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	<description>Fighting antigay lies and the ex-gay myth</description>
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		<title>By: Wayne Besen</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/11/4491/comment-page-1/#comment-15158</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Besen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad:

Since you obviously choose to bury your head in the sand and live in denial, I will help get you started.

http://www.truthwinsout.org/biological-research/

People are gay. It is one of many differences in humanity. The idea that we are diverse in every way - except our sexuality - is absurd on its face. Only the brainwashed would believe such obvious nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad:</p>
<p>Since you obviously choose to bury your head in the sand and live in denial, I will help get you started.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.truthwinsout.org/biological-research/" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthwinsout.org/biological-research/</a></p>
<p>People are gay. It is one of many differences in humanity. The idea that we are diverse in every way &#8211; except our sexuality &#8211; is absurd on its face. Only the brainwashed would believe such obvious nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/11/4491/comment-page-1/#comment-15155</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, a whole raft of studies have suggested that gayness is due to primarily biological factors.
Studies show that males are more likely to be gay the more older brothers they have, women with same chromosone deactivation are more likely to have gay sons, gayness is correlated with hair whorls, finger length, finger print patterns, gay men respond to pheremones like straight women, gay men and straight women have similar mental abilities while lesbians and straight men have similar mental abilities, brain structures related to sexuality are similar in size in gay men and straight women and similar in lesbians and straight men, eyeblink rates are similar between straight men and lesbians and similar between straight women and gay men. 

Taken apart none of these may provide conclusive proof that gayness is biologically determined, but taken together they paint a picture of the biology of gayness that is extremely hard to refute. This is why the vast majority of scientists accept that gayness is largely an inborn trait.  The tired old anti-gay theory of distant fathers causing gayness has no evidence whatsoever backing it up and has been rejected by every mainstream professional psychological organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, a whole raft of studies have suggested that gayness is due to primarily biological factors.<br />
Studies show that males are more likely to be gay the more older brothers they have, women with same chromosone deactivation are more likely to have gay sons, gayness is correlated with hair whorls, finger length, finger print patterns, gay men respond to pheremones like straight women, gay men and straight women have similar mental abilities while lesbians and straight men have similar mental abilities, brain structures related to sexuality are similar in size in gay men and straight women and similar in lesbians and straight men, eyeblink rates are similar between straight men and lesbians and similar between straight women and gay men. </p>
<p>Taken apart none of these may provide conclusive proof that gayness is biologically determined, but taken together they paint a picture of the biology of gayness that is extremely hard to refute. This is why the vast majority of scientists accept that gayness is largely an inborn trait.  The tired old anti-gay theory of distant fathers causing gayness has no evidence whatsoever backing it up and has been rejected by every mainstream professional psychological organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, you&#039;re using unscientific language.

No scientific study is &quot;irrefutable.&quot;  But there are no credible studies out there that refute all the evidence that points to homosexuality being inborn.  I don&#039;t need to search all the studies for you.  If you had an open mind, you could visit Google for yourself.  If you need the URL, let me know.  

And no, abortion is not murder.  It&#039;s a fetus, and it&#039;s really gross that you people think that undeveloped fetuses should have more rights than human women.  But then again, your side has always been misogynistic.  It&#039;s in your blood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, you&#8217;re using unscientific language.</p>
<p>No scientific study is &#8220;irrefutable.&#8221;  But there are no credible studies out there that refute all the evidence that points to homosexuality being inborn.  I don&#8217;t need to search all the studies for you.  If you had an open mind, you could visit Google for yourself.  If you need the URL, let me know.  </p>
<p>And no, abortion is not murder.  It&#8217;s a fetus, and it&#8217;s really gross that you people think that undeveloped fetuses should have more rights than human women.  But then again, your side has always been misogynistic.  It&#8217;s in your blood.</p>
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		<title>By: brad anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to address evan&#039;s point,
show me the proof that people are born gay, show
me the studies that bear that out.  the truth is
that you can&#039;t, because there is no proof and
no irrefutable studies to back the born gay myth.
it is irresposible for you to claim that people
are born gay when it has not been conclusivley
proven scientifically.  and by the way abortion
is murder.  what else can you call it when
the heart is stopped and the brain stops 
functioning?  I&#039;ll bet most of you that post here
are against the death penalty, how hypocritical,
when you execute some one, you are stopping thier
heart and causing thier brain to cease functioning.
murder is murder and killing is killing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to address evan&#8217;s point,<br />
show me the proof that people are born gay, show<br />
me the studies that bear that out.  the truth is<br />
that you can&#8217;t, because there is no proof and<br />
no irrefutable studies to back the born gay myth.<br />
it is irresposible for you to claim that people<br />
are born gay when it has not been conclusivley<br />
proven scientifically.  and by the way abortion<br />
is murder.  what else can you call it when<br />
the heart is stopped and the brain stops<br />
functioning?  I&#8217;ll bet most of you that post here<br />
are against the death penalty, how hypocritical,<br />
when you execute some one, you are stopping thier<br />
heart and causing thier brain to cease functioning.<br />
murder is murder and killing is killing!</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/11/4491/comment-page-1/#comment-15152</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, Evan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Evan.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, I didn&#039;t know you were Canadian.

EITHER WAY, THE POINT STANDS.

:)

The progressive democracies are making progress on this issue, while the others are regressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, I didn&#8217;t know you were Canadian.</p>
<p>EITHER WAY, THE POINT STANDS.</p>
<p>:)</p>
<p>The progressive democracies are making progress on this issue, while the others are regressing.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right Evan. Go Canada!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right Evan. Go Canada!</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hurst</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/11/4491/comment-page-1/#comment-15148</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what do we know, Priya, we&#039;re just residents of the world&#039;s most powerful and successful democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what do we know, Priya, we&#8217;re just residents of the world&#8217;s most powerful and successful democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/11/4491/comment-page-1/#comment-15147</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Enid&#039;s frothing-at-the-mouth idiocy that gayness is a learned behavior:

Enid, if this bill was solely about punishing HIV positive child rapers whether or not gayness is a learned behavior would be irrelevant to this discussion.  You only bring it up because despite your lies about this bill not being strictly about destroying gays, that IS what it is really about for you.  If this bill was solely about punishing those that would infect children by raping them, it wouldn&#039;t only single out same sex rape, it would punish a man raping a girl in the same way.  It doesn&#039;t, because it is not at all about punishing those who would rape and infect children, its about destroying gays and creating the false impression that gays are child rapers and heterosexuals are not.

The fact is, its irrelevant whether or not gayness is a learned behavior or a choice.  Behaviors or choices that harm no one must never be punished in a moral and just society, the kind of society you don&#039;t have in Uganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Enid&#8217;s frothing-at-the-mouth idiocy that gayness is a learned behavior:</p>
<p>Enid, if this bill was solely about punishing HIV positive child rapers whether or not gayness is a learned behavior would be irrelevant to this discussion.  You only bring it up because despite your lies about this bill not being strictly about destroying gays, that IS what it is really about for you.  If this bill was solely about punishing those that would infect children by raping them, it wouldn&#8217;t only single out same sex rape, it would punish a man raping a girl in the same way.  It doesn&#8217;t, because it is not at all about punishing those who would rape and infect children, its about destroying gays and creating the false impression that gays are child rapers and heterosexuals are not.</p>
<p>The fact is, its irrelevant whether or not gayness is a learned behavior or a choice.  Behaviors or choices that harm no one must never be punished in a moral and just society, the kind of society you don&#8217;t have in Uganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amongst other incoherent rants Enid said &quot;if you read the bill you would see those were the targets, the men looking to kill innocent children. The death penalty was removed, or is it still under discussion owing to uncalled for pressure.&quot;.

No, it was not removed Enid, it calls for life imprisonment for one innocent act of same sex sex and the death penalty for more than one such act.  David Bahati has come out recently and stated unequivocally that under no circumstances will he remove the death penalty or modify this bill in any way to prevent the persecution of innocent gays.  

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/12/17895#comments

You&#039;re telling lies to disguise the true reason for this bill which is to oppress and kill loving gay couples.  Not only are you a barbarian, you&#039;re a lying barbarian.

Enid said &quot;Cut us some slack! You people are so judgemental, and its all based on subjective opinions! Its hypocritical even. You had the death penalty in your country for so long. Now that its being proposed for a different cause for something you think is fine (men infecting boys with HIV by forcing them into anal sex) and we know is not… Ugandans become barbarians.&quot;.

Your outrageous lies impress no one - no one said it is fine for anyone to rape another and infecit them with HIV.  We don&#039;t believe that and we never said that.  You&#039;re just using that as a smoke screen to cover up the barbaric aspect of this bill which would see one innocent act of same sex sex punished with life imprisonment and more than one act punished with the death penalty.  Cut you some slack!?  You&#039;re insane, there&#039;s nothing subjective about this, its just plain evil to execute those who are harming no one, and that&#039;s what this bill is about.  We haven&#039;t had the death penalty in my country for almost 50 years and when we did we most certainly never applied it to people committing the harmless act of same sex sex.  You&#039;re evil, despicable, and lying about the true nature of this bill and our opposition to it in an unholy attempt to deceive people into supporting a grave injustice against innocent people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amongst other incoherent rants Enid said &#8220;if you read the bill you would see those were the targets, the men looking to kill innocent children. The death penalty was removed, or is it still under discussion owing to uncalled for pressure.&#8221;.</p>
<p>No, it was not removed Enid, it calls for life imprisonment for one innocent act of same sex sex and the death penalty for more than one such act.  David Bahati has come out recently and stated unequivocally that under no circumstances will he remove the death penalty or modify this bill in any way to prevent the persecution of innocent gays.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/12/17895#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/12/17895#comments</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;re telling lies to disguise the true reason for this bill which is to oppress and kill loving gay couples.  Not only are you a barbarian, you&#8217;re a lying barbarian.</p>
<p>Enid said &#8220;Cut us some slack! You people are so judgemental, and its all based on subjective opinions! Its hypocritical even. You had the death penalty in your country for so long. Now that its being proposed for a different cause for something you think is fine (men infecting boys with HIV by forcing them into anal sex) and we know is not… Ugandans become barbarians.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Your outrageous lies impress no one &#8211; no one said it is fine for anyone to rape another and infecit them with HIV.  We don&#8217;t believe that and we never said that.  You&#8217;re just using that as a smoke screen to cover up the barbaric aspect of this bill which would see one innocent act of same sex sex punished with life imprisonment and more than one act punished with the death penalty.  Cut you some slack!?  You&#8217;re insane, there&#8217;s nothing subjective about this, its just plain evil to execute those who are harming no one, and that&#8217;s what this bill is about.  We haven&#8217;t had the death penalty in my country for almost 50 years and when we did we most certainly never applied it to people committing the harmless act of same sex sex.  You&#8217;re evil, despicable, and lying about the true nature of this bill and our opposition to it in an unholy attempt to deceive people into supporting a grave injustice against innocent people.</p>
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