of all the evidence, do you put trust in a series of books, written about 2000 years before Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein, by primitive camel herders who thought the earth was flat?
You say sexuality is fluid — well the good news is that the Road to Damascus is a two-way street also. And it’ pleasing to see people — especially young people – walking away from organized religion in their droves. And the very reason they do so is the incoherent, intolerant, vindictive poison that people like you pump out.
Those statistics make your Talibanized vision for America thankfully unlikely. It’ no surprise that societies where people are free from religious bullying and oppression — the virtually atheist ones of Northern Europe (where gays marry and serve in the military for instance), are those with the lowest crime, best healthcare, and lowest rates of sexually transmitted diseases — and the happiest communities. Needless to say, it’ my hope you come to your senses, and free yourself from this nonsense too. Even Mother Theresa could not believe it in the end.
Former fundamentalists Dan Barker of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, and evolutionary biologist Michael Schermer of the Skeptics Society managed to do just that. Both have done many excellent books on reason, logic and critical thinking and I suggest you check them out, open your mind up for once, and learn *how*, rather than what to think. Believe whatever nonsense you like — but in the words of a great bumper sticker: “Focus On Your Own Damn Family.’ Just keep your nose out of ours.
HIGH FIVE Adrian T!!
:)
“And, you are abusing the natural function of your sexual organs by putting them in places they were not meant to go — somewhat like walking on your hands.”
So wait a minute Glatze, are you saying that if we wear earings or wear contact lenses, we’re homosexual? I mean, your eye was never made to have anything put into it, and your ear was never meant to bear jewelry. So I guess you should go bi*ch out everyone who wears contacts or earings because they are “abusing” parts of their body by using them for purposes not intended?
Yeah, Glatze, Focus on your own damn family!
It’s fun to read everybody’s views.
Mr. Adrian T wrote a very solid piece of writing; I’m very impressed. Lots of fascinating points!
One quote stood out, for me, personally:
“A final question to Glatze: why, in spite of all the evidence, do you put trust in a series of books, written about 2000 years before Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein, by primitive camel herders who thought the earth was flat?”
I think this is probably where we differ. I don’t put trust in anything, except my heart. I speak from my heart. I tell the truth – from my heart. And, because of that, I’m not really afraid of all your logic. :)
Thanks! :)
Michael
Oh, and I especially liked this part of your Thomas Paine quote:
“We have never seen, in our time, nature go out of her course.”
Hmmmm.
Wow.
This is really telling:
“I don’t put trust in anything, except my heart. I speak from my heart. I tell the truth – from my heart. And, because of that, I’m not really afraid of all your logic. :)”
Basically you’re saying you have no use for facts, science, reality, medicine, psychology, really, that none of those grown-up things really affect you, because you have the base instincts of your misguided and brand-new interpretation of religion.
Newsflash — the Apostle Paul taught people to have faith like children, but he specifically distinguished between that and thinking like a child, and you, sir, think like a child.
Micahel Glatze,
Following on from the extract from Thomas Paine, here is an extract from a letter which the eminent Victorian historian Lord Acton wrote to Frederic W.H. Myers:
“[I]f your scientific conclusion is that though the world is full of supernatural stories, when you examine all those of which the evidence can really be tested, so and so many break down, and a very small percentage survives, then the value of human testimony in such matters is very much impaired…. Especially if you find that nearly all break down, and if not all, yet so many that an overwhelming presumption arises against the insoluble remainder.”
Replace the word “supernatural” above with “ex-gay”, and I think that you have a very fair summary of the strength of the evidence for the efficacy of attempts to change sexual orientation. Acton does indeed stipulate “if” in his letter, but whatever one’ verdict may be on the evidence for the supernatural in general, I think it can fairly be said that the “if” stage in the matter of the ex-gay phenomenon has certainly come and gone.
“Basically you’re saying you have no use for facts, science, reality, medicine, psychology, really, that none of those grown-up things really affect you”
Guys, don’t pay much more attention to Glatze – the situation is really like David B (I won’t spell his last name, he’ll show up here LOL!).
This is somebody who’s ultimately pissed off at the gay community because they didn’t buy into his softcore wannabe-gay kiddie porn magazine back in the day. He never became as big as XY, Advocate and Out, and so he’s now hanging with people who WILL treat him as somewhat of a bottom-of-the-barrel “celebrity”.
Please read his letters printed at Good As You and other GLBT blogs from 2007, and you’ll find this is not a person worth your time. That crystal meth done fried his brains out, and you’re better off having a mature conversation with a rock.
And BTW, if you can find copies of Glatze’s old magazine, you’ll see that this was a person who certainly wasn’t openly gay – but conflicted and confused from the get-go.
His “ex-gay transformation” wasn’t much of a transformation, when his readers weren’t sure if he was actually gay back then.
:)
Let me know if you all have any question for me, based in a spirit of kindness. If so, I am happy to answer them.
So far, all I see is a lot of slander and lies, not to mention projection and conjecture.
Thanks.
Michael
“He never became as big as XY, Advocate and Out, and so he’ now hanging with people who WILL treat him as somewhat of a bottom-of-the-barrel ‘celebrity’.”
Haha, Kirk Cameron has followed a similar path, albeit on a much higher level, and when I say “much higher level,” I’m obviously speaking in very relative terms.
“Child actors don’t translate well into serious adult actors.”
“Not if you become a fundamentalist! The artistic standards are VERY LOW!”
He STILL must be on the dope if he believes his own writing is “projection”. LOL
Evan, I never cared for that show Kirk Cameron was on, back in the 80′s (Family Ties?). He’s even more ridiculous now, judging from that video where he’s watching the guy obsess over a banana. He was about to burst out laughing, so I’m not even for sure if he believes the crap he preaches LOL
“Let me know if you all have any question for me, based in a spirit of kindness. If so, I am happy to answer them”
So Mr. Glatze, you’re going to answer questions for us? Are the answers going to be based on the same BS as any of the discredited pseudo-science sources?
Let’s see, the following organizations say you are wrong:
American Psychological Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Counseling Association
American Medical Association
American Academy of Pediatrics
National Association of Social Workers
So pretty much, anything you say is going to be wrong, why would anyone want to ask you questions?
Oh and don’t say, “Oh those organizations have been taken over by activism.” Because that is impossible. You are saying that a minority that comprises of gays and their supporters is going to out-compete the VAST majority of people who disagree with them?
There is NO WAY that ALL those professional organizations are going to side with a minority over a majority UNLESS there is evidence to back it up.
With how vast in numbers opponents of homosexuality are, you would think that it would be the opposite! If the professionals based their decision about homosexuality on activism, then homosexuality would still be considered a mental disorder because of how greatly opponents of homosexuality out-number homosexuals and their affirmers.
The only 2 types of “ex-gays” is ones who are still gay, but think they have turned straight, and the other type are ones that were always straight, but believe they were gay for a time (maybe due to molestation, coercion, etc).
There is no one who has changed from completely gay, to completely straight.
So if someone does not want lies, then it would be unwise of them to ask Mr. Glatze ANY questions about this matter.
Thank you James!
There’s really no point in asking any known “ex-gay” a question, because they’re going to give you some answer based on what they believe – not what is real.
I hope I never have to ask them for directions! I’d be wanting to go to Best Buy in town, and they’d direct me to BFE.
“Let me know if you all have any question for me, based in a spirit of kindness.”
Glatze’s article in Weird Nut Daily is titled, “My Disgust With the Gay Marches.” Hmmm, doesn’t sound like the “spirit of kindness.” It seems to self-loathing hypocrites like Glatze, kindness is a one way street.
Hi. I am patient.
I would like to impress upon you the fact that I do not have homosexual desires, and – in fact – am involved with a woman, to whom I am very attracted, and with whom I have wonderful chemistry and a nice friendship, as well. Also, she knows about everything that I’ve been through, all of the different topics that have come up around these issues, and is able to see beyond judgment to something true and real.
Yes, it can be done. Yes, it is possible. You all know, as much as I do, how sometimes gay people like to suggest that straight people are merely in the closet, or could “try it out.” Going in the ‘other’ direction is no different. And, to think that it should be is part of the brain-freeze that you (and I, at many points throughout my life) are in. That same brain-freeze prevents you from possibly seeing me as a human being, just like you, who is reaching out to offer help and friendship. You can only see “me” through the clouds of your many judgments and accusations.
I spent a long time examining reality from an empirical view, through successful study in high school, and in a reputable university. I studied both Queer Theory and Feminist Theory, and once thought that Christians who discounted Darwinism were idiots. But, after I began to feel like crap for imagining myself as better than someone, I was forced – humbled – to look deeper at everything I held so dear.
There is more to life than facts and figures.
I have to admit, it is hard for me to be here … which is part of why I’m still writing to you all. It is hard to stand amidst a group that doesn’t want you. It is hard, because we all want to belong.
“I studied both Queer Theory and Feminist Theory, and once thought that Christians who discounted Darwinism were idiots.”
Not necessarily idiots, but grossly uneducated and/or brainwashed.
There may be more to life than facts and figures, but the testimony of “I don’t have gay desires anymore” from a so-called “ex-gay” isn’t worth much, considering the science, the evidence, and the track record of people on the payroll of so-called “ex-gay” businesses.
“Also, she knows about everything that I’ve been through, all of the different topics that have come up around these issues, and is able to see beyond judgment to something true and real.”
Poor woman.
“You all know, as much as I do, how sometimes gay people like to suggest that straight people are merely in the closet, or could “try it out.”"
No, I don’t know.
If EVERYONE was gay, it would get pretty boring. I for one believe the “queer eye” guys should be taken out and shot, for pushing the whole “metrosexual” thing. I was rooting for Mr. Garrison when he was out to kill them in a ‘South Park’ episode.
There’s some straight guys who are hot, but you have to force the majority to take a shower, change underwear and socks every day, and they believe they’re “the decider” when it comes to decision-making. Who the hell wants THAT? Most hetero men are gross and flatter themselves way too much.
“You all know, as much as I do, how sometimes gay people like to suggest that straight people are merely in the closet, or could “try it out.”
No I do not know. You know, just because straight peoplewon’t accept me as gay does not mean that I’m going to not accept people as straight.
I don’t “recruit” straight people, sorry Mike, you’re wrong.
“…….reaching out to offer help and friendship.”
If anyone wants to be friends with Michael Glatze, you at least have the right to know what PROFESSIONALS think.
If Mr. Glatze is indeed straight, he was always. Maybe something happened to him where he believed he was gay and those feelings have been eliminated by “reparative” therapy (reparative therapists only suppress homosexual desires after all).
Reparative therapists seem to be concerned about “homosexual behavior”. It’s all about “not acting out in homosexual behavior”. The thing is, to most homosexuals, homosexuality is MUCH more than just sex (contrary to what is believed by opponents of homosexuality).
Wow, the feeling of love and sense of compassion I get when I hug my boyfriend (that I have been with for 4 years) is REALLY worth less to me than sex! In fact, I haven’t even HAD sex with him in over 7 months. It’s not important in our relationship.
So because of THAT, I KNOW homosexuality is much more than behavior and is about an innate need to love and be loved by a member of the same sex.
Everyone is different. There is no reason why Mr. Glatze has to use his discredited information here.
Eventually, homosexuality WILL be accepted, there is no escaping that. Then Mr. Glatze can go home to his wife and all his little “ex gay” friends because they’ll be the only ones who believe his lies from his fantasy world!
“I think this is probably where we differ. I don’t put trust in anything, except my heart. I speak from my heart. I tell the truth – from my heart. And, because of that, I’m not really afraid of all your logic.”
That is not an acceptable answer. What are the sources of your information? How do you know you are telling the truth? Until we can get answers to those questions, then there can be nothing to discuss.
By the way, blind faith is not just another way of knowing things. The difference is, the knowledge we have thanks to science is based on facts. It is testable, it explains, it meets predictions. Its starting point is doubt. ‘Truth’, for you, is nothing more than what you want it to be.
And what is there to be ‘afraid’ of? The strong probability of being wrong, perhaps, after investing so much time and effort in your new beliefs?
How ironic that you should make the above quote at the very same time that a group of Islamic fanatics were about to slaughter hundreds of people in Bombay. They thought in exactly the same way, and believed passionately, despite all the logic and evidence, in ‘their truth’. (in that case, of being rewarded with 72 virgins for their version of ‘jihad’). And everyone who won’t submit to their belief can go to hell. Admittedly, you merely write venomous articles rather than blowing people to smithereens, but your way of thinking is exactly the same.
Why are the Bombay terrorists, and thousands like them wrong about what they believe from the heart, and yet you are right? It’s a serious question that needs an answer.
PS On ‘Darwinism’ (a silly word used – abused – by the likes of the ridiculous Ann Coulter; Evolution isn’t really Darwin’s theory anymore) it is alarming how all those who want to get the non-science of Intelligent Design taught in schools, are virtually all the same people that support ex-gay pseudoscience, or worse. ‘Creationism’s Trojan Horse’ by Barbara Forrest has a small part on the funding the Discovery Institute, which includes extremist dominionist donors.
It’s been a while since I checked on this fun thread. “adrianT” poses a captivating question, “Why are the Bombay terrorists, and thousands like them wrong about what they believe from the heart, and yet you are right?”
I am right because I’m not killing anybody.
:)
Neither am I.
True Michael, you are not killing anybody.
You are only demonizing gays and lesbians contributing to fostering a climate where the aren’t considered human beings and then letting others do the dirty work of killing them – literally.
Great to see you back Dearest Michael. Of course, astrologers, alchemists, tarot readers, druids, crystal healers, wiccans, homeopaths, mediums, water diviners and any number of eccentric personalities featured on James Randi’s website aren’t killing anybody. But that doesn’t make them right!
I cannot say you are wrong admittedly, but I can say I have no reason to believe you are right. You claim to have better information about the workings of the human mind with respect to sexuality, than all the professional organisations in the Western world — in itself a huge claim. But this is not nearly as arrogant as saying you know a divine entity exists, and furthermore, you have such an intimate relationship with it, you know its opinion on my sleeping arrangements. I don’t think you can know such information.
(Note to students: When, after class, someone passes round silly blue cards with messages like ‘It’s time we had a conversation about homosexuality’ on them — go for it. The ludicrious premise above is the necessary starting point for such a conversation. Let them go no further till they provide a satisfactory answer.)
You yourself may not be killing anybody, but it is worth asking, whether you are causing harm. Your words might well add to the sum total of hatred. An inflammatory article might well motivate some already unstable character to take his gun and blast away indiscriminately at the congregation of a Unitarian “fag-church” in Tennessee (oops, that already happened….).
If you are terrorized in the first place with notions of ‘hell’ (as so hideously depicted in the link below), yes, it might make people try to kill themselves if they feel they don’t, or can’t meet the Nazarene’ standard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkuXdTKUtIM&feature=PlayList&p=CBE0631E75DD8749&index=2
xxx A
wasup folks. ‘Thought I’d check in and see if you still want to run around saying homosexuality’s not a sin? Anybody?
- Michael Glatze
Homosexuality is not a sin, Michael. However indecision and the inability to accept yourself as you are should be.
Alvin,
Michael’s just lonely.
“Thought I’d check in and see if anyone would like to run around in circles with me, discussing my favorite obsession. Anybody? Got any good sex gossip? Anybody?”
THAT’S what he meant to say.
wow, he MUST be lonely. That’s the most blatant case of “obvious troll is obvious” I’ve ever seen on this site. Why would he pick us instead of, say, FoxNews.com or randythomas.com? Weird. Maybe he’s not the real guy.
If it’s really him commenting, Michael G’s sin is in obsessing over sexuality and turning it into an idol.
Oh my God… you all are so smart; it’s incredible. Wow.
MG
Michael/MG, if you are Michael Glatze, you have yet to refute most of the criticisms of your propaganda. It appears that your critics are substantially correct.
You appear to be either tolerant or supportive of sodomy laws which strive to throw all sexually active same-sex-attracted persons in prison — and if they’re in prison, then conveniently, they don’t need jobs or housing.
You falsely equate behavior with orientation (“homosexuality” is not equivalent to same-sex sexual behavior), and you make the incredible claim that everyone in the world is as sexually fluid as you — bisexual, in other words.
Then you switch gears and claim to find no one sexually attractive except for one woman — which suggests that you now suffer from a serious disorder in your sex drive.
Which is it — are you bisexual, or asexual?
Your egocentrism, your strawman arguments, and your lack of respect for the freedom and honesty of others all reflect poorly on your character, your values, and your claim to be Christian.