I’ve said it once, and I’ll say it again: Anti-gay organizations have a profound disrespect for their followers. It is accurate to conclude that they believe their flocks are stupid and can be counted on to not think for themselves. Thus, we see these sheep force fed obvious lies and distortions – and the membership of such anti-gay groups appear to eat it up.
To the point, the American Family Association put out a breathless article basically making stuff up about hate crimes legislation winding its way though Congress. According top the AFA:
Here’s what wrong with the “hate crimes” bill:
- AFA: It criminalizes thought. For the first time in American history, criminal penalties are being attached to thoughts, not actions. Perpetrators will receive extra punishment not for what they did but for what they were thinking when they did it.
FACT CHECK: No one will be prosecuted simply for what they think or say. The law only applies if violent action is also involved. One would think that a “Christian” group would approve of this – but apparently, the AFA is opposed to all efforts to stop anti-gay violence. Furthermore, hate crime legislation is not new, it has existed for years in several states and the federal level covering categories, such as race, national origin and religion. All the current legislation would do would add sexual orientation and gender identity these other categories. The AFA would have more credibility if it worked to strip religion from existing hate crime laws.
- AFA: It endangers freedom of religion and speech. Everywhere in the world “hate crimes” laws have gone into effect, they have quickly been used to harass, intimidate, silence and punish people of faith. Your pastor could go to jail if even a tenuous link could be established between a sermon on homosexuality and some act of violence.
FACT CHECK: According to the Human Rights Campaign, all but five states (Arkansas, Georgia, Indiana, South Carolina and Wyoming) have laws addressing hate crimes. Indeed, 36 states have hate crime laws that include sexual orientation. In these states – representing the vast majority of Americans – the dire warnings by the AFA have not come to pass. In other words, if you are an AFA follower, this group is lying to you and trying to scare you into giving them money.
- AFA: It destroys the American principle of equality under the law. It creates a judicial caste system, in which some victims get more legal protection than others. It actively discriminates against heterosexuals by giving them less protection in law than victims who engage in non-normative sexual behaviors.
FACT CHECK: As stated above, several classes – including religion – are already covered by state and federal hate crime laws. So, the only people suffering inequality are gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Americans who are not yet covered. The passage of this new law will change this injustice.
- AFA: In a devious maneuver by Democrats, it’s attached to a Defense Appropriations bill. Our military deserves a stand-alone vote on funding.
FACT CHECK: Attaching small measures to larger bills is the way Washington works. If the AFA has an issue with it, they can’t just speak up and whine when it is bill that will protect gay people. To do so reveals that AFA is a narrow special interest group with an anti-gay agenda.
The bottom line is, if I sent such inaccurate, anti-intellectual garbage to the Truth Wins Out membership, they would laugh in my face and quit the organization. Yet, the members of The American Family Association are continuously mocked and disrespected by the AFA – yet they keep sending money and support.
Folks, get educated and think for yourself, it will change your life.










Seems reminiscent of the Roman Catholic church, and the letter about to be released to their own constituency!
http://www.bilerico.com/2009/10/a_lethal_love_letter_from_the_catholic_bishops_of.php
Much like what Wayne says at the end, we would be sheep – or cattle – for the slaughter, were we to believe everything we read from these “camps.”
Thanks, Wayne, for exposing these ridiculously hateful, and hate-filled, groups!!!
wayne
can you guarantee mw that those hate crime
laws once they are in effect will absolutly
not be used to criminalize those who exersize
thier right to speak out against homosexuality.
the truth is that you can’t, no more than you
can guarantee that once gay marriage becomes
the law of the land, that pastors ministers
etc. won’t be prosecuted for refusing to marry
gays and lesbians. The truth of the matter wayne
and I think you know this is that there will
be attempts to use hate crimes legislation
and gay marriage laws in this way. the real
question is what will be yours and TWO’s
position once these things happen?
Thank you so much, CA furrball, for that link. It’s an excellent video. All GLBT Catholics should see it.
Brad, the hate crimes law currently covers black people and that hasn’t stopped the Neo-nazis and KKK from holding marches and denouncing blacks and jews to their hearts content. Obviously that is a guarentee that you won’t be criminalized for your bigotry against gays once they are included in this law.
The law also currently allows people of different religions or divorced couples to marry and yet no priest has been forced to marry a divorced couple or an inter-faith couple. The idea that they will be prosecuted for refusing to marry gays and lesbians is an evil lie and you are to be held in the utmost contempt for attempting to deny the children of gay parents the benefits of legally protected parents based on something that is guarenteed not to happen.
Brad:
Yes, I can guarantee it, because I have yet to meet one person in twenty years of activism who wants pastors imprisoned for speech – no matter how backward or bigoted the sermon may be. What you are spewing is complete and other BS – that comes from a combination of paranoia and an over-active imagination.
Brad, this point is not even debatable. One has to be utterly stupid to say otherwise. As I clearly pointed out, hate crime laws are already enacted federally and in the vast majority of states. The gloom and doom scenario you created (or parroted from hate sites) has not occurred. Period.
Again, this is not my opinion. This is not hypothetical. I am basing my statement on what has actually gone on in places where hate crimes have already been enacted – for decades.
Brad, please think for yourself and stop regurgitating lies that make you appear to be an ignoramus. You do your “cause” more ham than good when you make people disrespect you because you do not adhere to reality.
I am very saddened to see the gay community push/support Federal Hate Crime Laws – these laws have been a disaster in the European Union and Canada. Gays who think that this is great, because they will be included as official politically correct “victim groups” along with Latinos Muslims and the disabled (Sen. Harry Reid’s list of the victim groups) will soon find that large numbers of Latino and Muslim groups do not go along with toleration for gays and lesbians. There will be/is a huge backlash against these PC victim groups who area getting special hate crime protection rights – as regular Americans react with anger and horror about horrible crimes of assault, rape, murder that do not qualify as “hate crimes”, because only certain groups can be victims of hate.
I live in Chicago – we led all cities in the nation last year with over 650 murders. But few if any of these murders qualified as “hate crimes” – which can only be done by evil White, heterosexual Gentile/Christians.
Gee I guess since Chicago large numbers of murders weren’t “hate crimes” they must have been “love crimes”.
People, please get out of this cursed politically correct, cultural marxist view that America is the land of oppression. Take advantage of the freedoms and liberties available in American and the West, freedoms that are not there for people – definitely not for gays in most parts of the Third World.
Think Saudi Arabia allows gay and lesbian pride parades? Please do not attack our Constitutional Rights – the 1st Amendment, 4th Amendment or 14th Amendment.
Consider the great political program of gay Dutch leader Pym Fortuyn – a national hero, not one looking to end Western liberties in Holland.
Murder is murder
Assault is assault
rape is rape
All of these violent crimes should and must be prosecuted against victims of all races, ethnic groups, religions, sexual orientation.
When you demand special rights, special laws for your group, you are denying them to the rest of us.
Jack, I’m disappointed to see you defending special rights for race- and religion-based victims of hate crimes. They already enjoy protection under federal law, to the exclusion of gender- and orientation-based victims.
I’m also disappointed to see you dismissing the First Amendment, which prevents the United States from suppressing hate speech.
I’m disappointed to see you mischaracterize the consequences of hate-crime and hate-speech laws in other countries; you make our closest, free-est allies sound like Stalinist work camps.
And finally, I’m disappointed to see you airing strawman arguments about what LGBT people think, say, and do.
If you have something to say which is reality-based, by all means please do so.
Jack said “I am very saddened to see the gay community push/support Federal Hate Crime Laws — these laws have been a disaster in the European Union and Canada.”
Utter Rubish. These laws have worked out exactly as planned and there has been no problem with them – you lie.
Jack said “All of these violent crimes should and must be prosecuted against victims of all races, ethnic groups, religions, sexual orientation.”.
They already are and hate crimes laws in no way interfere with this. Two crimes are committed when a hate crime occurs, the one against the individual and the one which terrorizes the community to which the individual belongs. Hate crimes laws punish both crimes as they should.
Jack said “When you demand special rights, special laws for your group, you are denying them to the rest of us.”.
That’s a bold faced lie. No one is demanding special rights, the hate crimes law covers sexual orientation, straight people are protected by it just as much as gays are. If someone commits a hate crime against you as a straight person they would be convicted just as you would be if you committed a hate crime against a gay person. Neither you nor anyone else is denied their rights by hate crimes laws.