Comments on: Silence In the Face of Scandal http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/09/4068/ Fighting antigay lies and the ex-gay myth Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:56:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Truth Wins Out - Michigan Now Protects Antigay Bullies AND Alleged Sex-Abusers http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/09/4068/comment-page-1/#comment-13600 Truth Wins Out - Michigan Now Protects Antigay Bullies AND Alleged Sex-Abusers Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:36:37 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=4068#comment-13600 [...] recent months. former ex-gay Patrick McAlvey has come forward to accuse Exodus member activist Mike Jones of sexually accosting him during [...] [...] recent months. former ex-gay Patrick McAlvey has come forward to accuse Exodus member activist Mike Jones of sexually accosting him during [...]

]]> By: Martin Knight http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/09/4068/comment-page-1/#comment-13586 Martin Knight Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:41:24 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=4068#comment-13586 Very, very brave! I so admire your courage. In never ceases to cause me such pain that some who call themselves Christian, do nothing but hurt those they say they show Christ's 'love'. Patrick - you are loved and God likes you and trusts you to live a full and whole life as you are created. I hope you have good support around you now and wish you every blessing. If it's not inappropriate - you also need to know that you are really cute, honest and brave. Take care and take it easy! Very, very brave!
I so admire your courage.

In never ceases to cause me such pain that some who call themselves Christian, do nothing but hurt those they say they show Christ’s ‘love’.

Patrick – you are loved and God likes you and trusts you to live a full and whole life as you are created.

I hope you have good support around you now and wish you every blessing.

If it’s not inappropriate – you also need to know that you are really cute, honest and brave.

Take care and take it easy!

]]> By: Truth Wins Out - Michigan State U. Hosts Website of Alleged Ex-Gay Predator http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/09/4068/comment-page-1/#comment-13560 Truth Wins Out - Michigan State U. Hosts Website of Alleged Ex-Gay Predator Sun, 20 Sep 2009 02:51:13 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=4068#comment-13560 [...] accusations that he sexually accosted a young male client and uses public property to promote sectarian religious bigotries, Mike Jones and his Corduroy [...] [...] accusations that he sexually accosted a young male client and uses public property to promote sectarian religious bigotries, Mike Jones and his Corduroy [...]

]]> By: William http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/09/4068/comment-page-1/#comment-13499 William Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:32:19 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=4068#comment-13499 Thank you also, Don, for that information about Greg Reid, who ran the EAGLE (Ex-Active-Gay-Liberated-Eternally) ministry. I've often wondered what happened to him after I read references to him in the late Sylvia Pennington' book "Ex-Gays? There Are None!" The reason why I was interested was that some critics of the "ex-gay" movement maintained that, after EAGLE folded up, Reid renounced the "ex-gay" philosophy and became "ex-ex-gay", while the movement' defenders denied this but either couldn't or wouldn't say exactly what became of him. A Google search told me that there was a Greg Reid who was involved in an anti-cult and anti-occult organization, but you are the first to confirm that he is indeed the Greg Reid of EAGLE. Thank you also, Don, for that information about Greg Reid, who ran the EAGLE (Ex-Active-Gay-Liberated-Eternally) ministry. I’ve often wondered what happened to him after I read references to him in the late Sylvia Pennington’ book “Ex-Gays? There Are None!”

The reason why I was interested was that some critics of the “ex-gay” movement maintained that, after EAGLE folded up, Reid renounced the “ex-gay” philosophy and became “ex-ex-gay”, while the movement’ defenders denied this but either couldn’t or wouldn’t say exactly what became of him. A Google search told me that there was a Greg Reid who was involved in an anti-cult and anti-occult organization, but you are the first to confirm that he is indeed the Greg Reid of EAGLE.

]]> By: Don Craddock http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/09/4068/comment-page-1/#comment-13498 Don Craddock Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:55:27 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=4068#comment-13498 I don't know anything about what happened to him after I called the reporter from Christianity Today and told him what I knew about the goings on in his apartment. He was dating a woman from the Episcop. Church there as well, who I really felt sorry for when all this came out about him. I recall calling and speaking to her in the months afterward. That was all so long ago it is all sort of hazy. While I was there I worked in the office at the Episcopal church with Guy, filing or whatever I could do to help out and was listening to tapes by Greg Reid of Eagle Ministries. I was really getting a lot out of those tapes and relating to Greg. I began corresponding with Greg after leaving there. I left my church in Danville in 79, joining the Navy, and Greg referred me to an "understanding and supportive" Navy Chaplain if I should ever need someone to reach out to. In bootcamp I like many wondered why on earth I had done such a thing, joining the military and considered turning myself in for being gay just to get out. I wrote this Chaplain who came to visit me from another base. He was nice and kind and supportive and invited me to visit his family/wife/kids and Chapel on his base when I was through with basic training. Little did my naive mind realize that he too was as gay as the proverbial goose until I ran into him at the gay bar in San Diego in the coming months. He also tried to pick up my best friend from basic training. This behavior continued when the Chaplain and I were stationed in Japan together. He couldn't keep his hands off of men, was placed under official investigation etc. It was during that time frame that I found out that my former minister at home was caught with his hands in the cookie jar. Apparently Greg Reid and his ministry to gay's and the Ex-Gay ministry also ended but don't know the complete story their but I tracked him down just a few months ago actually. I emailed him in El Paso, I don't know if he actually remembered me of course, but he was not that friendly to me. I asked him some pointed questions about some things, told him I was happily gay and not trying to be an Ex-gay. He is working with youth and helping fight cults in churches? He wouldn't answer my questions and when I asked him was I too dirty now for him he said no he was fighting to keep his job and I never heard from him again. I don’t know anything about what happened to him after I called the reporter from Christianity Today and told him what I knew about the goings on in his apartment. He was dating a woman from the Episcop. Church there as well, who I really felt sorry for when all this came out about him. I recall calling and speaking to her in the months afterward. That was all so long ago it is all sort of hazy. While I was there I worked in the office at the Episcopal church with Guy, filing or whatever I could do to help out and was listening to tapes by Greg Reid of Eagle Ministries. I was really getting a lot out of those tapes and relating to Greg. I began corresponding with Greg after leaving there. I left my church in Danville in 79, joining the Navy, and Greg referred me to an “understanding and supportive” Navy Chaplain if I should ever need someone to reach out to. In bootcamp I like many wondered why on earth I had done such a thing, joining the military and considered turning myself in for being gay just to get out. I wrote this Chaplain who came to visit me from another base. He was nice and kind and supportive and invited me to visit his family/wife/kids and Chapel on his base when I was through with basic training. Little did my naive mind realize that he too was as gay as the proverbial goose until I ran into him at the gay bar in San Diego in the coming months. He also tried to pick up my best friend from basic training. This behavior continued when the Chaplain and I were stationed in Japan together. He couldn’t keep his hands off of men, was placed under official investigation etc. It was during that time frame that I found out that my former minister at home was caught with his hands in the cookie jar.

Apparently Greg Reid and his ministry to gay’s and the Ex-Gay ministry also ended but don’t know the complete story their but I tracked him down just a few months ago actually. I emailed him in El Paso, I don’t know if he actually remembered me of course, but he was not that friendly to me. I asked him some pointed questions about some things, told him I was happily gay and not trying to be an Ex-gay. He is working with youth and helping fight cults in churches? He wouldn’t answer my questions and when I asked him was I too dirty now for him he said no he was fighting to keep his job and I never heard from him again.

]]> By: Joe http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/09/4068/comment-page-1/#comment-13496 Joe Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:31:10 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=4068#comment-13496 Contact the MSU board of trustees and tell them how university resources are being used for unethical and harmful practices: Office of the Secretary of the Board of Trustees Michigan State University 450 Administration Building East Lansing MI 48824-1046 Phone: (517) 353-4647; Hours: 8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. EST Fax: (517) 355-4670 Contact the MSU board of trustees and tell them how university resources are being used for unethical and harmful practices:

Office of the Secretary of the Board of Trustees
Michigan State University
450 Administration Building
East Lansing MI 48824-1046
Phone: (517) 353-4647; Hours: 8:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. EST
Fax: (517) 355-4670

]]> By: William http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/09/4068/comment-page-1/#comment-13495 William Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:10:06 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=4068#comment-13495 Don, that' very interesting information about Guy Charles. It' ages since I've seen any mention of him. Am I wrong, or wasn't his "ex-gay" ministry, Liberation in Jesus Christ, one of the oldest -- older even than Exodus International? According to Francis Mark Mondimore in "A Natural History of Homosexuality" (1996), Guy Charles, having been slung out by the church that had sponsored him in 1974 after his misconduct with aspiring ex-gays came to light, went on to found another "ex-gay" ministry which folded in 1986 for the same reasons, and then started yet another one in 1993 and was yet again accused of similar misconduct. Not the only "ex-gay" guru with a history like that, is he? It reminds me a bit of fraudulent Spiritualist mediums who, when they're unmasked, move to another part of the country and set up shop again. Don, that’ very interesting information about Guy Charles. It’ ages since I’ve seen any mention of him.

Am I wrong, or wasn’t his “ex-gay” ministry, Liberation in Jesus Christ, one of the oldest — older even than Exodus International? According to Francis Mark Mondimore in “A Natural History of Homosexuality” (1996), Guy Charles, having been slung out by the church that had sponsored him in 1974 after his misconduct with aspiring ex-gays came to light, went on to found another “ex-gay” ministry which folded in 1986 for the same reasons, and then started yet another one in 1993 and was yet again accused of similar misconduct.

Not the only “ex-gay” guru with a history like that, is he? It reminds me a bit of fraudulent Spiritualist mediums who, when they’re unmasked, move to another part of the country and set up shop again.

]]> By: Dos manzanas: Mantienen en su puesto al ‘terapeuta’ que se insinu?? a un joven al que ayudaba a convertirse en ‘ex-gay’. http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/09/4068/comment-page-1/#comment-13488 Dos manzanas: Mantienen en su puesto al ‘terapeuta’ que se insinu?? a un joven al que ayudaba a convertirse en ‘ex-gay’. Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:55:15 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=4068#comment-13488 [...] pesar de esta denuncia, Exodus International sigue apoyando y manteniendo en su puesto a Jones, seg??n denuncia la p?°gina de Truth Wins Out. Jones admite en su web que a??n tiene ‘tentaciones‘ y que sigue sinti?©ndose [...] [...] pesar de esta denuncia, Exodus International sigue apoyando y manteniendo en su puesto a Jones, seg??n denuncia la p?°gina de Truth Wins Out. Jones admite en su web que a??n tiene ‘tentaciones‘ y que sigue sinti?©ndose [...]

]]> By: Don Craddock http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/09/4068/comment-page-1/#comment-13485 Don Craddock Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:09:08 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=4068#comment-13485 The tactics, or treatment modalities are reminiscent of the month I spent in about 1977 with Guy Charles of the now long deposed Liberation Ex-Gay Ministry. I had been living at a place called Sonshine Farm in the Danville, Va area and was trying to overcome my homosexuality and be a Christian. My minister at the time had promised me counseling etc. which really never came about. I found out about Guy and his ministry, I think by reading an article in Christianity Today Newspaper. I went there in hopes of finding answers and a "cure." What I found was other men coming from different parts of the country seeking the same elusive cure. I had to fill out a long questionnaire asking me stuff that I was naive about and didn't even know what some of it meant at the time being from a small town, scat, fisting, among other things. My fantasies were among the questions I was asked to reveal, only to have them revealed to other members of the household in general conversation later on. Was this to humiliate me or to what? I brought an old Christian friend over that was struggling with his gayness, and before I knew it, he was laying up on the couch cuddling with Guy. Guy was a man in his early 60's or late 50's and we were in our early 20's at best. I knew this was not what it was proposed to be. I came home from wherever I had been one day to a "quiet house" and later found out that Guy and another of my newly made friends were in Guys' bedroom, involved in their own version of touch therapy. When I managed to figure out just what was really taking place after my friend told me what had occurred in the bedroom between he and Guy, I left, called the Christianity Today magazine and exposed Guy for the predator he was. His ministry and ties to the Episcopal Church in Falls Church that was sponsoring him soon unraveled. By the way, my minister back home in about 1981 was discovered to be sleeping with several of the deacons in the church and kicked out of the church. The tactics, or treatment modalities are reminiscent of the month I spent in about 1977 with Guy Charles of the now long deposed Liberation Ex-Gay Ministry. I had been living at a place called Sonshine Farm in the Danville, Va area and was trying to overcome my homosexuality and be a Christian. My minister at the time had promised me counseling etc. which really never came about. I found out about Guy and his ministry, I think by reading an article in Christianity Today Newspaper. I went there in hopes of finding answers and a “cure.” What I found was other men coming from different parts of the country seeking the same elusive cure. I had to fill out a long questionnaire asking me stuff that I was naive about and didn’t even know what some of it meant at the time being from a small town, scat, fisting, among other things. My fantasies were among the questions I was asked to reveal, only to have them revealed to other members of the household in general conversation later on. Was this to humiliate me or to what? I brought an old Christian friend over that was struggling with his gayness, and before I knew it, he was laying up on the couch cuddling with Guy. Guy was a man in his early 60′s or late 50′s and we were in our early 20′s at best. I knew this was not what it was proposed to be. I came home from wherever I had been one day to a “quiet house” and later found out that Guy and another of my newly made friends were in Guys’ bedroom, involved in their own version of touch therapy. When I managed to figure out just what was really taking place after my friend told me what had occurred in the bedroom between he and Guy, I left, called the Christianity Today magazine and exposed Guy for the predator he was. His ministry and ties to the Episcopal Church in Falls Church that was sponsoring him soon unraveled. By the way, my minister back home in about 1981 was discovered to be sleeping with several of the deacons in the church and kicked out of the church.

]]> By: Wayne Besen http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/09/4068/comment-page-1/#comment-13468 Wayne Besen Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:56:26 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=4068#comment-13468 Vegasguy: It is amazing how these predatory victimizers like to play the role of victims. They often seem to lack a conscience. Vegasguy:

It is amazing how these predatory victimizers like to play the role of victims. They often seem to lack a conscience.

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