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Truth Wins Out today urged Congress to deny financial aid to Uganda if the country passes a draconian bill that would trample the fundamental rights of the nation’s gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender population. The Anti-Homosexuality Bill 2009 threatens sexual minorities with cruel and usual punishment for simply existing.
On Friday, four members of Congress wrote a powerful letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to express alarm over the proposed law.
“This egregious bill represents one of the most extreme anti-equality measures ever proposed in any country and would create a legal pretext for depriving lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) Ugandans of their liberty, and even their lives,” said the bipartisan letter, signed by Reps. Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisc., Pictured), Gary Ackerman (D-NY), Howard Berman (D-Calif.) and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.). “Particularly given the United States’ substantial contribution to Uganda through the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR), we believe swift action is necessary to ensure Ugandan leaders understand this bill is wholly unacceptable and antithetical to democratic values.”
Please THANK Rep. Tammy Baldwin for her support and urge her office to continue fighting against The Anti-Homosexuality Bill 2009 by e-mailing Amber Shipley
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Please THANK Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen for her support via phone call or letter and urge her to continue using her position in the U.S. House Committee on Foreign Affairs to hold Uganda accountable.
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Please contact the Ugandan Embassy and express your disapproval of the anti-gay bill:
His Excellency Professor Perezi K. Kamunanwire
Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary
Tel: (202) 726 4758
pkamunanwire@ugandaembassyus.org
BACKGROUND: Last week, the US pledged to give Uganda $246 million in aid. Truth Wins Out wrote members of the House Subcommittee on Africa and Global Health and the Senate Subcommittee on African Affairs today urging a reconsideration of aid to Uganda if the Anti-Homosexuality Bill 2009 is passed.
The United States embassy in Uganda spoke out last week against the Anti-Homosexuality Bill 2009, calling it a major setback in the promotion of human rights.
“If adopted, a bill further criminalizing homosexuality would constitute a significant step backwards for the protection of human rights in Uganda,” the embassy’s public affairs officer Joann Lockard said in an email. “We urge states to take all necessary measures to ensure that sexual orientation or gender identity may under no circumstances be the basis for criminal penalties, in particular executions, arrests, or detention.”
“We commend the Obama administration for standing up to injustice and tyranny against sexual minorities in Uganda,” said TWO’s Besen. “We hope that leaders in Uganda understand that their efforts to persecute GLBT people is a moral affront to core American values.”
Unfortunately, The American Free Press (AFP) reported last week, Ugandan Ethics Minister James Nsaba Buturo said the country would not relent, even as international protests mounted.
“They have come to me in great numbers and we are discussing it diplomatically but we are also telling them to mind their own business. They have no mandate whatsoever to come and say: ‘Your values are wrong, mine are right’,” he said. “We are really getting tired of this phrase human rights. It is being abused. Anything goes, and if you are challenged? ‘Oh, it’s my right’. Anal sex? Human rights. Robbery? Human rights. All sort of nonsense? Human rights,” Buturo said.
Asked about donor nations and human rights campaigners opposed to the bill, Buturo was again defiant, according to AFP.
“We have told those sources we are not going to compromise our integrity. And they are appalled. They cannot believe that Uganda says, on certain issues we are not going to sell our soul,” he said.
Truth Wins Out called Buturo’s attack on international concern disingenuous and untruthful.
“Uganda’s President Yoweri Museveni has allowed American evangelical groups to use his nation as a laboratory for socially conservative policies,” said TWO’s Wayne Besen. “So, it is outrageous and dishonest for Ugandan leaders to suddenly protest human rights advocates as meddling outsiders.”
According to Public Research Associates, Rev. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, is friends with Archbishop Henry Orombi and Pastor Martin Sempa, who are pushing for passage of this bill. While in Uganda in March 2008, Warren said that that homosexuality is not a natural way of life and not a human right.
The Fellowship, (aka The Family) one of America’s most powerful and secretive fundamentalist organization’s, converted Uganda’s President Yoweri Museveni to its anti-gay brand of Christianity, which is the “intellectual” impetus behind the anti-gay crackdown. The clandestine organization’s leader, Doug Coe, calls Museveni The Fellowship’s “key man” in Africa, according to Jeff Sharlet, author of “The Family.”
Last Spring, a U.S. delegation of anti-gay fundamentalists attended a conference in Kampala that pledged to “wipe out” homosexuality. Americans who were present include Don Schmierer, an Exodus International Board member, holocaust revisionist Scott Lively, and the International Healing Foundation’s Caleb Lee Brundidge.
“For the past decade, evangelical leaders in America have claimed that they love gay people,” said Besen. “It is time they back up their syrupy words with action. If they fail to act, they will be held responsible for their spread of ignorance and intolerance that helped light the fuse for this oppressive law.”
Truth Wins Out is a non-profit organization that counters anti-gay propaganda, exposes the “ex-gay” myth and educates America about gay life. For more information, visit TruthWinsOut.org.
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[...] the United States, four members of Congress wrote to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warning that the legislation had severe implications [...]
[...] also write to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and demand that she act upon Congress members’ appeals to her. Ask the Secretary to formally protest the Uganda legislation and to rescind aid to Uganda [...]
This has to stop. Now! No killings of anybody
I come from Uganda, and many of us, that is the common poeple never see that aid money. It is ofcourse being used up in the corrupt circles of the government. But some of people dont really care anymore. So I guess many of us dont care about the millions of dollars you are sending.We have to come to accept that is the way things are. I cant beleive for a country that is apparently a super power can use a cheap stunt of backmail.Simply because we are Africans doesnt make you better people or more enlightened. Infact I think the tables are being turned and time will only tell where everyone falls…
I feel sorry for Americans, you honestly dont know what is right and what is wrong anymore. You can not tell what is bad and good anymore.
America is going down and you all know it… Time will be my witness. There is no foundation anymore.
In country that thinks murder is legal, its stupid how abortion is now legal in the states.That country is full of alot of crap.
However, no one has the right to coerce my country into allowing immoral issues to be part of our law.
No one has stopped to ask why Bahati wanted the gays killed and which foolish gays in particular. The people that the bill wanted dead are people that force children below the age of 18 into anal sex and infect with them with HIV/AIDS. Honestly, if that was my child, I think I would want such a man dead.
Maybe there are better ways to deal with it.
Most Americans have completely lost their minds and are now deluded. How exactly do you think that two people of the same sex are in a marriage. Its simply disgusting! Marriage is between a man and a woman. By the way, if you all dont wake up as a country,I think generations ahead of you will begin marrying their dogs and cats. Look at what you are teaching your children.
I feel very sorry for you. You may think you have a lot because you have money and this stupid fad of democracy, but I beleive you have NOTHING, and the little you have is getting lost each day.
Sorry Americans. Good thing God is still with some of you, and for that reason, all things being possible with Him, and His Mercies, Maybe there will be healing in your nation.
Our country is by far one of the poorest in the world, its a PITY that many of us look up to you.Its really sad.
But this one thing, I know we are right.
NO one was born gay, that is a LIE. You are being decieved.
If you call yourself gay, wake up from your stupor, and seek God while He may still be found.
Let none of you bother to reply to me, I dont have time to argue with people with deranged and deluded minds.
May God show His Truth.
And Yes, I am a fundamental, if you would like to say. JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
There is only one TRUTH.
Facts are not truth, so everyone grow up.
Oy vey.
Hi, Enid.
To address your points:
1. We know the aid money is often funneled directly to corrupt leaders and often doesn’t reach the people. We hate that. However…
2. We DO send a lot of money, and not just us, either, but wealthy nations around the world, both through our governments, and through private initiatives, and a lot of it IS used to help people.
3. This has nothing to do with you being Africans. That might sound convenient, to play the “Oh, those mean Western countries just don’t understand us, they think they’re better than us” card, but it’s a lame argument. South Africa has marriage equality, and they figured that out all by themselves. So what’s Uganda’s problem?
4. America may be “going down” in your eyes, but it is still the most powerful nation in the world. Wishful thinking? But to say that the US is “going down” because of gay people, you’d also have to believe that Australia, Sweden, the United Kingdom, Ireland, Spain, Canada, Germany, Israel, and dozens of other nations which are MORE supportive of gay people than the US are “going down” as well. Surely you’re not suggesting something so ridiculous.
5. Abortion is not “murder.” But I’d point out that, in our country where abortion is legal, we have a far lower abortion rate than YOUR country, or really any other nation in sub-Saharan Africa. Perhaps when the procedure is safe, legal, and rare, and people are given all the real information (SCIENTIFIC information, not religious information), that leads to abortion rates.
6. As to “why” Bahati wants gays killed and “which gays” he wants killed, who gives a flying f*ck? Should we have asked which Jews Hitler wanted dead and why? Should we be asking which people in Darfur the janjaweed want to kill the MOST, and asking them WHY? For god’s sake, no.
7. The crap about gay men “forcing” children into sex and giving them AIDS is just a lie from your government. Your corrupt government, which keeps aid money from your people, remember? ALL human rights organizations involved in this can tell you that they’re just trying to scare you with that crap.
8. Again, Enid, they’re LYING TO YOU. Why? Because they think you’re stupid. Remember how they keep aid money from you and use it to enrich themselves?
9. Even if we did end up marrying our dogs and cats (unlikely, since dogs and cats CAN’T SIGN CONTRACTS, ENID), we’d be better off doing that than passing laws to kill off part of our population. Perhaps our moral fiber is stronger in the US.
10. If democracy is a “stupid fad,” I’d like to know why democratic countries are the most successful in the world, while countries with other forms of government are less successful. Answer that, Enid.
11. Science, something we also do a lot of in democratic nations, says that gays ARE born that way. The Bible is not a science textbook. In fact, it has little to say about the modern world.
12. You’d rather us not reply because you probably know you can’t rebut our arguments, since your comment really didn’t make any sort of case whatsoever.
13. You said that “Facts are not truth.” Read that back to yourself ten times and if it still sounds smart, then you probably shouldn’t bother attempting to correspond with us. We live in the reality-based community.
Oh, and one more thing, Enid:
14. Yes, we do have a right to use all the means at our disposal to stop people from trampling on human rights, to do everything we can to stop genocides, etc. Unfortunately, the United States does far too little of this.
Human rights don’t stop at national borders, and if you support genocide, then you know which side you’re on, and it’s not Jesus’s.
Good day.
Enid, the people the bill proposes to put to death, aren’t just “people that force children below the age of 18 into anal sex and infect with them with HIV/AIDS”, that’s just a smoke screen for the real target. The bill proposes life imprisonment for any innocent act of same sex sex between consenting adults and death for more than one act of same sex sex between consenting adults. The real targets of this bill are loving gay couples who are harming no one. The fact that western countries aren’t proposing such atrocities shows beyond a shadow of a doubt they are far more enlightened than the barbarians in Uganda.
Enid, you say that “many of us, that is the common people never see that aid money. It is of course being used up in the corrupt circles of the government.”
And presumably one of the corrupt purposes for which it is used in Uganda — and for which it is proposed that it be increasingly used — is pursuing, prosecuting, imprisoning and executing innocent gay people who are having consensual gay sex with other adults.
Sometimes there is no alternative to imprisoning people, but it’ expensive. Here in the UK the total cost of keeping one person in prison for a year is 31% more than my annual salary when I was a senior teacher. How much it costs in Uganda I don’t know, but it can’t be cheap.
All the more reason why nations who have a more civilized attitude to gay people should stop coughing up money to a government which is willing to waste money in this wicked way.
1. In my opinion, there is alot of hypocrisy written all over the so called aid money. If America knows that the money is not being used for the right reasons, why threaten to withdraw because of policies America doesnt agreee with.
2. I have no idea why donors send money to Africa. If it was indeed to help the poor, hungry and the like, and these donors know all the corruption of the African countries, why is that they still send the money? If they really care… But I doubt!
3. VERY LITTLE OF THAT MONEY IS USED TO HELP PEOPLE. It is used to buy cars, set up offices, run projects, pay salaries, by the time, it gets to the grass roots, its a joke. But ofcourse America will keep sending… and a few Africans will keep getting lucky.
4. The typical black African South African is facing the same problems. However as a country and the policies they use, I dont consider them as any other nation in sub saharan Africa. The country was run by white men for as long as any of us can remember. It has only experienced African leadership for only less than 20 years. How do you expect the real system to change in such a short time. Their GDP is higher than any other country in sub Saharan Africa. They are on a different course.
5. Reasons I know America is going down: social injustices, the economic melt downs, a population with hardly a moral compass, pride and many other reasons that I can not see but you can if you open your eyes since you live there.
6. But that is what history has shown us: they go up and they come down. Too bad America hasnt been there as long as the others or experienced as much direct control as the others. Roman Empire, the Persian Empire, Europe etc.
7. The gay issue is just a small bit of the cake, and really it is a fruit of the rot in the society.
8. This vice has existed for a long time, and its not new. The only problem in this situation is for a whole nation to make it ok, to condone it, to support it and make it legal. Disgusting. And people think there can be true Christians that are gay? For real?
9. ABORTION IS MURDER! I have failed to undersatnd as to how people’s hearts have grown so cold and selfish. The mother who is killing her baby was once like that. That is how we all started, all of us. It hurts that no longer matters.
10. For a country to promote abortion, its painful. Simply because the woman has rights? And the baby? And the child that would have been 10 years old today? ITS JUST NOT RIGHT, NOT FAIR AND PLAIN OLD COLD. If there is a country carrying out a genocide today, its America. Only that the victims can not speak up, can not fight for themselves, and they are silent, very silent. There is blood being shed… Alot of it.
11. Get your stats right about the abortion in both countries. I know its happening in our country but its not something we are proud of (unlike you), and any sane Ugandan mother will try to make sure her daughter doesnt kill her unborn baby.
12. There is a difference between the death penalty and genocide. You know better than me, English is not my mother tongue. You make it sound like the man who rapes a teenager and infects with AIDS is not a killer since he is gay.
13. YOU ARE NOT HERE. These things happen. The gays in Uganda are playing alot of you for fools. They want money, sympathy and green cards so this is a very welcome card for them to play. So go ahead and support them, but dont try to put pressure on this country because it is doing what is right for it. Did Uganda ever raise an opinion when America legalises gay marriages?
14. So wake up, its not a lie. I am here and I am seeing it happen.
15. WE ARE NOT STUPID. WE KNOW WHEN THE GOVERNMENTS ARE LYING TO US, AND THEY KNOW THAT WE KNOW! But they also know that we dont have enough power to fight the corruption.
16. Dont day dream an answer and tell me it works, till you tell me you have had experience of being a Ugandan citizen for more than two years. Ok?
17. Flash back! 300 years ago, did any American ever think that their children would think its ok for two men get married. No, I dont think so. For a country that would like to think its foundations are on the laws of God, you have never been so far away from the truth! You think a deluded mind that has believed a lie will fail to find a way to get a cat or dog to sign a contract. Just you wait and see… and it will be legal. I think they will use paw prints.
18. Democracy is just a fad for our generation. See the big picture, raise your eyes above where you come from. Not all successful countries were using democracy. Look at Europe in its grandest days! There was no democracy. The Romans..The Greeks, The Egyptians.
19. I dont think democracy really works because the majority is not always right, hardly infact. Look at what is happening in your country. I dont think your country is as successful as you would like to think. Success is not some people having money, and stuff. That is just material, and it fleeces away. Success is so much more than everyone doing what they want. I have not seen a truly successful country in the world. There is none! Open your eyes. There is so much disarray there.
20. Freedom without any rules is a prisoner itself. Take an example of divorce (between man and woman). The world has never had more freedom to divorce than now, why is that there is more lack of freedom to be happy and fulfilled in a marriage.
It’s somebody else’s turn. I did the point-by-point rebuttal of the idiocy last night.
Mike? Wayne?
Anybody who’s in the mood to argue with somebody who’s deluded into thinking that gay men run around raping teenagers in order to give them AIDS, or with somebody who thinks that singling out an entire class of people to be subject to the death penalty isn’t genocide?
If nobody else does it, I’ll do it tomorrow, but right now I’m engaged in the extremely homosexual behavior of downloading live music, you know, because I’m so scary, so threatening.
Hey Enid: BOO!
21. And the science that says being gay is a learned behaviour? Please go and do your own research with a mind ready to learn and dont simply look for things that you want to hear. Now there is something that you think is a fact, because some scientist said so. However much someone tries to explain to you, its your fact. But your grandparents, lets say 5 generations ago would say that is not a fact. They would know that being gay is a habit someone picks up, maybe from T.V, friends, internet etc. No one is born gay! Thats hogwash.
BUT ITS NOT THE TRUTH THAT SOMEONE IS BORN GAY! JUST NOT THE TRUTH! Now that is the difference between them. Truth stands the test of time and it doesnt change through the generations and can not be denied by anyone or refuted by anyone. I hope you can open your mind and think beyond yourself.
TRUTH IS TRUTH.
22. IF YOU ACTUALLY READ THE BIBLE, BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO READ THE BIBLE, YOU WOULD KNOW IT SAYS EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS SO CALLED MODERN WORLD. AND IT PREDICTED EVERYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN. TRY AND READ IT.
PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE A REBELLIOUS SPIRIT, AND WOULD RATHER BE A SLAVE OF SIN THAN A SLAVE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND. BUT THAT IS YOUR CHOICE, AND WE ALL CHOOSE. MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON ALL OF US AND SAVE US.
23. Your reply was provoking and bordering personal, which is why I didnt want any. There are hardly any people out there that know people can disagree without being personal. You make sound like someone gains something from corresponding with people in your country. Huh? What a joke! No one gets a thing from commenting here, its just a way to pass time.
24. Priya, if you read the bill you would see those were the targets, the men looking to kill innocent children. The death penalty was removed, or is it still under discussion owing to uncalled for pressure.
Cut us some slack! You people are so judgemental, and its all based on subjective opinions! Its hypocritical even. You had the death penalty in your country for so long. Now that its being proposed for a different cause for something you think is fine (men infecting boys with HIV by forcing them into anal sex) and we know is not… Ugandans become barbarians. Yeah right!
25. If being enlightened is deeming being gay legal, then I would rather be a Ugandan.
26. The cost to do all that is not much compared to what will happen to our country the moment these people are given ‘rights’. I know there are donations from your countries, but please remember we pay taxes here. By the way, a good part of the donations end right back in the peockets of the donors. Crazy world we live in.
There is no way anyone other than a Ugandan citizen can be aware of our society and what has helped us survive till now. Its not right for a country, not living in reality of this situation to act like its knows best because a few selfish individuals are looking for attention and green cards. The reality in America is no longer realistic, my opinion drawn from the results I see in your country, the loneliness, the obesity, the gay legalistion, the abortion, the suicide, the wayward children and teenagers, the drug abuse, the alcoholism, the insanity, the broken homes, the idol worship of people and things, the heresies in your churches, the lost church, the killings, the racism, the homelessness, the failing economy, a society racked with debt, the crime etc etc.
Yes, every country has problems, but America’s has alot of them to deal with for a superpower.
But you are successful you say, anyway, it LOOKS LIKE you have money.
We are developing nation, the world may end when we havent developed, but that is ok. Its too bad few of my country mates know that we dont have to be like you to be happy, but those are their problems.
I am sure its hard for you to see things outside your American dream box, because first of all, its a very comfortable one right now.
Hope I have answered all your questions. Please dont ever think you are the only people that think.
As far as I know, when it comes to discussion between America and Uganda as nations, we will always be on a disadvatage, so its not lame to say I used the card that we are a nation with a very low GDP. It is what it is.
OVER AND OUT! FOR GOD AND MY COUNTRY. MAY GOD HELP US ALL
This is too stupid to pass up:
“21. And the science that says being gay is a learned behaviour? Please go and do your own research with a mind ready to learn and dont simply look for things that you want to hear. Now there is something that you think is a fact, because some scientist said so. However much someone tries to explain to you, its your fact. But your grandparents, lets say 5 generations ago would say that is not a fact. They would know that being gay is a habit someone picks up, maybe from T.V, friends, internet etc. No one is born gay! Thats hogwash.
BUT ITS NOT THE TRUTH THAT SOMEONE IS BORN GAY! JUST NOT THE TRUTH! Now that is the difference between them. Truth stands the test of time and it doesnt change through the generations and can not be denied by anyone or refuted by anyone. I hope you can open your mind and think beyond yourself.
TRUTH IS TRUTH.”
Your grandparents would be f*cking idiots with no understanding of modern science.
Perhaps you have to live in a developed nation to understand.
Enid, how do you feel about the fact that most of the American religious leaders who brainwashed your country are now condemning the legislation?
You see, religious extremists live everywhere, but in the US, even our extremists know that there’s a level you don’t cross, that they can’t advocate for barbarian cruelty like that being proposed in your country.
They’re all having to issue embarrassed condemnations, because they’re being shamed by their own faith communities.
Again, maybe we just have a stronger moral compass.
One more thing, and then I’ll deal with your other points tomorrow if I feel like it.
The abortion rate in Uganda is more than twice the rate in the United States.
Facts are facts. You are not entitled to discard the ones you don’t like. For a fact to be a fact, you have to have proof. You have little proof for anything you’ve said on this site.
We, on the other hand, do have proof.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/gpr/09/1/gpr090102.html
Amongst other incoherent rants Enid said “if you read the bill you would see those were the targets, the men looking to kill innocent children. The death penalty was removed, or is it still under discussion owing to uncalled for pressure.”.
No, it was not removed Enid, it calls for life imprisonment for one innocent act of same sex sex and the death penalty for more than one such act. David Bahati has come out recently and stated unequivocally that under no circumstances will he remove the death penalty or modify this bill in any way to prevent the persecution of innocent gays.
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/12/17895#comments
You’re telling lies to disguise the true reason for this bill which is to oppress and kill loving gay couples. Not only are you a barbarian, you’re a lying barbarian.
Enid said “Cut us some slack! You people are so judgemental, and its all based on subjective opinions! Its hypocritical even. You had the death penalty in your country for so long. Now that its being proposed for a different cause for something you think is fine (men infecting boys with HIV by forcing them into anal sex) and we know is not… Ugandans become barbarians.”.
Your outrageous lies impress no one – no one said it is fine for anyone to rape another and infecit them with HIV. We don’t believe that and we never said that. You’re just using that as a smoke screen to cover up the barbaric aspect of this bill which would see one innocent act of same sex sex punished with life imprisonment and more than one act punished with the death penalty. Cut you some slack!? You’re insane, there’s nothing subjective about this, its just plain evil to execute those who are harming no one, and that’s what this bill is about. We haven’t had the death penalty in my country for almost 50 years and when we did we most certainly never applied it to people committing the harmless act of same sex sex. You’re evil, despicable, and lying about the true nature of this bill and our opposition to it in an unholy attempt to deceive people into supporting a grave injustice against innocent people.
Regarding Enid’s frothing-at-the-mouth idiocy that gayness is a learned behavior:
Enid, if this bill was solely about punishing HIV positive child rapers whether or not gayness is a learned behavior would be irrelevant to this discussion. You only bring it up because despite your lies about this bill not being strictly about destroying gays, that IS what it is really about for you. If this bill was solely about punishing those that would infect children by raping them, it wouldn’t only single out same sex rape, it would punish a man raping a girl in the same way. It doesn’t, because it is not at all about punishing those who would rape and infect children, its about destroying gays and creating the false impression that gays are child rapers and heterosexuals are not.
The fact is, its irrelevant whether or not gayness is a learned behavior or a choice. Behaviors or choices that harm no one must never be punished in a moral and just society, the kind of society you don’t have in Uganda.
But what do we know, Priya, we’re just residents of the world’s most powerful and successful democracy.
Right Evan. Go Canada!
Haha, I didn’t know you were Canadian.
EITHER WAY, THE POINT STANDS.
:)
The progressive democracies are making progress on this issue, while the others are regressing.
Agreed, Evan.
to address evan’s point,
show me the proof that people are born gay, show
me the studies that bear that out. the truth is
that you can’t, because there is no proof and
no irrefutable studies to back the born gay myth.
it is irresposible for you to claim that people
are born gay when it has not been conclusivley
proven scientifically. and by the way abortion
is murder. what else can you call it when
the heart is stopped and the brain stops
functioning? I’ll bet most of you that post here
are against the death penalty, how hypocritical,
when you execute some one, you are stopping thier
heart and causing thier brain to cease functioning.
murder is murder and killing is killing!
Brad, you’re using unscientific language.
No scientific study is “irrefutable.” But there are no credible studies out there that refute all the evidence that points to homosexuality being inborn. I don’t need to search all the studies for you. If you had an open mind, you could visit Google for yourself. If you need the URL, let me know.
And no, abortion is not murder. It’s a fetus, and it’s really gross that you people think that undeveloped fetuses should have more rights than human women. But then again, your side has always been misogynistic. It’s in your blood.
Brad, a whole raft of studies have suggested that gayness is due to primarily biological factors.
Studies show that males are more likely to be gay the more older brothers they have, women with same chromosone deactivation are more likely to have gay sons, gayness is correlated with hair whorls, finger length, finger print patterns, gay men respond to pheremones like straight women, gay men and straight women have similar mental abilities while lesbians and straight men have similar mental abilities, brain structures related to sexuality are similar in size in gay men and straight women and similar in lesbians and straight men, eyeblink rates are similar between straight men and lesbians and similar between straight women and gay men.
Taken apart none of these may provide conclusive proof that gayness is biologically determined, but taken together they paint a picture of the biology of gayness that is extremely hard to refute. This is why the vast majority of scientists accept that gayness is largely an inborn trait. The tired old anti-gay theory of distant fathers causing gayness has no evidence whatsoever backing it up and has been rejected by every mainstream professional psychological organization.
Brad:
Since you obviously choose to bury your head in the sand and live in denial, I will help get you started.
http://www.truthwinsout.org/biological-research/
People are gay. It is one of many differences in humanity. The idea that we are diverse in every way – except our sexuality – is absurd on its face. Only the brainwashed would believe such obvious nonsense.