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	<title>Comments on: Peter LaBarbera&#8217;s Got An Issue With Something I Said, So How About I Explain It Further? (UPDATED)</title>
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		<title>By: Evan Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.

It&#039;s actually been argued before, by Amanda Marcotte, that the anti-gay slurs and lies propagated by Peter, Linda, Scott Lively, the authors of the Uganda bill, et al., are indeed a modern day permutation of the blood libel that was used for centuries against Jews.  They even both feature the &quot;they&#039;re coming after your kids&quot; meme, albeit in different ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually been argued before, by Amanda Marcotte, that the anti-gay slurs and lies propagated by Peter, Linda, Scott Lively, the authors of the Uganda bill, et al., are indeed a modern day permutation of the blood libel that was used for centuries against Jews.  They even both feature the &#8220;they&#8217;re coming after your kids&#8221; meme, albeit in different ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/03/7955/comment-page-1/#comment-19580</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a proud, contributing member to the SPLC and I am also a proud member and volunteer at the SIMON WEISENTHAL, Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles. It is a Holocaust archival and anti hate educational center. If Scott Lively had bothered to attend said institution, OR the Holocaust Museum in D.C.  or consulted with the Anti Defamation League (that recently lost it&#039;s founder), then Lively himself would know that he&#039;s committing an egregious act of serious proportions.

    To divert the blame and shame of the Holocaust TOWARDS a segment of it&#039;s victims IS an act of anti Semitism. It trivializes the menace and perniciousness of the very propaganda that LaBarbera and Harvey themselves deal in.
If any of these people really knew the history of Jim Crow, the Holocaust or the pogroms of Mao Tse Tung and so on, and they were TRULY good Christians besides, they&#039;d understand that any form of information that deliberately defames, demonizes a minority, and exploits fear and ignorance for the purpose of depriving that minority of basic, civil and equal rights: than LaBarbara DOES meet that criteria.

 And as Richard Rush points out, it&#039;s the RESULTS of anti gay activity that is acute, negative and direct.
The results are not theoretical and the very Constitution state or federal is now being used as a tool of discrimination exclusively against gay citizens.

     I&#039;m beyond offended that LaBarbera DOES complain. I DARE him to contact ME and I&#039;ll take him on a tour of the Museum of Tolerance. A place that I recommend to new LA residents and all my visitors.

    I&#039;m offended that Lively does what he does, and that Harvey and LaBarbera support him. They are ignorant, disgusting cowards playing with an important part of history they choose to have repeated because they feel safe it won&#039;t affect them.

     The things that Jews were blamed for, rings VERY similarly to what gay people are blamed for now. And gay people have paid the price in exactly what Mr. Rush has mentioned, just as Jews have as well.

   And just as similarly, Jews and gay people have been on the receiving end of the longest hatred known to man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a proud, contributing member to the SPLC and I am also a proud member and volunteer at the SIMON WEISENTHAL, Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles. It is a Holocaust archival and anti hate educational center. If Scott Lively had bothered to attend said institution, OR the Holocaust Museum in D.C.  or consulted with the Anti Defamation League (that recently lost it&#8217;s founder), then Lively himself would know that he&#8217;s committing an egregious act of serious proportions.</p>
<p>    To divert the blame and shame of the Holocaust TOWARDS a segment of it&#8217;s victims IS an act of anti Semitism. It trivializes the menace and perniciousness of the very propaganda that LaBarbera and Harvey themselves deal in.<br />
If any of these people really knew the history of Jim Crow, the Holocaust or the pogroms of Mao Tse Tung and so on, and they were TRULY good Christians besides, they&#8217;d understand that any form of information that deliberately defames, demonizes a minority, and exploits fear and ignorance for the purpose of depriving that minority of basic, civil and equal rights: than LaBarbara DOES meet that criteria.</p>
<p> And as Richard Rush points out, it&#8217;s the RESULTS of anti gay activity that is acute, negative and direct.<br />
The results are not theoretical and the very Constitution state or federal is now being used as a tool of discrimination exclusively against gay citizens.</p>
<p>     I&#8217;m beyond offended that LaBarbera DOES complain. I DARE him to contact ME and I&#8217;ll take him on a tour of the Museum of Tolerance. A place that I recommend to new LA residents and all my visitors.</p>
<p>    I&#8217;m offended that Lively does what he does, and that Harvey and LaBarbera support him. They are ignorant, disgusting cowards playing with an important part of history they choose to have repeated because they feel safe it won&#8217;t affect them.</p>
<p>     The things that Jews were blamed for, rings VERY similarly to what gay people are blamed for now. And gay people have paid the price in exactly what Mr. Rush has mentioned, just as Jews have as well.</p>
<p>   And just as similarly, Jews and gay people have been on the receiving end of the longest hatred known to man.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 01:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Adrian:

&quot;There is no point writing any of this if the nutbags and fanatics like Harvey and LaBarbera aren&#039;t hollering and ranting and raving and screaming about what you write. If they do not, then you have failed.

It is a pleasure to see them do this.&quot;

 -- I know, right?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Adrian:</p>
<p>&#8220;There is no point writing any of this if the nutbags and fanatics like Harvey and LaBarbera aren&#8217;t hollering and ranting and raving and screaming about what you write. If they do not, then you have failed.</p>
<p>It is a pleasure to see them do this.&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8212; I know, right?!</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 01:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually think it&#039;s a mistake to focus on Phelps too much, because there are far more mainstream figures within Evangelical Fundamentalist Christianity who are every bit as hateful as Phelps (and more)...like Peter and Linda.  ;)

Phelps is a dog and pony show who craves attention.  Peter and Linda actually think that they&#039;re following the example set forth by the Christ, which shows you how demented they really are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think it&#8217;s a mistake to focus on Phelps too much, because there are far more mainstream figures within Evangelical Fundamentalist Christianity who are every bit as hateful as Phelps (and more)&#8230;like Peter and Linda.  ;)</p>
<p>Phelps is a dog and pony show who craves attention.  Peter and Linda actually think that they&#8217;re following the example set forth by the Christ, which shows you how demented they really are.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 00:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Responding to adrianT;

Fred Phelps is not representative of Evangelical Christians. He  runs a small anti-gay cult. He needs
to repent. 

Regarding the passage below, I come from a Jewish background and I know that the passages have been taken out of context by the hateful and ignorant but Paul was
not a lunatic nor hateful. He was angry over the attacks
by certain Jewsish leaders who were hunting down and killing Christians as he also did before his conversion.
There is nothing about the &quot;eternal decendents&quot; of the Jews being guilty for Jesus&#039; death. That interpretation was invented by those who hate Jews. Paul&#039;s statements below are theological statements, not political statements.


1 Thessalonians 2:14 to 1614 

For you, brothers, became imitators of God&#039;s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own countrymen the same things those churches suffered from the Jews,

    15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to all men

    16 in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to adrianT;</p>
<p>Fred Phelps is not representative of Evangelical Christians. He  runs a small anti-gay cult. He needs<br />
to repent. </p>
<p>Regarding the passage below, I come from a Jewish background and I know that the passages have been taken out of context by the hateful and ignorant but Paul was<br />
not a lunatic nor hateful. He was angry over the attacks<br />
by certain Jewsish leaders who were hunting down and killing Christians as he also did before his conversion.<br />
There is nothing about the &#8220;eternal decendents&#8221; of the Jews being guilty for Jesus&#8217; death. That interpretation was invented by those who hate Jews. Paul&#8217;s statements below are theological statements, not political statements.</p>
<p>1 Thessalonians 2:14 to 1614 </p>
<p>For you, brothers, became imitators of God&#8217;s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own countrymen the same things those churches suffered from the Jews,</p>
<p>    15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to all men</p>
<p>    16 in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 21:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian-- lovely passage there. Makes you kinda understand where hitler and Phelpsie got it.

kinda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian&#8211; lovely passage there. Makes you kinda understand where hitler and Phelpsie got it.</p>
<p>kinda.</p>
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		<title>By: emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats to Wayne on winning the gay grinch award!
But I was more impressed when Petey called you &quot;The bad boy of buggery&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats to Wayne on winning the gay grinch award!<br />
But I was more impressed when Petey called you &#8220;The bad boy of buggery&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: adrianT</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrianT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>by the way, the serious fundamentalist - and Fred Phelps proves this - has to be anti-semitic, as per 1 Thessalonians 2:14 to 16. According to the lunatic author of that screed, Jews and their eternal descendants  are guilty for the death of the supposed saviour. (supposed, since there is no concrete evidence for Jesus, although there were plenty of eccentric preachers around at the time).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by the way, the serious fundamentalist &#8211; and Fred Phelps proves this &#8211; has to be anti-semitic, as per 1 Thessalonians 2:14 to 16. According to the lunatic author of that screed, Jews and their eternal descendants  are guilty for the death of the supposed saviour. (supposed, since there is no concrete evidence for Jesus, although there were plenty of eccentric preachers around at the time).</p>
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		<title>By: adrianT</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrianT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CONGRATULATIONS EVAN!

There is no point writing any of this if the nutbags and fanatics like Harvey and LaBarbera aren&#039;t hollering and ranting and raving and screaming about what you write. If they do not, then you have failed. 

It is a pleasure to see them do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CONGRATULATIONS EVAN!</p>
<p>There is no point writing any of this if the nutbags and fanatics like Harvey and LaBarbera aren&#8217;t hollering and ranting and raving and screaming about what you write. If they do not, then you have failed. </p>
<p>It is a pleasure to see them do this.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And furthermore, it&#039;s not as if LaBarbera and Harvey can plead ignorant of what the likely results of their message would be if theirs was the only one out there. We have been there in the not-too-distant past, where all the specific results I cited were common. And some of it is still happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And furthermore, it&#8217;s not as if LaBarbera and Harvey can plead ignorant of what the likely results of their message would be if theirs was the only one out there. We have been there in the not-too-distant past, where all the specific results I cited were common. And some of it is still happening.</p>
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