Throughout the controversy over Uganda’s “Kill the Gays” legislation, religious leaders who have played key roles in Uganda have, for the most part, been eventually shamed into condemning the legislation. However, one leader has been more reticent, leading us to believe that he’s really not all that ashamed of himself. Scott Lively went on Alan Colmes’s radio show on Monday night and said this about his contribution to the possible genocide:

Scott Lively, one of three evangelicals who went to Uganda at in 2009 to preach against gays, says he doesn’t support Uganda’ bill that would punish homosexuality by life imprisonment or death. Nevertheless, he said, on my radio show Monday night, it’ “a step in the right direction.” He refused to say that gays should get jail time, but said it should be treated as a we treat those who smoke marijuana. Yet, he refused to back off his “step in the right direction” comment.

Wow, Scott. It’s notable because even the most extremist anti-gay Christian leaders tend to back away from the idea that homosexuality should be criminalized at all. The leaders with a significant American influence are sworn to uphold their narrative that they love gays, but merely “hate the sin.” Perhaps because Scott Lively doesn’t have much influence in the West, and is only respected when he goes abroad into nations with a 14th century mindset (at least on the subject of sexuality), he feels much more free to air his true beliefs. This, after all, is a man who is filled with such an overwhelming hatred for gay people that he wrote a book claiming that gays played an integral role in creating the Holocaust.

Kyle at Right Wing Watch has posted the interview if you want to hear it for yourself.