Just a reminder to Marcus that there was no admission “charge” at that Charlotte event co-sponsored by Truth Wins Out, CRANE, the Lesbian & Gay Community Center, Faith in America and others. “Admission” that evening was purely by donation only. In fact, I’d dare say that close to if not more than 95% of the activities at the Lesbian & Gay Community Center of Charlotte are by donation only; no one would ever be turned away for lack of money (I’d bet that isn’t the case at LWO).

And, a second reminder to Marcus: He and his wife were able to attend and later report on the event for free.

Apologies to Rick (and thanks for the thanks).

Why must LWO distort science so much to try and make their point? Just come out and say it: you think gay people are evil and you support discrimination against them. You’re on the losing side of history.

Thanks for offering a consistently cogent response to the Love Won Out/ Focus on the Family distortions.

Alongside your thoughtful responses, Marcus French and Michael Brown come off as truth-challenged.

Many thanks!

Rick Brentlinger

The study was repudiated by mainstream mental-health professionals due to its use of a rigged sample, its misdefinitions of both orientation and success, its manipulation by the sponsors at Exodus International, and its exclusion of those who have been harmed by ex-gay “therapy.”

In the bizarre alternate universe of Michael Brown, Jones, and Yarhouse, homosexual chastity equals heterosexuality. Also classified as heterosexuality: Sexless ex-gay Christian marriage in which the ex-gay partners cheat on the side.

Marcus French and Michael Brown are champions of ex-gay infidelity, unhappy ex-gay celibacy disguised as happy heterosexuality, and defamation against healthy, faithful, and responsible gay relationships.

If Focus on the Family would end the police-state atmosphere at “Love Won Out” and invite critics as keynote speakers, then there would be no need for off-site conferences to restore the diversity of reputable academic viewpoints that Focus keeps trying to suppress and distort.

The burden of proof is with these “ex-gays”. There is enough evidence of science distorted and manipulated by these groups that you can find here at this site. And you, of course will do your best to justify pseudo-sciences for the sake of prejudice in self or others.

I tried it, twice, and still every morning when I wake up I am still a bisexual. I am sexually cold, and it does not change that fact. And I still know I am a girl. Cutting my hair, changing my clothes and getting a girlfriend do not change my inborn person.

Marcus French: From what I understand, Dr. Michael Brown, a speaker at LWO, has offered to have public dialogue with you…

…Dr. Brown would be delighted to debate you before or after any LWO event, and he would gladly get word out to his constituents about that.

“But what do you say to those who are sexually attracted to their pets?”
“But what do you say to the father who wants to marry his daughter?”
“But what do you say to the child molester who says he was born that way?”

Brown’ idea of debate.

He’ a morass of manipulation.

The questions themselves are meant to indict—with the ultimate goal of eliciting an elaborate answer that uses the word gay, homosexual, et al, in the same sentence as the pariah in question. Thus, repeatedly associating the two in the listeners mind.

It’ brilliant, he gets the respondent to hang themselves. Minimal effort, maximum gain.

His questions are the trap, and the characterization of the trap as “debate,” is the lure.

That’ dishonesty on two levels, lending credence to the conclusion that he really doesn’t think of us as anything more than fish in his pond.