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	<title>Comments on: Parents Go Public over Faulkner&#8217;s Alleged Ex-Gay Detention</title>
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		<title>By: Fernando</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 00:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to see Alan Chambers on the Maury Povich show: &quot;And as for Son A and Son B, Alan.........................you are NOT the father!!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see Alan Chambers on the Maury Povich show: &#8220;And as for Son A and Son B, Alan&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.you are NOT the father!!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Fitzgerald (Emproph)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Fitzgerald (Emproph)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 07:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I understand what you&#039;re getting at (i.e., children are not proof of heterosexuality) but the Right tells enough lies that we don&#039;t need to minimize the adoptive-parent relationship in order to accuse them of dishonesty.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And I understand what you&#039;re getting at, too---that parents are parents, whether their kids are adopted or not, and we should not imply otherwise. But he glosses over the adoptions fact &lt;I&gt;in his own &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.harvesthousepublishers.com/books_nonfictionbook.cfm?productID=6926102&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;book&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/I&gt;, in a potentially if not definitively misleading way:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Alan Chambers&lt;/b&gt;: &quot;Dad couldn&#039;t wait for Leslie and me to have kids. When we found out we were infertile, he was heartbroken for us and helped us in every way possible. When our kids, [names omitted], were born, it was one of the happiest times in Dad&#039; life. Seeing me become a father filled something in Dad&#039; heart that changed him even more. He was a good father but an amazing grandfather.&quot; (p37)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
To his credit, he makes it very clear throughout the book that heterosexuality is &lt;I&gt;not&lt;/I&gt; the goal, and he&#039; very open about the sexual issues he and Leslie had. But if one didn&#039;t know better, they might think (among other things) that his dad, in some way, helped them to become fertile, and that &lt;I&gt;they&lt;/I&gt; had the children.

Now, if he&#039; already established that heterosexuality is not the goal, then he&#039; also established that children are not the goal. So why be surreptitious about the adoptions?

To be clear, this is not about the adoptions, it&#039; about the character of Alan Chambers. He unnecessarily draws suspicion (i.e., implies children &lt;I&gt;are&lt;/I&gt; proof of heterosexuality) whenever he omits this important fact, and this Fox News story just adds fuel to that fire.

For the sake of your own credibility, Alan, either insist that their mention include the fact that they are adopted, or insist that they&#039;re not mentioned at all. Anything less, inflates the notion that opposite-sex attraction can be learned and should be expected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;I understand what you&#8217;re getting at (i.e., children are not proof of heterosexuality) but the Right tells enough lies that we don&#8217;t need to minimize the adoptive-parent relationship in order to accuse them of dishonesty.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>And I understand what you&#8217;re getting at, too&#8212;that parents are parents, whether their kids are adopted or not, and we should not imply otherwise. But he glosses over the adoptions fact <i>in his own <a href="http://www.harvesthousepublishers.com/books_nonfictionbook.cfm?productID=6926102" rel="nofollow">book</a></i>, in a potentially if not definitively misleading way:</p>
<blockquote><p><b>Alan Chambers</b>: &#8220;Dad couldn&#8217;t wait for Leslie and me to have kids. When we found out we were infertile, he was heartbroken for us and helped us in every way possible. When our kids, [names omitted], were born, it was one of the happiest times in Dad&#8217; life. Seeing me become a father filled something in Dad&#8217; heart that changed him even more. He was a good father but an amazing grandfather.&#8221; (p37)</p></blockquote>
<p>To his credit, he makes it very clear throughout the book that heterosexuality is <i>not</i> the goal, and he&#8217; very open about the sexual issues he and Leslie had. But if one didn&#8217;t know better, they might think (among other things) that his dad, in some way, helped them to become fertile, and that <i>they</i> had the children.</p>
<p>Now, if he&#8217; already established that heterosexuality is not the goal, then he&#8217; also established that children are not the goal. So why be surreptitious about the adoptions?</p>
<p>To be clear, this is not about the adoptions, it&#8217; about the character of Alan Chambers. He unnecessarily draws suspicion (i.e., implies children <i>are</i> proof of heterosexuality) whenever he omits this important fact, and this Fox News story just adds fuel to that fire.</p>
<p>For the sake of your own credibility, Alan, either insist that their mention include the fact that they are adopted, or insist that they&#8217;re not mentioned at all. Anything less, inflates the notion that opposite-sex attraction can be learned and should be expected.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Airhart</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/07/3553/comment-page-1/#comment-12874</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Airhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback, Rob. I&#039;ve been uncomfortable how to *concisely* make the point that Chambers&#039; exploits adoption to imply heterosexual relations, and I will try to express that concern with greater respect for legitimate adoption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback, Rob. I&#8217;ve been uncomfortable how to *concisely* make the point that Chambers&#8217; exploits adoption to imply heterosexual relations, and I will try to express that concern with greater respect for legitimate adoption.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Tisinai</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/07/3553/comment-page-1/#comment-12873</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Tisinai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for keeping us up-to-date on this.  It&#039;s heart-breaking.  I would ask you to reconsider this accusation, though:

&quot;Fox also misleadingly tells readers that president Alan Chambers has two children ‚Äî concealing their adoption.&quot;

The last thing the gay community needs is to be telling people that it&#039;s misleading to call adopted children your own.  I understand what you&#039;re getting at (i.e., children are not proof of heterosexuality) but the Right tells enough lies that we don&#039;t need to minimize the adoptive-parent relationship in order to accuse them of dishonesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for keeping us up-to-date on this.  It&#8217;s heart-breaking.  I would ask you to reconsider this accusation, though:</p>
<p>&#8220;Fox also misleadingly tells readers that president Alan Chambers has two children ‚Äî concealing their adoption.&#8221;</p>
<p>The last thing the gay community needs is to be telling people that it&#8217;s misleading to call adopted children your own.  I understand what you&#8217;re getting at (i.e., children are not proof of heterosexuality) but the Right tells enough lies that we don&#8217;t need to minimize the adoptive-parent relationship in order to accuse them of dishonesty.</p>
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