Comments on: The Rick Warren Whirlwind http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/12/1406/ TruthWinsOut.org is a non-profit organization that counters right wing propaganda, exposes the “ex-gay” myth and educates America about gay life. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:03:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Dffcbifj http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/12/1406/comment-page-1/#comment-12223 Dffcbifj Fri, 08 May 2009 08:55:45 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/the-rick-warren-whirlwind/#comment-12223 QwRz5N comment3 , QwRz5N comment3 ,

]]> By: John Bisceglia http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/12/1406/comment-page-1/#comment-9019 John Bisceglia Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:18:58 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/the-rick-warren-whirlwind/#comment-9019 Inviting Rick Warren to speak at the Presidential inauguration is tantamount to inviting O.J. Simpson to speak at a women's shelter. Evan Wolfson guesstimates we will have Federal Marriage Equality in about 30 years (which would almost certainly require equality in employment and the military also). So we need to either EMBRACE the fact that most of us over 40 will NOT see Full Federal Equality in our lifetime and remain "patient" as our civil rights crawl to the finish line. - OR - We could begin to TREAT the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT as it treats US. Two American Myths: * Equal Protection Under the Law (except for gays) * Separation of Church & State (except when the law applies to gays or a woman's womb) When Obama invited this "christian" to his speak at his inauguration, he invited a man who believes the Q-community are INFERIOR; "less than". Being asked to "respect other's opinions" doesn't fly when those "opinions" are harmful lies about an entire segment of the population. Those "opinions" are tantamount to the extremely offensive beliefs and ideas our country once had about "negros" and "wives", words and ideas that would NEVER FLY TODAY at an inauguration. Words and ideas that would incite riots today. If you have HAD ENOUGH - The National Equality Tax Protest will be on Wednesday, April 15, 2009. NO TAXATION UNTIL EQUAL - It's only fair. Inviting Rick Warren to speak at the Presidential inauguration is tantamount to inviting O.J. Simpson to speak at a women’s shelter.

Evan Wolfson guesstimates we will have Federal Marriage Equality in about 30 years (which would almost certainly require equality in employment and the military also). So we need to either EMBRACE the fact that most of us over 40 will NOT see Full Federal Equality in our lifetime and remain “patient” as our civil rights crawl to the finish line. – OR – We could begin to TREAT the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT as it treats US.

Two American Myths:

* Equal Protection Under the Law (except for gays)
* Separation of Church & State (except when the law applies to gays or a woman’s womb)

When Obama invited this “christian” to his speak at his inauguration, he invited a man who believes the Q-community are INFERIOR; “less than”. Being asked to “respect other’s opinions” doesn’t fly when those “opinions” are harmful lies about an entire segment of the population. Those “opinions” are tantamount to the extremely offensive beliefs and ideas our country once had about “negros” and “wives”, words and ideas that would NEVER FLY TODAY at an inauguration. Words and ideas that would incite riots today.

If you have HAD ENOUGH – The National Equality Tax Protest will be on Wednesday, April 15, 2009. NO TAXATION UNTIL EQUAL – It’s only fair.

]]> By: Evan http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/12/1406/comment-page-1/#comment-9018 Evan Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:43:43 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/the-rick-warren-whirlwind/#comment-9018 I'm really wondering...and don't get me wrong, I detest Rick Warren, and I'm pissed off that he's going to be there...but I'm starting to wonder if some people are getting a little TOO pissed off. What's his name Cloud wrote in Time that Obama is a "bigot" the other day and I just kind of stopped in my tracks and went, "Seriously?" Because I really don't see the case for that. Yes, the McClurkin thing was a mess, and it might be annoying that qualified gay people were passed over in the cabinet, but come on: He's not even president yet. Let's, as you say in the post, see what Obama DOES in office. I think we may be so accustomed to the BS of the last 8 years that we might be a little too trigger-happy in assuming that we're being "thrown under the bus." Yes, there was the McClurkin thing, and yes, this Warren thing, but let's also remember that Barack Obama was the candidate who wasn't afraid to mention the gay community by name in front of the Ebenezer Baptist folks, and whose wife showed up impromptu at the gay and lesbian whatever caucus in Denver and gave an absolutely impassioned speech. I haven't seen enough from Obama to write him off as having "thrown us under the bus." So, let's see what he does when the inauguration is actually over and the presidency has actually begun. I’m really wondering…and don’t get me wrong, I detest Rick Warren, and I’m pissed off that he’s going to be there…but I’m starting to wonder if some people are getting a little TOO pissed off.

What’s his name Cloud wrote in Time that Obama is a “bigot” the other day and I just kind of stopped in my tracks and went, “Seriously?”

Because I really don’t see the case for that. Yes, the McClurkin thing was a mess, and it might be annoying that qualified gay people were passed over in the cabinet, but come on: He’s not even president yet. Let’s, as you say in the post, see what Obama DOES in office. I think we may be so accustomed to the BS of the last 8 years that we might be a little too trigger-happy in assuming that we’re being “thrown under the bus.” Yes, there was the McClurkin thing, and yes, this Warren thing, but let’s also remember that Barack Obama was the candidate who wasn’t afraid to mention the gay community by name in front of the Ebenezer Baptist folks, and whose wife showed up impromptu at the gay and lesbian whatever caucus in Denver and gave an absolutely impassioned speech.

I haven’t seen enough from Obama to write him off as having “thrown us under the bus.” So, let’s see what he does when the inauguration is actually over and the presidency has actually begun.

]]> By: deborah http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/12/1406/comment-page-1/#comment-9017 deborah Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:58:50 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/the-rick-warren-whirlwind/#comment-9017 It is quite obvious that all Americans have suffered from having a fundamentalist administration for the last eight years. I wonder if Obama realizes that this is not just an issue for the gay community. To be honest, my concern lies not only in the issue of Warren, but other issues that Obama seems to be sliding on. I have not heard him stand up for the taxpayers on the Wall Street bailout, which appears to have just given more money to the rich. If I have been hearing correctly he will not change Bush tax policy immediately, which means not taxing upper income as he promised. Growing up in the 60s and being somewhat paranoid, I can only pray that the establishment hasn't duped us again and it will be politics as usual. I am not seeing a whole lot of change here. It is quite obvious that all Americans have suffered from having a fundamentalist administration for the last eight years. I wonder if Obama realizes that this is not just an issue for the gay community.
To be honest, my concern lies not only in the issue of Warren, but other issues that Obama seems to be sliding on.
I have not heard him stand up for the taxpayers on the Wall Street bailout, which appears to have just given more money to the rich. If I have been hearing correctly he will not change Bush tax policy immediately, which means not taxing upper income as he promised.
Growing up in the 60s and being somewhat paranoid, I can only pray that the establishment hasn’t duped us again and it will be politics as usual. I am not seeing a whole lot of change here.

]]> By: Buffy http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/12/1406/comment-page-1/#comment-9016 Buffy Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:54:52 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/the-rick-warren-whirlwind/#comment-9016 I'm afraid my wife and I lost trust in Obama and any support he might provide for the LGBT community more than a year ago. We're firmly in the "alternative storyline " camp. McClurkin, Caldwell, Warren, no gay cabinet members, constant broken promises... How many times does he have to throw us under the bus before we all say "Enough!". I’m afraid my wife and I lost trust in Obama and any support he might provide for the LGBT community more than a year ago. We’re firmly in the “alternative storyline ” camp. McClurkin, Caldwell, Warren, no gay cabinet members, constant broken promises… How many times does he have to throw us under the bus before we all say “Enough!”.

]]> By: Scott http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/12/1406/comment-page-1/#comment-9015 Scott Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:55:36 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/the-rick-warren-whirlwind/#comment-9015 Although the thought, sight and sound of Rick Warren makes my skin crawl, I do think it's a good thing he's getting all this attention lately. Why? Because each time the camera and mic is turned towards him, he takes another crazy step forward and says something even more psychotic than the time before. Calling him a "loose cannon" is barely scraping the surface. With Obama's help, Rick Warren is chasing off EVEN MORE people from the church, which in turn will create more agnostics, Atheists and anti-"christians". Hey, the way I look at it - more players for my team! Although the thought, sight and sound of Rick Warren makes my skin crawl, I do think it’s a good thing he’s getting all this attention lately.

Why? Because each time the camera and mic is turned towards him, he takes another crazy step forward and says something even more psychotic than the time before. Calling him a “loose cannon” is barely scraping the surface.

With Obama’s help, Rick Warren is chasing off EVEN MORE people from the church, which in turn will create more agnostics, Atheists and anti-”christians”. Hey, the way I look at it – more players for my team!

]]> By: DavidW http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/12/1406/comment-page-1/#comment-9013 DavidW Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:45:48 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/the-rick-warren-whirlwind/#comment-9013 Bingo, my thoughts exactly. Ever noticed how balanced well organized writings come out in 5 sentence paragraphs? Thanks for the insights Wayne. I had the same thoughts when this situtation came down, that there is a silver lining waiting to be tracked. I still think it hurts in present time but if nothing else, exposure to Rick Warren's fanaticism will do more good for the world in general regarding right wing religious persecution, and what it really means to humanity's emotional health, than not. I will hold a positive thought around this O'bama/Warren angle and hope it unfolds for the better. Bingo, my thoughts exactly. Ever noticed how balanced well organized writings come out in 5 sentence paragraphs? Thanks for the insights Wayne. I had the same thoughts when this situtation came down, that there is a silver lining waiting to be tracked. I still think it hurts in present time but if nothing else, exposure to Rick Warren’s fanaticism will do more good for the world in general regarding right wing religious persecution, and what it really means to humanity’s emotional health, than not. I will hold a positive thought around this O’bama/Warren angle and hope it unfolds for the better.

]]> By: Bill DeMuth http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/12/1406/comment-page-1/#comment-9012 Bill DeMuth Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:42:19 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/the-rick-warren-whirlwind/#comment-9012 Excellent post, especially the part about the 'great gay exception'. My FB post tried to make the same point - A racist, ala David Duke, would never have been invited to the inauguration, for obvious and good reasons. The fact that people won't see gay rights and the right to marry as being morally equivalent to all other struggles for civil rights is shameful. We have a long way to go. But, as one commenter on a CNN article on the subject said, paraphrasing 'if you want to score some political points, go kick a gay'. Things haven't changed that much since the bully days on the school playground. Excellent post, especially the part about the ‘great gay exception’. My FB post tried to make the same point – A racist, ala David Duke, would never have been invited to the inauguration, for obvious and good reasons. The fact that people won’t see gay rights and the right to marry as being morally equivalent to all other struggles for civil rights is shameful. We have a long way to go. But, as one commenter on a CNN article on the subject said, paraphrasing ‘if you want to score some political points, go kick a gay’. Things haven’t changed that much since the bully days on the school playground.

]]> By: James http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2008/12/1406/comment-page-1/#comment-9011 James Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:41:53 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/the-rick-warren-whirlwind/#comment-9011 I cannot stand how religiously conservative people do as they wis with the law, promoting whatever they believe and pushing it into law, believing that God is on their side, and say that they are "respectfully expressing their viewpoint". But when a legality (such as gay marriage) goes into effect that contradicts their beliefs, it's not so much as "respectfully expressing their viewpoint". It is then considered "attacking the house of God". Then, when they try and fight it, and lose, they cry religious prosecution. I cannot stand how religiously conservative people do as they wis with the law, promoting whatever they believe and pushing it into law, believing that God is on their side, and say that they are “respectfully expressing their viewpoint”.

But when a legality (such as gay marriage) goes into effect that contradicts their beliefs, it’s not so much as “respectfully expressing their viewpoint”. It is then considered “attacking the house of God”. Then, when they try and fight it, and lose, they cry religious prosecution.

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