On August 5, Michigan resident Patrick McAlvey (left) revealed in a Truth Wins Out video the bizarre “therapy” he received from Exodus International counselor Mike Jones, who runs the group’ Lansing affiliate, Corduroy Stone. More than a month later, Exodus continues to shelter and support Jones, while offering silence in the face of scandal. The group has made no effort to investigate McAlvey’ charges, nor has it apologized for practicing touch therapy, a controversial practice it supposedly is against.
At the age of nineteen, McAlvey, who came from a religious background, was terrified that he might be gay. Feeling vulnerable and desperate to “change”, he placed his trust in Jones. Michigan’ GLBT newspaper, Between the Lines, interviewed McAlvey, now 24, where he elaborated on his therapy sessions with Jones in vivid detail.
“He asked how large my penis was,” McAlvey explained. “He asked if I shave my pubic hair. He asked what type of underwear that I wore. He wanted me to describe my sexual fantasies to him and the type of men I’m attracted to. On one occasion, he asked me to take my shirt off and show him how many push-ups I could do, which I did not do.”
Exodus may call this “therapy”, but where I come from (the real world) this is called foreplay. This is just not acceptable behavior and is predatory when it comes from an authority figure.
In sessions, Jones would also have McAlvey lie in his arms for hour-long intervals — a technique known as “touch therapy”. This method would be questionable in any circumstance, but even more so when the counselor who is caressing the client still admits to struggling with his homosexuality.
On his website, Jones acknowledges that he is still having “areas of sexual temptations”, is “sexually attracted to other men” and is “still not sexually attracted to women.” If this is the case, how is he qualified to help other people change their sexual orientation? And, if Exodus’ defines Jones as a success story, why would people waste their time and money on this failed program?
Most important, why is a sexually repressed gay man allowed to place young men in his lap under the auspices of therapy? Imagine the uproar if an older heterosexual therapist was “helping” straight teenagers or young women with such exploitative and quack-like techniques!
Interestingly, Exodus International has a policy statement saying it “is opposed to the therapeutic practice commonly referred to as “holding/touch therapy’” and that it “does not endorse any individual or organization that is known to use that method.”
If this is the case, then why has Exodus failed to launch a probe or discipline Jones, an actual Exodus counselor facing a direct charge that he flagrantly violated the organization’ policy?
I tried to get an explanation from Exodus’ corporate headquarters in Orlando, but the group’ President, Alan Chambers, and its Vice President, Randy Thomas, refused to return my e-mail or calls. I did reach Mike Jones on the telephone, but he bluntly said, “I really shouldn’t be talking to you,” and then he abruptly hung up.
Shamefully, Exodus has displayed the “Vatican values” of ignoring charges while keeping the alleged perpetrator in place to potentially do further damage. To this day, if parents in central Michigan want to “help” their teenager become straight, they will be put in contact with Jones. Isn’t Exodus the slightest bit concerned that the charges are true and that they are potentially placing future clients in harms way?
It is also alarming that Jones, who works at Michigan State University, uses a school e-mail address, making it appear as if the college supports his counseling. Corduroy Stone’ website even says it “focuses its efforts on those in the community of Lansing and East Lansing, Michigan, USA and includes faculty staff and students at Michigan State University.”
Why haven’t those on staff at the university who are involved with Jones’ ministry spoken up and demanded an investigation? It seems that they are either sweeping this case under the carpet or they tacitly approve of Jones’ counseling techniques.
This scandal takes on a special significance because Exodus is acquiring Focus on the Family’ Love Won Out conferences, beginning in Birmingham, Alabama on Nov. 7. The fancy ex-gay road show caters to religious parents who have gay children. Literature at these events refers mothers and fathers to Exodus, where children might just end up in the hands of someone like Mike Jones.
Exodus may call what they do outreach, but parents should keep a wary eye and monitor where these counselors are actually reaching with their hands-on therapy. It seems that Exodus handles its scandals much like its programs: it is all about superficial appearances with little interest in the well being of its clients.
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Thank you for the bravery it has taken to tell your story. Fear and regret o fnot tellling has lead many beautiufl people down destructive roads. People like Mike Jones are horrible, digusting creatures who prey on young men to feed their own sexual dysfuction. God is with you always and we know that Jesus has carried the cross for us many times over.
Take care my friend, peace be in your heart knowing you have stood up for right to be protected.
Joseph Neesho Migizi Marion
The “therapy” offered by Corduroy Stone leader Mike Jones sounds more like a sexual predator in action than a Christian counselor.
Patrick McAlvey survived the fraudulent “therapy” Exodus International claims to reject but tacitly endorses.
I wonder if Bryce Faulkner’s parents are aware that, at an Exodus facility somewhere, their wonderful son is very possibly enduring the same kind of sex predator “therapy” Patrick McAlvey endured?
Thank you Wayne, for exposing the quackery of Exodus International affiliates.
Rick Brentlinger
That’s the inherent danger of religious groups/organizations providing “services” of this nature. They’re not held to any standards nor are they required to adhere to any regulations, unlike secular providers. They can do as they please, regardless of the consequences to others, and get away with it under the guise of “religious freedom”. What’s worse is our tax dollars subsidize this garbage.
Wayne, if you even question these ex gay wack jobs your “intolerant towards ex gays” how dare you Wayne.. “ex gays” need respect!
Vegasguy:
It is amazing how these predatory victimizers like to play the role of victims. They often seem to lack a conscience.
The tactics, or treatment modalities are reminiscent of the month I spent in about 1977 with Guy Charles of the now long deposed Liberation Ex-Gay Ministry. I had been living at a place called Sonshine Farm in the Danville, Va area and was trying to overcome my homosexuality and be a Christian. My minister at the time had promised me counseling etc. which really never came about. I found out about Guy and his ministry, I think by reading an article in Christianity Today Newspaper. I went there in hopes of finding answers and a “cure.” What I found was other men coming from different parts of the country seeking the same elusive cure. I had to fill out a long questionnaire asking me stuff that I was naive about and didn’t even know what some of it meant at the time being from a small town, scat, fisting, among other things. My fantasies were among the questions I was asked to reveal, only to have them revealed to other members of the household in general conversation later on. Was this to humiliate me or to what? I brought an old Christian friend over that was struggling with his gayness, and before I knew it, he was laying up on the couch cuddling with Guy. Guy was a man in his early 60′s or late 50′s and we were in our early 20′s at best. I knew this was not what it was proposed to be. I came home from wherever I had been one day to a “quiet house” and later found out that Guy and another of my newly made friends were in Guys’ bedroom, involved in their own version of touch therapy. When I managed to figure out just what was really taking place after my friend told me what had occurred in the bedroom between he and Guy, I left, called the Christianity Today magazine and exposed Guy for the predator he was. His ministry and ties to the Episcopal Church in Falls Church that was sponsoring him soon unraveled. By the way, my minister back home in about 1981 was discovered to be sleeping with several of the deacons in the church and kicked out of the church.
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Don, that’ very interesting information about Guy Charles. It’ ages since I’ve seen any mention of him.
Am I wrong, or wasn’t his “ex-gay” ministry, Liberation in Jesus Christ, one of the oldest — older even than Exodus International? According to Francis Mark Mondimore in “A Natural History of Homosexuality” (1996), Guy Charles, having been slung out by the church that had sponsored him in 1974 after his misconduct with aspiring ex-gays came to light, went on to found another “ex-gay” ministry which folded in 1986 for the same reasons, and then started yet another one in 1993 and was yet again accused of similar misconduct.
Not the only “ex-gay” guru with a history like that, is he? It reminds me a bit of fraudulent Spiritualist mediums who, when they’re unmasked, move to another part of the country and set up shop again.
Contact the MSU board of trustees and tell them how university resources are being used for unethical and harmful practices:
Office of the Secretary of the Board of Trustees
Michigan State University
450 Administration Building
East Lansing MI 48824-1046
Phone: (517) 353-4647; Hours: 8:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. EST
Fax: (517) 355-4670
I don’t know anything about what happened to him after I called the reporter from Christianity Today and told him what I knew about the goings on in his apartment. He was dating a woman from the Episcop. Church there as well, who I really felt sorry for when all this came out about him. I recall calling and speaking to her in the months afterward. That was all so long ago it is all sort of hazy. While I was there I worked in the office at the Episcopal church with Guy, filing or whatever I could do to help out and was listening to tapes by Greg Reid of Eagle Ministries. I was really getting a lot out of those tapes and relating to Greg. I began corresponding with Greg after leaving there. I left my church in Danville in 79, joining the Navy, and Greg referred me to an “understanding and supportive” Navy Chaplain if I should ever need someone to reach out to. In bootcamp I like many wondered why on earth I had done such a thing, joining the military and considered turning myself in for being gay just to get out. I wrote this Chaplain who came to visit me from another base. He was nice and kind and supportive and invited me to visit his family/wife/kids and Chapel on his base when I was through with basic training. Little did my naive mind realize that he too was as gay as the proverbial goose until I ran into him at the gay bar in San Diego in the coming months. He also tried to pick up my best friend from basic training. This behavior continued when the Chaplain and I were stationed in Japan together. He couldn’t keep his hands off of men, was placed under official investigation etc. It was during that time frame that I found out that my former minister at home was caught with his hands in the cookie jar.
Apparently Greg Reid and his ministry to gay’s and the Ex-Gay ministry also ended but don’t know the complete story their but I tracked him down just a few months ago actually. I emailed him in El Paso, I don’t know if he actually remembered me of course, but he was not that friendly to me. I asked him some pointed questions about some things, told him I was happily gay and not trying to be an Ex-gay. He is working with youth and helping fight cults in churches? He wouldn’t answer my questions and when I asked him was I too dirty now for him he said no he was fighting to keep his job and I never heard from him again.
Thank you also, Don, for that information about Greg Reid, who ran the EAGLE (Ex-Active-Gay-Liberated-Eternally) ministry. I’ve often wondered what happened to him after I read references to him in the late Sylvia Pennington’ book “Ex-Gays? There Are None!”
The reason why I was interested was that some critics of the “ex-gay” movement maintained that, after EAGLE folded up, Reid renounced the “ex-gay” philosophy and became “ex-ex-gay”, while the movement’ defenders denied this but either couldn’t or wouldn’t say exactly what became of him. A Google search told me that there was a Greg Reid who was involved in an anti-cult and anti-occult organization, but you are the first to confirm that he is indeed the Greg Reid of EAGLE.
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Very, very brave!
I so admire your courage.
In never ceases to cause me such pain that some who call themselves Christian, do nothing but hurt those they say they show Christ’s ‘love’.
Patrick – you are loved and God likes you and trusts you to live a full and whole life as you are created.
I hope you have good support around you now and wish you every blessing.
If it’s not inappropriate – you also need to know that you are really cute, honest and brave.
Take care and take it easy!
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