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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/05/3092/comment-page-1/#comment-12424</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, you make me feel proud to be an American again.  Thank you for standing up for what is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, you make me feel proud to be an American again.  Thank you for standing up for what is right.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 13:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Conrad,

Like I always said, if Proposition 8 was presented as what it was - a ban on gay marriage, it wouldn&#039;t have passed. But because the &quot;Yes on 8&quot; campaign had to create so much lies about gay marriage, I believe this convinced the majority to vote against it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Conrad,</p>
<p>Like I always said, if Proposition 8 was presented as what it was &#8211; a ban on gay marriage, it wouldn&#8217;t have passed. But because the &#8220;Yes on 8&#8243; campaign had to create so much lies about gay marriage, I believe this convinced the majority to vote against it.</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 06:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>55% of voters approved of gay marriage when Prop. 8 was announced.  I imagine that they did so because they had met lots of gays, liked them generally, and wanted them to be happy.

Continuing to educate voters by example of the quality of gay citizens would seem to be the best way to prevent that majority from being eroded again when the next proposition, FOR gay marriage, is voted upon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>55% of voters approved of gay marriage when Prop. 8 was announced.  I imagine that they did so because they had met lots of gays, liked them generally, and wanted them to be happy.</p>
<p>Continuing to educate voters by example of the quality of gay citizens would seem to be the best way to prevent that majority from being eroded again when the next proposition, FOR gay marriage, is voted upon.</p>
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		<title>By: Herman</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/05/3092/comment-page-1/#comment-12379</link>
		<dc:creator>Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 02:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then just keep trying.  It takes time.  Understand that you don&#039;t change the viewpoint of the older people (by and large).  You need to change the viewpoint of the young.  Then when the older ones who have the bigoted viewpoint begin to die off and the younger ones take the lead, that is when things change.  Do you think minorities got where they are today thanks to people with narrow viewpoints changing their minds?  No.  We simply had a new generation grow up who were around minorities enough to realize that the fears being spread were not accurate.  

America got to where it is today thanks to logic, reason and sound ideas.  And it will continue to evolve for the better over time thanks to logic, reason and sound ideas.  But you must have patience.  It takes time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then just keep trying.  It takes time.  Understand that you don&#8217;t change the viewpoint of the older people (by and large).  You need to change the viewpoint of the young.  Then when the older ones who have the bigoted viewpoint begin to die off and the younger ones take the lead, that is when things change.  Do you think minorities got where they are today thanks to people with narrow viewpoints changing their minds?  No.  We simply had a new generation grow up who were around minorities enough to realize that the fears being spread were not accurate.  </p>
<p>America got to where it is today thanks to logic, reason and sound ideas.  And it will continue to evolve for the better over time thanks to logic, reason and sound ideas.  But you must have patience.  It takes time.</p>
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		<title>By: David Alex Nahmod</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Alex Nahmod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 01:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herman, we tried.
Many times.
They don&#039;t care.
They dont want to discuss it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herman, we tried.<br />
Many times.<br />
They don&#8217;t care.<br />
They dont want to discuss it.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At that location where many people got arrested for protesting the decision, many of the cops that arrested them were gay themselves. I at least solute them for their dignity in able to perform their job, despit the fact that they must have wanted to join in the protests. That took a lot of courage and integrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At that location where many people got arrested for protesting the decision, many of the cops that arrested them were gay themselves. I at least solute them for their dignity in able to perform their job, despit the fact that they must have wanted to join in the protests. That took a lot of courage and integrity.</p>
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		<title>By: Herman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t sound like you got &quot;busted for marriage.&quot;  Sounds like you got busted for obstructing traffic on a major roadway.  That is a major difference.  

I really don&#039;t see how making a nuisance out of yourself is going to advance your issue.  Why not try logical debate instead of childish antics.  And don&#039;t get me wrong, I am not saying I disagree with your viewpoint.  I just disagree with the way you are going about trying to draw attention to your viewpoint.  Acting like a spoiled, pouty child is not nearly as effective or beneficial as intelligent discussion.

You will get where you want to be much faster when you start acting like an adult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t sound like you got &#8220;busted for marriage.&#8221;  Sounds like you got busted for obstructing traffic on a major roadway.  That is a major difference.  </p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t see how making a nuisance out of yourself is going to advance your issue.  Why not try logical debate instead of childish antics.  And don&#8217;t get me wrong, I am not saying I disagree with your viewpoint.  I just disagree with the way you are going about trying to draw attention to your viewpoint.  Acting like a spoiled, pouty child is not nearly as effective or beneficial as intelligent discussion.</p>
<p>You will get where you want to be much faster when you start acting like an adult.</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nelson G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 01:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I was being cryptic and sarcastic.  Persecution is for jesus freaks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I was being cryptic and sarcastic.  Persecution is for jesus freaks.</p>
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		<title>By: David Alex Nahmod</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Alex Nahmod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 04:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm, I think Nelson was just being humorous, and meant no harm.

To respond to Conrad:
Here&#039;s one thing I forgot to include in my story: all those who got arrested signed promises to be non-violent &amp; peaceful.
And we were.
We were friendly to the police, and they treated us quite well.

Non-violent civil disobedience has a storied history: it certainly served Ghandi &amp; King well. It will do the same for us.
(-:

I don&#039;t have a scanner here, so tomorrow or Sat I&#039;m going to scan my Summons at a friend&#039;s computer &amp; post it here and at my own blog.
I&#039;m proud of my rap sheet~~I think I&#039;ll do it again!!

And if I may suggest, please click the link in comment #6, and read the lovely blog post from Will Scott~~openly gay Pastor Will at Grace Cathedral here in SF.
I met him at Police Headquarters when we
were being processed.
Lovely, intensely spiritual guy.
I&#039;d love to interview him for TWO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm, I think Nelson was just being humorous, and meant no harm.</p>
<p>To respond to Conrad:<br />
Here&#8217;s one thing I forgot to include in my story: all those who got arrested signed promises to be non-violent &amp; peaceful.<br />
And we were.<br />
We were friendly to the police, and they treated us quite well.</p>
<p>Non-violent civil disobedience has a storied history: it certainly served Ghandi &amp; King well. It will do the same for us.<br />
(-:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a scanner here, so tomorrow or Sat I&#8217;m going to scan my Summons at a friend&#8217;s computer &amp; post it here and at my own blog.<br />
I&#8217;m proud of my rap sheet~~I think I&#8217;ll do it again!!</p>
<p>And if I may suggest, please click the link in comment #6, and read the lovely blog post from Will Scott~~openly gay Pastor Will at Grace Cathedral here in SF.<br />
I met him at Police Headquarters when we<br />
were being processed.<br />
Lovely, intensely spiritual guy.<br />
I&#8217;d love to interview him for TWO.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Airhart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Airhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 03:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irrational politics appear to have overtaken the state. I support David&#039;s action -- it&#039;s better than doing nothing -- but true change won&#039;t come to the state until fundamental changes occur.

1. The state&#039;s taxpayers must start paying property taxes and living within their means, like the rest of America. Prop 13 must surely be among the most fiscally irresponsible voter actions ever undertaken anywhere in the United States.

2. When the state&#039;s billionaire conservatives are forced to pay their fair share of taxes, they&#039;ll have far less money to throw into pro-bigotry movements both in California and in other states where California conservatives have no business meddling.

3. Civil disobedience must be conducted by gay people of faith and gay couples outside conservative churches -- and not just on a symbolic one-time basis, but every week. So long as gay couples are denied peace and equality, then bigot churches must be denied the same.

4. Folks like Nelson G. must get over their self-pity and persecution complexes, and start behaving constructively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irrational politics appear to have overtaken the state. I support David&#8217;s action &#8212; it&#8217;s better than doing nothing &#8212; but true change won&#8217;t come to the state until fundamental changes occur.</p>
<p>1. The state&#8217;s taxpayers must start paying property taxes and living within their means, like the rest of America. Prop 13 must surely be among the most fiscally irresponsible voter actions ever undertaken anywhere in the United States.</p>
<p>2. When the state&#8217;s billionaire conservatives are forced to pay their fair share of taxes, they&#8217;ll have far less money to throw into pro-bigotry movements both in California and in other states where California conservatives have no business meddling.</p>
<p>3. Civil disobedience must be conducted by gay people of faith and gay couples outside conservative churches &#8212; and not just on a symbolic one-time basis, but every week. So long as gay couples are denied peace and equality, then bigot churches must be denied the same.</p>
<p>4. Folks like Nelson G. must get over their self-pity and persecution complexes, and start behaving constructively.</p>
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