It’s that time again, apparently.
No, not for movies or whatever, but (I think?) those are coming soon.*
Peter LaBarbera has been nominating people for his inaugural “Gay Grinch” award**. He’s picked all kinds of people, like our own Wayne Besen, some couple in California whose Halloween decorations aren’t to Pete’s liking, Rachel Maddow…just, you know, random people who have messed with Peter’s mind over the past year. Or whenever. The meaning of the Grinch reference isn’t clear, unless, in Peter’s mind, it’s actually the gays who have stolen Christmas. Anyway, it’s boring, who cares?
The point is that Joe Jervis (another Grinch nominee) is having his own contest, and unlike The Peter, Joe believes in deciding the winner democratically, so here are your choices for the Anti-Gay Douchebag Bigot of 2009:
Bishop Richard Malone
Carrie Prejean
Harry Jackson Jr.
Maggie Gallagher
Matt Barber
Peter LaBarbera
Pope Benedict XVI
Tony Perkins
Now, they’re all fame-seeking malcontents, obviously (especially Ratzi), so we don’t really want to encourage them, but this is funny, so GO VOTE.
*I know, I know, I need to turn in my gay card and be put on probation.
**Ceremony to be held at some hitherto unannounced bathhouse/leather convention, I presume. Stay tuned, I guess?
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evan
i’m sure gladd you brought up that california
gay couple. to refresh your memory, last year
they hung sarah palin in effigy, this year it was
carrie prejean hung in effigy and a mormon missionary
being burned at the stake. had that been a gay
person hung in effigy by a straight couple the straight
couple would be punished under the new hate crime
laws. you and your fellow activists have lamented
for years about hatred and violence directed at
gays, where is your condemnation of these acts
of hatred? I do acknowledge that peolple
like that gay couple do not represent the attutudes
and opinions of the majority of the gay community
and that most gay peolpe are good, and decent people
who have sincerly held beliefs and opinions
about homosexuality that are different than mine,
and i would never advocate or condone violence
toward them. by that same token, would you
acknowledge that iam not being hateful or
advocating violence by expressing my moral, biblical,
opposition to homosexuality? Just so you know
I have several gay and gay supporting friends
here in my town, and we can have good discussions
about homosexuality, and I have defended those
friends against a fundamentalist christian
group that i felt had crossed the line, so I
don’t think I am the hateful anti-gay person
you think I am. I hope we can have many open and
spirited dialogues without so much rancur (from
both sides) in the new year.
Comment by brad anderson — December 31, 2009 @ 3:50 pm
Actually, no, you don’t understand the law. The straight couple would not be punished under hate crimes laws. The fundamentalist Christian groups lie about what hate crime laws actually mean to scare people.
FAIL.
Comment by Evan Hurst — December 31, 2009 @ 4:29 pm
Brad said “had that been a gay
person hung in effigy by a straight couple the straight
couple would be punished under the new hate crime
laws.”.
Nonsense. The hate crimes enhancement only applies to violent crimes. If no assault or murder has taken place the hate crimes law cannot be invoked. You’re free to burn all the gays in effigy that you want.
Brad said “this year it was
carrie prejean hung in effigy and a mormon missionary
being burned at the stake.”.
I find it very hard to believe that gays burned a mormon missionary at the stake – let’s see some proof or a contrite retraction of that outrageous claim.
Brad said “by that same token, would you
acknowledge that iam not being hateful or
advocating violence by expressing my moral, biblical,
opposition to homosexuality?”.
To many gays the term “homosexual” is offensive. You’re not off to a good start when you claim you’re not being hateful but insist on using that phrase.
In any event you cannot claim to not be hateful or not be advocating violence if your expressing biblical opposition to those who harm no one.
The anti-gay passages in the bible were written by people who hated gays. When you repeat those ideas you’re merely accepting their hateful judgments and passing the hate along. Further the bible calls for gays to be put to death. You cannot seperate yourself from that when you claim your motivation to oppose gays is the bible. When Christians remove the calls to execute gays from the bible then they’ll have a little more credibility when they claim they aren’t advocating violence against gays. Until such time you don’t have any credibility at all.
Of course for virtually everyone I’ve encountered the bible is just an excuse to justify people’s hatred of gays. They’re actually motivated by the idea that gays are icky and because that idea sounds bigoted they invoke the bible as a facade to make it sound like its not their idea to condemn gays.
Comment by Priya Lynn — December 31, 2009 @ 4:41 pm
And yes, it’s hateful for fundamentalist Christians to feel the need to share their bigoted beliefs with people who didn’t ask their opinion.
It’s rude, it’s obnoxious, and nobody cares.
No one is interfering with your right to believe things that are patently false. You can believe the world was created 6000 years ago, you can believe there were dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark, you can believe Noah’s Ark is real, you can believe that all the suffering in the world can be attributed to a naked lady and a snake, and you can believe that LGBT people are going to hell. There is no evidence for any of those beliefs, not one iota, and there’s a ton of evidence AGAINST every one of them, but no one cares if you believe those things. But the second you try to impose your iron age worldview on other people, you become a victimizer.
Comment by Evan Hurst — December 31, 2009 @ 4:49 pm
priya lynn
you know perfectly well that i was talking about
a display where a mormon missionary was depicted as being burned at the stake not a real mormon missionary
being burned at the stake, by the way,
none of you have condemned those displays, so untill
you do step up and condemn such displays
of hatred from your side, I don’t see where
you have room to comlain
Comment by brad anderson — December 31, 2009 @ 6:31 pm
Who cares?
It’s free speech!
With the amount of anti-gay hate speech that is regularly thrown at the gay community by religious people, you’d think you’d realize that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
But no, instead, somebody puts up a holiday display you don’t like in a neighborhood you can’t afford to live in and you act like you’ve been wounded.
Grow up!
Comment by Evan Hurst — December 31, 2009 @ 6:36 pm
No, Brad, I didn’t know perfectly well what you were talking about, I thought you were refering to an actual missionary being burned at the stake just as you phrased it. I doubt it was an accident that you phrased it that way either – if no one called you on it, you’d have been happy to leave people with the impression that gays had murdered a missionary, and if you were called on it you could feign outrage at being misunderstood.
No I have not condemned any effigy burnings, on either side – they simply are of no concern to me. But that in no way equates my lack of condemnation with your act of revering, promoting, and distributing to children a bible that calls for the death of gays. Unlike you I haven’t been actively involved in promoting and distributing messages of hate and violence.
Comment by Priya Lynn — December 31, 2009 @ 6:49 pm
Tell you what Brad, you disassociate from and condemn the bible and I’ll condemn the effigy burnings. Until then you’ve got no right to complain.
Comment by Priya Lynn — December 31, 2009 @ 7:07 pm
grow up evan? we are talking about people
being hung in effigy here! somehow I don’t think
you would be so cavilier about this if it was you or wayne or some other gay activist being hung in
effigy, i think you guys would be howling like
wounded banshees. how hyrocritical! priya lynn,
hundreds of christians over the millinia have
been tortured and/or killed because they would not
“disassociate” themselves from the bible you
hate so much. so, knowing the price they paid,
how could I as a christian ever consider “dis
associate” form and “condemn” the bible? the
answer is I can’t and will not reject God’s
written word.
Comment by brad anderson — January 1, 2010 @ 5:55 pm
Um, yeah. Grow up.
Maggie Gallagher and Carrie Prejean cast the first stone. The fact that some couple in West Hollywood made mean Halloween decorations involving them is, you know, free speech. Here’s the difference between conservatives and liberals: Wingnut Teabaggers have been burning Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in effigy, and we note that, in the overall culture of Wingnuttia right now, violence is being encouraged and a culture of right wing extremism is being nourished, so we’re rightly concerned.
But you see, gays haven’t been killing/beating the sh*t out of straight conservative Christians. The, um, “hate crimes” committed against them usually involve saying mean things on the internet. Meanwhile, there’s a body count in the gay community, and it’s directly fueled by people like Maggie Gallagher. I love how conservative morons don’t really care when Matthew Shepard and countless other people are beaten/murdered for being gay (and even try to explain it away!), but the second a gay person does something mean, they all turn into sniveling crybabies. Sorry — the gay community is stronger than that. We don’t sh*t our pants every time somebody says something mean.
Comment by Evan Hurst — January 1, 2010 @ 7:19 pm
Brad:
No one is against the Bible – just your particular reading of it. If you strip out all the parts about love and caring for neighbors and empathy for fellow human beings – we’ve got Brad’s Bible.
What you have created, Brad, is a version of “Junk Food Jesus” – full of empty of calories and lacking genuine spiritual nourishment. Please, don’t confuse contempt for religion to a well-deserved disdain for your shallow version of it.
Indeed, you should abandon your bigoted, sophomoric version of God. It is bad for your soul. It is bad for this nation. It is bad for humanity.
God is love. Thus, you do not know God.
Comment by Wayne Besen — January 1, 2010 @ 7:25 pm
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