No, God does not think something simply because one prooftexted sentence in the Bible says so. The Bible contains a variety of conflicting human philosophies. Portions of the Old Testament do condone rape and murder committed in the course of holy war against infidels. Many faithful Jews are smart enough to reject certain Biblical untruths; it’s a pity that some Christian Rightists are — by their own decision — dumb enough to blindly believe and obey immoral dictates.

You do not know the mind of God, Steven, so stop telling other people whether God approves of them. I hope that God’s ways are higher than your carnal and egocentric ways.

This discussion has drifted far off-topic and I am inclined to close it unless there are compelling objections.

By posing such absurd questions you’re giving validity to the underlying presumptions. You would never ask if heterosexual relationships are a “sexual feeding frenzy, full of lust” – what makes you think that’s a valid question about gay relationships?

I answered your questions, gay relationships are much the same as straight relationships, its bigotry of you to keep questioning the truth.

Sylvia said “I asked for information, for example, what stats can you provide, what scientific documentation do you have that backs up what you say or is it just “fanaticism”. I am not interested in talking to fanatics.”.

There aren’t any stats on the questions you asked Sylvia, as I pointed out, there is no such thing as a gay community that youth “join” – there can be no such thing as stats on that. The only fanatic here is you. Your tactics here are similar to me asking repeatedly “How many children have you sexually molested” and then should you suggest none for me to ignore your answer and say “what stats can you provide, what scientific documentation do you have that backs up what you say or is it just “fanaticism”. I am not interested in talking to fanatics.”.

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3. Presumptuous accusations
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So, does this mean that Janet is taking everyone on or she just doing her own thing and responding to the people who come her way? Can’t expect everyone to wear the same clothing or have the same haircut after all. And from reading one of the comments above, (from someone at Janet Boynes Ministries), it seems they (PFOX, Exodus, and the people at Janet Boynes Ministries) pray together: “we work together and pray for each other.”

Umm, again, based on the above, that Janet seems like a real menace to the “world”!

Further, what do you all think of this ex-gay now Catholic who recently got married? Have a look at his website, there are some real nice pictures of the bride and groom:

http://thesheepfold.typepad.com/

Don’t they look lovely??? I think he is a real blessed guy myself.

“This said…what does PFLAG do for parents of gays and lesbians? Do they tell them that gays/lesbians are born gay and that no change or responsible relationships/sex will ever be possible? How likely is it really that gays/lesbians will marry, not cheat on each other and stay together for life? For those who marry, (are they chaste before marriage, or is this not part of the gay lifestyle at all? Or is it basically just a sexual feeding frenzy, full of lust? No offence, just wondering, since everyone is open?)

Also, can you answer the following truthfully, how young are gay/lesbians youth when they go into the gay community, and where do they go and what do they do there?

Can someone answer these questions for me? TRUTH.”

I asked for information, for example, what stats can you provide, what scientific documentation do you have that backs up what you say or is it just “fanaticism”. I am not interested in talking to fanatics.

How young are straight youth when they go into the straight community? You see Sylvia, you have a lot of misconceptions about gay people and their community. Many gay youth will never “go into the gay community” – to them there isn’t one as such. Some may go to gay bars when they turn legal drinking age, but a gay bar is not the same as the gay community, to the extent that such a thing even exists. Gay and lesbian youth are being open about their attractions at younger ages than they used to, they may find gay or lesbian friends in high school and that is as much a community as anything else. Some may grow up in a family with an openly gay relative and thus may in a sense be part of a gay community from birth, just like straight children are a part of the straight community from birth. Some, due to the oppression of people like you may hide their orientation for a lifetime and never seek community with people like themselves, living a life of lonliness and despair. Thankfully as more and more people like yourself recognize the error of your ways there are fewer and fewer gay people like this.

They teach them how to deal with the hatred and oppression of people like you.

Sylvia asked “Do they tell them that gays/lesbians are born gay and that no change or responsible relationships/sex will ever be possible?”.

Of course not. It is the purveyors of the “exgay” myth such as NARTH that lie to gays and tell them they can never have responsible relationships/sex and that they can never be happy as gay people.

Sylvia asked “How likely is it really that gays/lesbians will marry, not cheat on each other and stay together for life?”.

The likelihood of them marrying depends mostly on whether or not they are allowed to. For those that do, the likelihood that they will not cheat on each other and stay together for life is the same or better than the liklihood that a straight couple will not cheat on each other and stay together for life.

Sylvia asked “For those who marry, (are they chaste before marriage, or is this not part of the gay lifestyle at all? Or is it basically just a sexual feeding frenzy, full of lust?”.

For those heterosexuals who marry, are they chaste before marriage, or is it just basically a sexual feeding frenzy full of lust?

There is no such thing as a gay lifestyle Sylvia, your romantic interest does not equate to a lifestyle anymore than it does for straight couples. You can’t tell anything about a gay person’s lifestyle from the fact that they’re same sex attracted.

Sylvia said “Truthfully, I do not see this evil. What I see, our parents who love their children unconditionally and are praying for them.”

Come on now Sylvia, the evil is apparent in your post itself. You come here spreading the lie that being gay means a lifestyle of unbridled lust, a “sexual feeding frenzy”. You’re lying about gay people, encouraging people to see them as evil – that’s anything but unconditional love, its not love of any sort.

Because you know what? Truthfully, I do not see this evil. What I see, our parents who love their children unconditionally and are praying for them.

My loved one told me in high school that she was gay. Living in a very small community it was not only a shocker but also no one really knew anything about this lifestyle. I was extremely deperessed and wondered where I had failed. A counselor told me God is a perfect Father and his children were in the wilderness for 40 years. He said you are not perfect and she has choices. So I worked on me. She is now 27, very successful job, still in the lifestyle, but I have learned to unconditionally love her, not her lifestyle. We have a very wonderful relationship and she knows exactly where I stand in belief about gay lifestyle. I believe what the word says about it. I love her and God taught me about loving her not her lifestyle and today she will call me about anything. I pray for her and I love her so much. It was a long and difficult road for me because I blamed myself. There is light at the end of the tunnel and I know God has His hand on her and I can do nothing to change another individual but me. God bless Nancy

by Nancy October 13, 2009 at 8:11 am

Boy oh Boy!!! Janet’s Ministries and PFox sound so hateful towards gays/lesbians!!! They are just so fierce and evil, just plotting against gays/lesbians night and day as the above letter from a parent from her blog shows. You are so right!!! This is the TRUTH. I am so glad we now have this site on the internet to help us blind folk.

This said…what does PFLAG do for parents of gays and lesbians? Do they tell them that gays/lesbians are born gay and that no change or responsible relationships/sex will ever be possible? How likely is it really that gays/lesbians will marry, not cheat on each other and stay together for life? For those who marry, (are they chaste before marriage, or is this not part of the gay lifestyle at all? Or is it basically just a sexual feeding frenzy, full of lust? No offence, just wondering, since everyone is open?)

Also, can you answer the following truthfully, how young are gay/lesbians youth when they go into the gay community, and where do they go and what do they do there?

Can someone answer these questions for me? TRUTH.