Comments on: ‘Ex-Gay’ Mother’s Supporters Encourage Kidnap

By: N.V.B

N.V.B — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:51:42 +0000

The events that have unfolded do not surprise me in the slightest; I remember reading via internet the decision to award custody of Isabella to Jenkins and thinking ‘how much do you wanna bet that Miller will do a runner with the child?’ Reading about this has made me so sad and angry; I hope that Isabella is ok and that Miller does the right thing.

In the meantime, I believe that her lawyers and people involved in defending Miller, such as Debbie Thurman, know more than they are letting on. Discussion posts on the ‘Only One Mommy’ Facebook blog seem to have disappeared and there doesn’t seem to be any blog posts on Thurman’s blog before 2010. That seems like suspicious behaviour to me and I hope that someone looks into it.

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By: Ephilei

Ephilei — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:41:41 +0000

Arguing over semantics isn’t productive. We can agree to disagree.

By: Priya Lynn

Priya Lynn — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:38:54 +0000

Maybe she didn’t say anything prior to the event, but now that its happend she’s sending the message that she agrees with it and hopes Miller continues to defy the law. She may not be providing legal counsel directly but she’s doing it indirectly.

If you’re managing a transgender website that provides legal information then you are providing legal counsel as well.

By: Ephilei

Ephilei — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:09:28 +0000

@Priya

As much as I hate defending heterosexist behavior, I want to be fair and honest more. I think you misused her words and she rightly defended herself. A blog entry hardly constitutes “legal counsel.” I manage a website for Illinois transgender rights that includes legal information (genderadvocates.org) but I don’t think that qualifies either. “Counsel” to me refers to one-on-one correspondence. Maybe we have an honest difference in semantics. “Counsel” also implies the decision making process and we don’t have any evidence that Thurman said anything about kidnapping prior to the event.

There are so many better arguments against Thurman. In debate, it’s always good to ignore your weak arguments so your adversary has nothing to argue against.

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By: Priya Lynn

Priya Lynn — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:47:03 +0000

Ephilei asked “But where does Thurman admit to giving legal counsel?”.

Well, I don’t think she ever admits to giving legal counsel to Miller, but in her blog entry that is linked to above she openly praises Miller for kidnapping Isabella which is in essence legally advising her that its a good thing she’s done and she should continue to disobey the law – in other words, its a moot point as to whether or not she wants to admit giving legal counsel, because she’s doing so openly anyway.

By: Ephilei

Ephilei — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:32:22 +0000

@Emily

Good prediction! Her blog now has a “clarification” post about supporting Miller. Of course, she doesn’t say “I don’t support Miller’s kidnapping”, she just complains that other people are attacking herself.

But where does Thurman admit to giving legal counsel? I missed that.

I also think the Internet needs an addendum to Godwin’s law. “The first person comparing to the Founding Father’s automatically loses.” Who’s going to argue with Thomas Jefferson? O lover of faithful, same-race marriage?

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