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Right Wing Simply Out of Control; No Sense of Dignity or Decency
24About the Author
Wayne Besen is the Founding Executive Director of Truth Wins Out and author of “Anything But Straight: Unmasking the Scandals and Lies Behind the Ex-Gay Myth” (Haworth, 2003). In 2010, Besen was awarded the “Visionary Award” at the Out Music Awards for organizing the American Prayer Hour, an event which shined a spotlight on the role American evangelicals played in the introduction of Uganda’s Anti-Homosexuality Bill.
i sincerely hope that wayne is not making a
blanket statement about all of us on the right, if
he is then his hypocracy is really showing! how many
times have we heard wayne and other left wing
activists complain about those on the right
making blanket statements about those on the left?
obviously that woman on the video does not represent
all those on the right, and she does not speak for
all of as us as wayne seems to think. I would really
appreciate it if wayne and michael would stop
deamonizing those of us on the right
Brad,
Who on the right is condemning this behavior? Who on the right is criticizing the specific entities — including Glenn Beck, Fox News, the AFA, FRC, numerous megachurches, and various pharmaceutical-sponsored front groups led by Dick Armey, Pat Boone and others — that are mobilizing lunatics to disrupt town-hall meetings?
Where, in fact, is your criticism of this behavior — and what are you, in particular, doing to discourage such conduct by the organizations that you support?
so let me understand this michael, when the left
was mobilizing organized protest aginst George W
bush that was just concerned citizens exersizing
thier constitutional rights and showing democracy
in action, but when the right does the same thing
its lunitics disrupting town hall meetings?
i never heard anyone from your side condemn
the left wing protesters. why can’t you just acknowledge that the vast majority of those
town hall protesters are regular americans
expressing thier distrust of obama and his
trying to ram socialism down our throats?
i will readily admit(something you can’t seem
to do) that there are a few people from the
fringe that try to disrupt those town
hall meetings, just as there are on the left.
I don’t always agree with glenn beck or fox news,
but at least fox news is a lot more balanced than
nbc, cbs and cnn, one final thing michael,
i do not support the behaviour of those that
are on the fringe of my side, do you support
the behaviour of the fringe of the left?
I don’t support obama’s policies or his socialism
so, I guess that makes me a lunitic in your
view, I think not michael, that just makes me
one of the millions who feel the same way, we
are americans exersizing our constitutional
rights and showing democrcy in action.
Yes, Brad, I am condemning those on the right. The unfair attacks on Obama and healthcare have been lead by Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.
Sarah Palin has spread the disgusting lie of death panels. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has backed her up. Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey is behind many of the Town Brawls.
So, clearly, it is not fringe members on the right, but the very heart and “mainstream” of the party. These irresponsible leaders are inciting fringe elements to disrupt the Democratic process. If you have a problem with such behavior, why do you support such leaders?
Brad:
The left was protesting an unnecessary war that came about on fake and trumped up evidence. No one of sane mind disputes that the reasons we were told we had to go into Iraq were bogus.
As a result of Bush and Cheney, tens of thousands of people have died in Iraq, as well as American soldiers. The effort has cost our nation dearly in blood and treasure.
Meanwhile, those on the right are going nuts because our president is trying to provide healthcare for people who are sick. Imagine that!
The fact that you can’t see the difference between the two scenarios shows a serious disconnect with reality.
Again, just to reiterate – Killing tens of thousands based on a lie vs. getting sick people a doctor. Hmm, I wonder which one is worse?
And, the big difference is that the dolts and dopes at these town halls are just incomprehensibly dumb. Many don’t even know Medicare is a government program. Perhaps, you don’t either, Brad. These bumbling dunces actually believe in the “death panel” nonsense.
Quite frankly, it is just not possible to respect such utter stupidity, nor the politicians who manipulate and pander to such people at the expense of our nation.
seriously – if someone can’t see the difference between Bush/Cheney and thier Literally Death Policies….as opposed to Obama’s TRYING to provide Health care to ALL Americans……I don’t know what else to say.
It should come as no surprise that the majority of right-wing are stirring up unprecedented hate and fear in our country. This is why the Republicans and right-wing fanatics are losing ground… they have nothing intelligent or worthy to add to a growing problem so they scream, shout, and run about, looking very stupid and immature. So be it! They sign their own death warrants as a legitimate political party.
Disgusted American, there can be no more to be said…I support you 100%!
Dakotahgeo
Republicans and insurance industry executives first proposed end-of-life consultations half a decade ago to discourage the elderly from billing Medicare (read: conservative taxpayers) for traumatic and costly medical treatments that only preserve life by a few weeks or months.
It’s amazing that town-hall dunces and GOP leaders now go around blaming Democrats for GOP-industry proposals.
Just for the record, the female protester with the Obama as Hitler poster at Barney Frank’s Wednesday town hall meeting was a Lyndon LaRouche left-wing Democrat.
For those out of the loop, LaRouche was a member of the Socialist Workers Party, who ran for President five times. In other words, LaRouche and his supporters are leftist liberals, not a right-wing conservatives.
Now to your video – How do you KNOW the woman in your video is a right-winger? Is it possible she was a SEIU plant? They have been bussing folks into town hall meetings. In a St. Louis town hall meeting, SEIU guys beat up a black conservative. Or did you miss that?
If the woman in your video is in fact, a right-winger, is is reasonable to then attack your conservative gay and lesbian brethren as if all of us agree with her, when we most definitely do not?
Remember the guy who produced the Obama as the Joker posters – he’s a Palestinian from Chicago – NOT a conservative.
The fact is, neither conservatives nor Republicans have the votes to stop Obama-care.
“Moderate” Democrats in the Senate are holding up reconciliation in the Senate because they (Democrat Senators) oppose single payer.
Leftist Democrats in the House, according to Speaker Pelosi, will NOT support a reconciliation bill which omits single payer.
Democrats have the votes to pass it – Republicans do not have the votes to stop it.
Your hysterical attacks on conservatives are odd beyond belief.
Rick Brentlinger
Rick:
Please stop serving as an apologist. How stupid do you think we are? Um, yeah. conservative Republicans have “nothing” to do with the mayhem at the town brawls.
Can I sell you a bridge?
Wayne-
I’ve often appreciated your factual presentation of issues dealing with gay rights.
I sense a great deal of frustration in you and Michael, which unfortunately, has caused your departure from factual presentation on this issue.
Demonizing gay and lesbian conservatives as you and Michael seem to be doing in your remarks here, ill-serves your cause.
Rick Brentlinger
Rick–
I note that you conveniently declined to specify where that “departure from factual presentation” took place. The observation was made that lies and distortions and unfounded fears were being promulgated by the right wing–and that is undeniably true.
And I don’t know that it’s “demonizing” gay conservatives when one questions the psychological stability of people who insist on hanging out with and trying to be accepted by a party that doesn’t hesitate to admit they wish gays were still criminalized, if not eradicated. Talk about crashing a party where you’re not welcome!
Gary-
I specified the “departure from factual presentation” in post #9.
Wayne asserts:”Right Wing Simply Out of Control; No Sense of Dignity or Decency.”
Is Wayne’s assertion “dignified and decent?”
1. The assertion falsely stereotypes the right, the same error (stereotyping) so many anti-gay folk make about those of us who are gay.
2. The assertion assumes, falsely, that the right is a monolithic movement, all with the same viewpoint.
3. The assertion is a pointed attack on those who oppose the unConstitutional intrusion of the federal government into the health care of every American.
4. The assertion leaves no room for discussion or differing approaches, choosing instead to attack and ridicule those who disagree.
5. Your statement questioning the “psychological stability” of folks who disagree is mean-spirited and in my case, factually incorrect.
I am NOT a Republican. I am a registered Independent who lives and votes conservative.
Rick Brentlinger
So, conservatives fear socialism and big government intrusion into their life, and therefore don’t want Obama’s public health option programs…heard it before, we all know that American conservatives love the rich and hate the poor…but simultaneously, they are okay with DOMA and any other government intrusion that controls gay folks, demonizes the LGBT community, and attempts to control sex for everyone, even heterosexuals. They oppose repeal of archaic laws that outlaw sex between consenting adults. How do you conservative types explain this weirdness…that it is fine for government to regulate sex and intimate relationships, but it is not okay for government to provide public health care options?
Rick,
I wish the GOP rank-and-file and leaders were repudiating the actions of the teabaggers, gun-toting town-hall hooligans, anti-Semites, and execute-the-homo preachers, but they’re not. No one with authority is countering the actions of the organizations and leaders who are organizing and cheerleading these campaigns: Armey, Beck, Boone, Limbaugh, Norquist, AFA, FRC. No one on the right is offering facts to counter fiction and outright slander.
It seems to me that rational folks like you and Jamie Kirchick are granting the right a monolithic appearance by blaming the critics — shooting the messengers — instead of showing some courage by publicly repudiating the lunatics and offering the public a civil and democratic alternative.
Your suggestion that state or federal competition in health care is unconstitutional is over-the-top — and hypocritical, unless you wish to abolish Medicare and Social Security. Tell me: Where, exactly, does the Constitution prohibit Medicare or Social Security?
Today’s GOP-friendly organizations no longer seek a libertarian society — if they ever did. I wish they would, but they don’t.
With scattered exceptions (GLIL and IGF among them), they seek to regulate and tax everyone else while abolishing the laws and taxes that apply to themselves. They seek to borrow and print money for themselves — and make our children and grandchildren pay for their greed.
In other words, they (you?) are much like Democrats.
Personally, I no longer respect either die-hard Democrats or die-hard Republicans, because ultimately they share a pre-occupation with self-interest and a desire to sacrifice long-term economic, social, medical, and political health for short-term special interests and self-serving ideologies.
DaveTheWave-
Why do you insist on stereotyping conservatives as if we all believe the same thing?
Michael-
Why do you insult those who differ with your viewpoint by using crude sexual slang like “teabaggers?”
The Democrats could have passed their health care “reform” before the summer recess if they had wanted to.
Democrats enjoy a 77 vote majority in the House and a 60 vote super-majority in the Senate.
Plus they have the Presidency and most of the media supporting the government plan.
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“Tell me: Where, exactly, does the Constitution prohibit Medicare or Social Security?”
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Article 1, Section 8 lists powers of the Federal government.
Then Articles 9 and 10 specifically prohibit the federal government doing anything not enumerated in Article 1 because powers not enumerated in Article 1 are (1) beyond the scope of federal authority, and (2) belong to the states or the people.
Article 9:
“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
Article 10:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
Rick Brentlinger
I don’t view “teabaggers” as sexual slang — they adopted the teabag as a mascot and some of them adopted the noun as well.
However, I don’t apologize for insulting people who demand tax cuts without spending cuts to the government programs that they love, and who offer no responsible alternative path out of an economic collapse that was caused by a real-estate and investment bubble fueled by runaway GOP deficit spending since 2000 and by irresponsibly low rates at the Fed.
My problem is not with wanting to get health care for those who need it. The problem is with the government doing it. If you think that government run health care will be any different than Social Security, Medicaid, and other government run programs then you are living in another world. The government hasn’t done much of anything right, just look at the past programs, we are in for more of the same.
rick
although you and i disagree about homosexuality,
i do thank you for your comment (no.13). you know, i just
love the hypocracy of those on the left like michael
and wayne. they always accuse us who are on the right
of being hateful and mean spirited. that is really
pathetic when you consider letterman’s joking
about sarah palin “accentuating her slutty
airline stewardess look” and joking about her
14 year old daughter being raped by a middle
aged baseball player, and that’s not even the tip
of the iceburg of the vile filth that the left has piled on her. how many times did the left compare
bush to hitler? to many to count. how about perez hiltons attacks on carrie prejean? I could go on and on, but you get the point! I think that before
michael and wayne go on with thier attacks on those
on the right, they had better look at themselves
and thier left wing side first
Michelle Bachmann.
Glenn Beck.
Sarah Palin.
Cartoon characters – the lot of them. And nothing more.
Brad, you conveniently forget that some of us at TWO have criticized Perez Hilton — and I would have criticized Letterman, except he’s too lame and lousy a comedian to be worth the trouble: He and Palin deserve each other.
Both you and Rick fail to explain how I’m on the “left.” And while TWO criticizes extremes of the left and right, both of you go right on tolerating indecency, death threats and profanity from your own side.
If “liberal” means believing in liberty for all, freedom of speech, government that lives within its fiscal means, and an end to favoritism and “special rights” for corrupt special interests, then I’m guilty as charged.
Michael
i DO NOT tolerate indecency, death threats and
profanity from my side, I have spoken out and will
continue to speak out against those things. It amazes me beyond belief that you don’t think letterman
is worth the trouble to criticize. I suppose
if that had been hilary clinton or michelle obama
or some other liberal woman he would then be worth the
trouble. the difference between us michael is that
I would have criticized letterman just as harshly
no matter what woman was the object of those jokes.
those jokes he told were way over the line. Contrary
to what you might think, michael, I do not march
lockstep with the republican party although i am
a conservative. I was furious with GW bush’s
out of control spending amoung other things.
as far as you believing in a government that lives
within its fiscal means, you must not suppert obama
and the democrats in charge of congress seeing
that they have added at least 2 trillion dollars
more to the national debet and this national
health care takeover you seem to love so much
will add at least a trillion dollars more to
the debt. And the democrats and going to end
special rights for special interests, they are
controlled by thier own special interest groups.
again, michael just so you and wayne understand
I do not and will not tolerate hate, indecency,
profanity etc from my side, I am and will continue
to be quick to condemn those things. ( although
you and wayne will not acknowledge this objecting
to homosexuality from a moral biblical standpoint
is not hate)
Jumping in Brad…
“although you and wayne will not acknowledge this objecting to homosexuality from a moral biblical standpoint is not hate” – it is not the Biblical quotes that are hateful per se – it is the nefarious uses that sections of the increasingly rabid right wing in the US put the Biblical standpoint to limit the freedoms of others. Whilst other countries separate church and state in practice and not in law (cf. UK) , the US seems to do it only in law and not in practice wrt gay rights. Witness LDS buying political influence (not in principle wrong – just pointing out political activism by religious organisations). I’m afraid you come under the same umbrella of “religiously motivated anti-gay” whether you want to be associated with them or not. All must be opposed vigourously.
Also, stating that the Bible condemns homosexuality can be disputed and it can be a fairly hateful thing to say someone is going to hell and responsible for the breakdown of the family. Heterosexuality doesn’t, in and of itself, get labeled perverse and sinful. How f*****g convenient to be straight.
Well put, Paul.
I would add simply that Brad does not object to homosexuality from “a moral biblical standpoint.” In my view, Brad’s standpoint is neither moral nor biblical.
This has all been said before, but I don’t think Brad really listens.