Comments on: Globetrotting Anti-Gay Characters With Character Issues http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/03/7346/ TruthWinsOut.org is a non-profit organization that counters right wing propaganda, exposes the “ex-gay” myth and educates America about gay life. Sun, 05 Sep 2010 23:18:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: adrianT http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/03/7346/comment-page-1/#comment-18423 adrianT Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:41:01 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=7346#comment-18423 If Storm wants to find out about how biology - genes and hormones - influence sexual orientation, (s)he might want to read the following link: http://www.hum.utah.edu/~bbenham/2510%20Spring%2009/Behavior%20Genetics/The%20Real%20Story%20on%20Gay%20Genes.pdf As pointed out above, homosexuality has no detrimental affect on welbeing in society. It's no more abnormal or unnatural than any other non-reproductive sexual activity, which humans engage in about 99.99% of the time. It's also observed in hundreds of other animal species, and especially in our closest relatives, bonobos and chimpanzees. If 'Storm' has an aversion to homosexuality he he free not to engage in it. If it is harmless, he has no authority to interefere and dictate what should make others happy. I hope that settles it. If Storm wants to find out about how biology Рgenes and hormones Рinfluence sexual orientation, (s)he might want to read the following link:
http://www.hum.utah.edu/~bbenham/2510%20Spring%2009/Behavior%20Genetics/The%20Real%20Story%20on%20Gay%20Genes.pdf

As pointed out above, homosexuality has no detrimental affect on welbeing in society. It’s no more abnormal or unnatural than any other non-reproductive sexual activity, which humans engage in about 99.99% of the time. It’s also observed in hundreds of other animal species, and especially in our closest relatives, bonobos and chimpanzees. If ‘Storm’ has an aversion to homosexuality he he free not to engage in it. If it is harmless, he has no authority to interefere and dictate what should make others happy. I hope that settles it.

]]> By: Priya Lynn http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/03/7346/comment-page-1/#comment-18422 Priya Lynn Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:40:36 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=7346#comment-18422 Storm said " I do understand that gays say they cannot help their feelings, however, pedophiles say the same thing, does that make it ok?". Storm, the difference is that pedophiles are harming people, gays are not and yes this does make it okay. Storm said ” I do understand that gays say they cannot help their feelings, however, pedophiles say the same thing, does that make it ok?”.

Storm, the difference is that pedophiles are harming people, gays are not and yes this does make it okay.

]]> By: Jarred http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/03/7346/comment-page-1/#comment-18419 Jarred Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:22:20 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=7346#comment-18419 Oh, and as for what Christianity and the Bible teach about homosexuality, I would recommend you check out the documentary, "For the Bible Tells Me So." You might also want to check out sites like Gay Christian Network as well. After all, there's a huge range of thought on the subject even within Christian circles. Unfortunately, I can't help you much more on that topic. As a non-Christian, I don't find the Bible any more authoritative on such subjects than I find the Bhagavad Gita, the Havamal, or the Tao of Pooh. Actually, as a Vanic witch, I'm probably inclined to take the Havamal as slightly <i>more</i> authoritative. Oh, and as for what Christianity and the Bible teach about homosexuality, I would recommend you check out the documentary, “For the Bible Tells Me So.” You might also want to check out sites like Gay Christian Network as well. After all, there’s a huge range of thought on the subject even within Christian circles.

Unfortunately, I can’t help you much more on that topic. As a non-Christian, I don’t find the Bible any more authoritative on such subjects than I find the Bhagavad Gita, the Havamal, or the Tao of Pooh. Actually, as a Vanic witch, I’m probably inclined to take the Havamal as slightly more authoritative.

]]> By: Jarred http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/03/7346/comment-page-1/#comment-18418 Jarred Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:17:05 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=7346#comment-18418 Storm, No, homosexuality is not an illness. The APA removed homosexuality as a mental image a few decades ago based on extensive research into the matter. Other professional organizations have come to the same conclusion. In fact, the only organizations that continue to maintain that homosexuality is an illness are politically and/or religiously motivated organizations that rely more on personal bias rather than research. (Ironically, they accuse the APA of being politically biased despite the fact that it's the APA <i>that has the research data to back up their position</i>.) As for your insistence that gay people need help, I would ask you to defend that position. Why do gay people need help? Unlike a pedophile, they are not exploiting or using another individual. Unlike a crystal meth addict, gay people's lives do not suffer because of their same-sex attractions. I am a well-adjusted member of society who has made many contributions to my community in terms of financial support and time spent on projects that benefit others. The fact that I do so while enjoying an emotionally and sexually fulfilling relationship with another man is irrelevant. As for your claims about never seeing a gay animal, I would encourage you to do a bit of research their. Homosexuality (including life-long same-sex matings) have been observed in many mammals and even some other primates. If you are truly looking for a healthy conversation on this issue, I would encourage you to do a bit of research and let go of your preconceived notions in favor of the facts. Storm,

No, homosexuality is not an illness. The APA removed homosexuality as a mental image a few decades ago based on extensive research into the matter. Other professional organizations have come to the same conclusion. In fact, the only organizations that continue to maintain that homosexuality is an illness are politically and/or religiously motivated organizations that rely more on personal bias rather than research. (Ironically, they accuse the APA of being politically biased despite the fact that it’s the APA that has the research data to back up their position.)

As for your insistence that gay people need help, I would ask you to defend that position. Why do gay people need help? Unlike a pedophile, they are not exploiting or using another individual. Unlike a crystal meth addict, gay people’s lives do not suffer because of their same-sex attractions. I am a well-adjusted member of society who has made many contributions to my community in terms of financial support and time spent on projects that benefit others. The fact that I do so while enjoying an emotionally and sexually fulfilling relationship with another man is irrelevant.

As for your claims about never seeing a gay animal, I would encourage you to do a bit of research their. Homosexuality (including life-long same-sex matings) have been observed in many mammals and even some other primates.

If you are truly looking for a healthy conversation on this issue, I would encourage you to do a bit of research and let go of your preconceived notions in favor of the facts.

]]> By: Storm http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/03/7346/comment-page-1/#comment-18417 Storm Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:21:47 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=7346#comment-18417 Please forgive my ignorance, and by no means am I trying to offend anyone, but isn't homosexuality a sickness? I know it cannot be "normal". I don't think that gays should be descriminated against, however, I don't think that homosexuality should be accepted or viewed as normal. I think it is our responsibility as members of the human race to try to understand it's causes. Although HAFS may be approaching the situation wrong, I do think that research and treatment is necessary as with any "abnormal" behavioral conditions. I do understand that gays say they cannot help their feelings, however, pedophiles say the same thing, does that make it ok? No. They need help. Something has happened to them somewhere along the line. Whether it be incest/molestation, abuse, environmental influences, etc. Whatever the case, I think "normal" behaviors in humans can also be widely observed in animals. I've never seen a gay animal. As for the comment left by Wayne, I do not understand how this scripture from the bible addresses homosexuality. This is something else that I don't get- homosexuality and religion. Although I am not deeply religous myself, I always thought that Christianity clearly stated that homosexuality was wrong. What is the general understanding of this among gays and lesbians? Finally, Wayne is calling for gays and lesbians to oppose this program, but I see this as a person who has an addiction to crystal meth saying: "I can't stop, I don't want to stop anyway, this makes me happy, this is who I am, those stupid programs don't work anyway!" Again, I am sorry if my comments offend, maybe I just don't understand. I am looking for a healty conversation on this issue. It almost seems like a guilty pleasure. A Pandora's box that some just happen to open and many do not dare. Just so that I can understand better, if sex were eliminated, would you still be gay? Please forgive my ignorance, and by no means am I trying to offend anyone, but isn’t homosexuality a sickness? I know it cannot be “normal”. I don’t think that gays should be descriminated against, however, I don’t think that homosexuality should be accepted or viewed as normal. I think it is our responsibility as members of the human race to try to understand it’s causes. Although HAFS may be approaching the situation wrong, I do think that research and treatment is necessary as with any “abnormal” behavioral conditions. I do understand that gays say they cannot help their feelings, however, pedophiles say the same thing, does that make it ok? No. They need help. Something has happened to them somewhere along the line. Whether it be incest/molestation, abuse, environmental influences, etc. Whatever the case, I think “normal” behaviors in humans can also be widely observed in animals. I’ve never seen a gay animal.

As for the comment left by Wayne, I do not understand how this scripture from the bible addresses homosexuality. This is something else that I don’t get- homosexuality and religion. Although I am not deeply religous myself, I always thought that Christianity clearly stated that homosexuality was wrong. What is the general understanding of this among gays and lesbians?

Finally, Wayne is calling for gays and lesbians to oppose this program, but I see this as a person who has an addiction to crystal meth saying: “I can’t stop, I don’t want to stop anyway, this makes me happy, this is who I am, those stupid programs don’t work anyway!” Again, I am sorry if my comments offend, maybe I just don’t understand.

I am looking for a healty conversation on this issue. It almost seems like a guilty pleasure. A Pandora’s box that some just happen to open and many do not dare. Just so that I can understand better, if sex were eliminated, would you still be gay?

]]> By: Samuel Brown http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/03/7346/comment-page-1/#comment-18394 Samuel Brown Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:34:36 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=7346#comment-18394 Wayne, We have to somehow challenge our gay brothers and sisters who are imprisoned by these Anti-Gay delegations & individuals to really study the word of God for themselves without intimidation and to challenge these individuals who imprison our gay brothers and sisters; challenge them verse by verse and scripture by scripture as to what is the truth of the word of God in it's proper context verses their personal passionate Anti-Homosexual Traditional Religion. 1 Example: Mathew 19:11 (KJV) But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Eunuchs were men who did not have sexual relationships/marriage with women for various reasons that Jesus laid out... I believe that Jesus did address homosexuals in this same chapter as he addressed marriage. Wayne, I sincerely thank you and appreciate the work that you do to proclaim TRUTH. Samuel Wayne,

We have to somehow challenge our gay brothers and sisters who are imprisoned by these Anti-Gay delegations & individuals to really study the word of God for themselves without intimidation and to challenge these individuals who imprison our gay brothers and sisters; challenge them verse by verse and scripture by scripture as to what is the truth of the word of God in it’s proper context verses their personal passionate Anti-Homosexual Traditional Religion.

1 Example: Mathew 19:11 (KJV) But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Eunuchs were men who did not have sexual relationships/marriage with women for various reasons that Jesus laid out… I believe that Jesus did address homosexuals in this same chapter as he addressed marriage.

Wayne, I sincerely thank you and appreciate the work that you do to proclaim TRUTH.

Samuel

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