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		<title>By: Truth Wins Out - Exodus Ties Itself to Christian Right&#8217;s War against Health-Care Reform</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/06/3362/comment-page-1/#comment-13561</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth Wins Out - Exodus Ties Itself to Christian Right&#8217;s War against Health-Care Reform</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 04:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we last visited the new Freedom Federation, Exodus International was joining this federation of Christian Right [...]</description>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/06/3362/comment-page-1/#comment-12784</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, even a biblical fundamentalist can&#039;t logically insist that there are no bad laws in the Pentateuch, since Ezekeiel 20:23 represents God as saying of the children of Israel in the wilderness:

&quot;I even gave them laws that were not good and observances by which they could never live....&quot;

And he DOESN&#039;T add: &quot;I mean non-moral laws, of course.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, even a biblical fundamentalist can&#8217;t logically insist that there are no bad laws in the Pentateuch, since Ezekeiel 20:23 represents God as saying of the children of Israel in the wilderness:</p>
<p>&#8220;I even gave them laws that were not good and observances by which they could never live&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>And he DOESN&#8217;T add: &#8220;I mean non-moral laws, of course.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Airhart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Airhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It also alarms me when supposed moral conservatives appear willing to commit any modern-day sin that isn&#039;t explicitly prohibited by their selective interpretation of 2,500-year-old writings.

What&#039;s wrong is wrong, in my opinion -- whether certain religious writings say so or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also alarms me when supposed moral conservatives appear willing to commit any modern-day sin that isn&#8217;t explicitly prohibited by their selective interpretation of 2,500-year-old writings.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s wrong is wrong, in my opinion &#8212; whether certain religious writings say so or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Airhart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Airhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a bit sad to see what &quot;conservatives&quot; will do to mangle Jewish and Christian scriptures to suit their comfort zone, even as they claim to respect said scriptures and to believe them in their entirety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a bit sad to see what &#8220;conservatives&#8221; will do to mangle Jewish and Christian scriptures to suit their comfort zone, even as they claim to respect said scriptures and to believe them in their entirety.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/06/3362/comment-page-1/#comment-12779</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Brad, by Jesus&#039; time, stoning was a practice that was all but abolished by the Rabbinical Jews (Pharisees). The Oral Law - the guidance given by what you might call the Holy Spirit to wise Jewish people as to how to follow the Mosaic Law - had made it as much a footnote as possible; with very strict and specific circumstances that needed to be fulfilled in order for the punishment to be carried out - making stoning virtually obsolete. Things like being forced to marry your deceased husband&#039;s brother were not enforced either; in fact the widow had the choice to say &quot;no&quot; to such an event. And the phrase &quot;eye for eye, tooth for tooth&quot; is a Hebrew expression referring to adequate monetary compensation for whatever crime was committed - like a lawsuit settlement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Brad, by Jesus&#8217; time, stoning was a practice that was all but abolished by the Rabbinical Jews (Pharisees). The Oral Law &#8211; the guidance given by what you might call the Holy Spirit to wise Jewish people as to how to follow the Mosaic Law &#8211; had made it as much a footnote as possible; with very strict and specific circumstances that needed to be fulfilled in order for the punishment to be carried out &#8211; making stoning virtually obsolete. Things like being forced to marry your deceased husband&#8217;s brother were not enforced either; in fact the widow had the choice to say &#8220;no&#8221; to such an event. And the phrase &#8220;eye for eye, tooth for tooth&#8221; is a Hebrew expression referring to adequate monetary compensation for whatever crime was committed &#8211; like a lawsuit settlement.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, you are making a distinction in the Mosaic Law which the Mosaic Law itself does not make, viz. the &quot;moral&quot; law and the other &quot;non-moral&quot; parts. 

There are no subtitles saying &quot;The following are moral regulations&quot; or &quot;The following are non-moral regulations&quot;. ALL the regulations in the Holiness Code are presented as explicit commands of Yahweh, and there is NO suggestion whatever that any are optional, temporary or in any way of lower status than others. On the contrary, it is repeatedly emphasized that ALL the laws are to be kept, and severe divine retribution is threatened to anyone who fails to keep ANY of them.

The only reasonable conclusion is that the Mosaic Law is not a reasonable foundation for Christian morality. Yes, things like adultery, child sacrifice and beastiality [sic] are indeed sinful, but their sinfulness does not depend on their condemnation by the Mosaic Law. They would still be wrong even if not a word of the Mosaic Law had ever been written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, you are making a distinction in the Mosaic Law which the Mosaic Law itself does not make, viz. the &#8220;moral&#8221; law and the other &#8220;non-moral&#8221; parts. </p>
<p>There are no subtitles saying &#8220;The following are moral regulations&#8221; or &#8220;The following are non-moral regulations&#8221;. ALL the regulations in the Holiness Code are presented as explicit commands of Yahweh, and there is NO suggestion whatever that any are optional, temporary or in any way of lower status than others. On the contrary, it is repeatedly emphasized that ALL the laws are to be kept, and severe divine retribution is threatened to anyone who fails to keep ANY of them.</p>
<p>The only reasonable conclusion is that the Mosaic Law is not a reasonable foundation for Christian morality. Yes, things like adultery, child sacrifice and beastiality [sic] are indeed sinful, but their sinfulness does not depend on their condemnation by the Mosaic Law. They would still be wrong even if not a word of the Mosaic Law had ever been written.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Airhart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Airhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homosexuality should not be a hot issue in the church, Brad: It should be a non-issue. 

What should be issues: Individual and religious freedom, the rapid decline of the global environment, the millions of people dying in wars each year, inexcusable poverty, the failure of heterosexual parents to accept full responsibility for their kids&#039; education and after-school activities, and steps that can be taken to make abortion unnecessary and obsolete. 

The Bible does not make homosexuality a priority; you do. 

I respect the portions of the Bible that are indeed inspired by God and therefore are worthy of respect; you, Brad, are dishonest about your obvious rejection of unethical portions of the Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homosexuality should not be a hot issue in the church, Brad: It should be a non-issue. </p>
<p>What should be issues: Individual and religious freedom, the rapid decline of the global environment, the millions of people dying in wars each year, inexcusable poverty, the failure of heterosexual parents to accept full responsibility for their kids&#8217; education and after-school activities, and steps that can be taken to make abortion unnecessary and obsolete. </p>
<p>The Bible does not make homosexuality a priority; you do. </p>
<p>I respect the portions of the Bible that are indeed inspired by God and therefore are worthy of respect; you, Brad, are dishonest about your obvious rejection of unethical portions of the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: brad anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>michael
tell me where exactly does Jesus say that the bible is wrong?
for your information I am not &quot;preoccupied with 
homosexuality&quot; as you put it.  Homosexuality is the
hot issue in the church today.  i am doing what is 
commanded in the Bible namely contend ernestly for
the faith.  by the way, michael, christians through
out history have died horrable violent deaths
rather than denounce the Bible, a little more 
respect for God&#039;s word please!  As for your 
comment, william, Jesus did away with the curse
of the law (stoning, etc) but the moral law
is still in force, or are you prepared to say
that adultry, child sacrifice, and beastiality
are now permissable, because the law has been
done away with?  I will continue as long as I
have breath and ability to defend God&#039;s
word.  I am not not ashamed of it. (Rom 1:16)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>michael<br />
tell me where exactly does Jesus say that the bible is wrong?<br />
for your information I am not &#8220;preoccupied with<br />
homosexuality&#8221; as you put it.  Homosexuality is the<br />
hot issue in the church today.  i am doing what is<br />
commanded in the Bible namely contend ernestly for<br />
the faith.  by the way, michael, christians through<br />
out history have died horrable violent deaths<br />
rather than denounce the Bible, a little more<br />
respect for God&#8217;s word please!  As for your<br />
comment, william, Jesus did away with the curse<br />
of the law (stoning, etc) but the moral law<br />
is still in force, or are you prepared to say<br />
that adultry, child sacrifice, and beastiality<br />
are now permissable, because the law has been<br />
done away with?  I will continue as long as I<br />
have breath and ability to defend God&#8217;s<br />
word.  I am not not ashamed of it. (Rom 1:16)</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/06/3362/comment-page-1/#comment-12772</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and that&#039; not all. The Bible also affirms the judicial murder of gays:

&quot;The man who lies with another man in the same way as with a woman: they have done a hateful thing together; they must die, their blood shall be on their own heads.&quot; (Leviticus 20:13)

As the Dutch Protestant theologian Harry Kuitert observes, &quot;[I]f we were to do everything that is handed down in the Bible as God&#039; commandments, we would be bad people with abhorrent deeds.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and that&#8217; not all. The Bible also affirms the judicial murder of gays:</p>
<p>&#8220;The man who lies with another man in the same way as with a woman: they have done a hateful thing together; they must die, their blood shall be on their own heads.&#8221; (Leviticus 20:13)</p>
<p>As the Dutch Protestant theologian Harry Kuitert observes, &#8220;[I]f we were to do everything that is handed down in the Bible as God&#8217; commandments, we would be bad people with abhorrent deeds.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Airhart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Airhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, the Bible regrettably does not affirm one-man-one-woman marriage; the worst parts of the Bible affirm polygamy by David and incest by Lot, the best parts honor single parents and orphans living under adverse circumstances.

The New Testament affirms slavery, and much of American Christianity followed suit until the past century.

The Old Testament affirms historically inaccurate accounts of mass genocide against tribes that are falsely accused of wrongdoing, and it affirms the rape and slaughter of the wives and children of the vanquished. Meanwhile, the New Testament affirms pacifism in response to violent assaults. In short, I believe it is Christian of me to acknowledge that the Bible is at times inconsistent, and at times just plain wrong. Jesus said as much in condemning Biblical legalism.

Brad, you cherry-pick a small handful of Bible verses, remove them from context, interpret them to be repudiations of same-sex attraction and love, and dismiss much of the Bible and Christian moral code amid your preoccupation over homosexuality.

In other comments at TWO, you have seemed to affirm a variety of lies, deceptions, and factual distortions regarding gender and sexuality that are central to ex-gay ideology. Ex-gay myths had no place in historical Christianity -- not up until antigay evangelicals adopted the mistaken suppositions of atheist Sigmund Freud in the past half-century and declared these myths to be Biblical without any scriptural evidence whatsoever.

I conclude from the above that your religious beliefs are flimsy, half-formed, infused with myths borrowed from non-Biblical and post-Biblical sources. I hope you will take time to get to know former ex-gays and their journey of faith and truth out of the lies and self-contradictions of the ex-gay pseudo-religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, the Bible regrettably does not affirm one-man-one-woman marriage; the worst parts of the Bible affirm polygamy by David and incest by Lot, the best parts honor single parents and orphans living under adverse circumstances.</p>
<p>The New Testament affirms slavery, and much of American Christianity followed suit until the past century.</p>
<p>The Old Testament affirms historically inaccurate accounts of mass genocide against tribes that are falsely accused of wrongdoing, and it affirms the rape and slaughter of the wives and children of the vanquished. Meanwhile, the New Testament affirms pacifism in response to violent assaults. In short, I believe it is Christian of me to acknowledge that the Bible is at times inconsistent, and at times just plain wrong. Jesus said as much in condemning Biblical legalism.</p>
<p>Brad, you cherry-pick a small handful of Bible verses, remove them from context, interpret them to be repudiations of same-sex attraction and love, and dismiss much of the Bible and Christian moral code amid your preoccupation over homosexuality.</p>
<p>In other comments at TWO, you have seemed to affirm a variety of lies, deceptions, and factual distortions regarding gender and sexuality that are central to ex-gay ideology. Ex-gay myths had no place in historical Christianity &#8212; not up until antigay evangelicals adopted the mistaken suppositions of atheist Sigmund Freud in the past half-century and declared these myths to be Biblical without any scriptural evidence whatsoever.</p>
<p>I conclude from the above that your religious beliefs are flimsy, half-formed, infused with myths borrowed from non-Biblical and post-Biblical sources. I hope you will take time to get to know former ex-gays and their journey of faith and truth out of the lies and self-contradictions of the ex-gay pseudo-religion.</p>
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