This is an interesting interview. Try not to cringe in the second section when, for some unknown reason (CNN, y’all really are batting a thousand, you know), King’s producers thought it would be a good idea to bring on a bigoted pastor to sit and talk about how sorry he feels for Jennifer. Props to Jennifer, though, for holding her tongue all the way through his entire ignorant, concern trolling tirade. Of course, there’s a hilarious moment at around 5:35 when Larry asks the pastor whether he made a “choice” to be a heterosexual, and he responds “I did!”
For the record: Pastor Bob Botsford of Horizon Christian Fellowship of San Diego could just as easily have been super gay, had that been what he wanted, and it wasn’t, so shut up.
In fairness, Larry mops the floor with the idiot pastor. So does Jen. So maybe they only brought him on for laughs.
In this segment, for some reason I cannot possibly put my finger on, they invite Ted Haggard on to give his perspective.
I hope and pray that Jen reads all this, and if she does I have something to ask her. Where in any of the conversations that took place above with your new sect, did God receive any Glory? A right relationship with God isn’t what they serve, you all serve your homosexuality. That is all your concerned about. Then you wonder if it is a sin or not when you talk trash against God and exhalt your sexuality!
All this God proof you can’t seem to get?! Please. Here is an exert from a very famous manuscript. I wonder if it makes any sense to you fools!
For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused.
22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools.
23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’ bodies.
25 They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.
26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.
27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done.
Hmmm does any of that sound remotely close to representing our conversations above?
Bye ya’all have at it! Odios…….
Addisu rather have children suffering in foster care system than being born to a gay family. I’m quite aware that you’re not a bee (unless bees have evolved the compacity to opperate a computer). FYI, nature has shown that homosexual organism are capable of ensuring that their genetic copy gets passed on, without reproduction. Furthermore, with modern technology Gay men and women can get their own sperms and eggs firtilized without sexual interaction between the opposite sex. Thereby, the can reproduce.
Sherri, provide scientific literature or your proof is b******t. And it’s spelled Adios. Idjit.
I guess there really isn’t a point to write to Jennifer, she’ probably too busy doing other interviews and stuff but I would like to comment regarding what dnise2002 posted. The truth was expressed exactly how the Holy Word speaks it. You need to continue preaching the truth even though MANY don’t want to hear it. And for all those that get angry at the facts, well when in sin the truth of The Word feels really convicting so that is why there is so much animosity in the comments that follow your comment. I am no one to judge but I truly know with all my heart and all my soul that once you begin a TRUE relationship with Jesus Christ you leave everything behind to follow him. What kind of judgment would this world put on me if I said my life style wasn’t pleasing to Christ’ eyes at one point of my life? No one preached to me about my lifestyle being BAD or going to hell for but when Jesus came into my heart and finally became REAL to me I realized that my lifestyle was not pleasing in Gods eyes. I changed not because what people said but because the conviction of the Holy Sprit came upon me, it is wrong to live in sin and that is it. If I use to do drugs or live in fornication is because I did not have a relationship with Jesus but now that I have chosen to follow Him it became easy to leave that life behind, now I try to live a life that is pleasing to Him not to my fleshly desires. One day, very soon the world will see the King of Kings, Lord of Lords but until that day we need to abide in truth and in love. I love Jennifer but like God, hate sin. I feel as though she obviously NEVER had a true relationship with the Lord because if she had she would have been able to rebuke all this a long time ago. She obviously knows it is wrong because she had been hiding it for so long. She’ not the only one that has left God to follow fleshly sin. So this does make me sad, that she chose her selfish lust (yes lust because she’ not married so technically she is living a life of fornication) over serving Jesus Christ, the one who died for us. Jesus is coming soon, you either believe in Him or deny Him, but remember that if you deny Him here on earth He will also deny you in heaven. You can’t have the two worlds.
Humbled,
Prove to us that Bible is in fact real and threatening before you threaten us with hellfire. Otherwise, you’re delusional.
Sherri said “Either the word of God is true or it is a lie…WHat is on trial is the word of God!”.
The word of your god was made up by humans who wanted to tell others what to do. What is on trial is the word of primitive bigoted goatherders.
Sherri said “neither homosexuals, adulterers, liars, FORNICATORS (don’t want to leave out the heterosexuals now) WILL NOT inherit the kingdom of God.”.
Your parenthetical comment suggest you think this is somehow equal treatment of gays and heterosexuals – it most certainly is not. You make allowences for heterosexuals to marry and have “god” sanctioned sex, but not gays – this is pure bigotry.
Sherri said “hey its just the bible that says that whats it count for?”.
The same as the Koran or Hinduism’s holy scriptures. You have no problem dismissing those as worthless, why should you expect anyone to see your bible any differently?
Sherri said “people’ souls are at stake here.”
No they’re not, souls are imaginary, once you die that’s the end of you, that’s why its important to make the most of the only life you’ve got. Jennifer needs to live her life to the fullest and not sacrifice any of it under the hob-nailed boot of ancient superstition.
Sherri said “I think those who refer to themselves as “gay” are much more than a sexual orientation. And I loathe the labeling and the limits they put on there own identity.”.
You’re reading something into this self-identification that isn’t there. Saying “I’m gay” is no different than saying “I’m a painter”, “I’m a skater”, or “I’m a car driver” – it isn’t in any sense a statment that “this is all there is to me”. Surely you don’t think if someone says “I’m a heterosexual” they’re putting limits on their identity – its no different with people saying they are gay.
Sherri said “we need to stop protecting our pitiful selfs and truly open up to God and not fear the thought that #1 He will accept you just as you are and #2 that He doesn’t intend on keeping us the way He found us”.
This is the perfect example of how irrational and contradictory your beliefs are. If your god accepts people just as they are he must intend on keeping them the way he found them. If he doesn’t intend to do this then he doesn’t accept people as they are.
Sherri said “if you look around the world places where people would be killed if they didn’t serve that Nations predominant god are turning to Jesus and in fact being slaughtered for it. That in itself is a testimony.”.
If you look aroud the world there are people dying for Islam and Hinduism – that’s just as much testimony for their religions. You accept that those beliefs are false and this proves people will risk death and die for false beliefs and it is no different with your religion.
Humbled said “I truly know with all my heart and all my soul that once you begin a TRUE relationship with Jesus Christ you leave everything behind to follow him.”.
Jesus said to sell everything you have and give it to the poor. You haven’t done that, have you? Clearly you don’t really believe the words of your Jesus/god.
Humbled said “[Jennifer] obviously knows it is wrong because she had been hiding it for so long.”.
Some light skinned black people are were believed to be white in their communities and hid the fact that they were black. Would you suggest they hid their heritage because they knew it was wrong to be black or would you say that when many people tell you its shameful to have an innocent and harmless characteristic people wrongly learn to be ashamed?
Gyeong Hwa Pak,
If you are really concerned about “children suffering”, let’s help together who are already born all over place rather than trying to create modern technology made Children. I am pretty sure, these modern technology made children will not be happy either looking at 6 billion naturally born human beings. I am from Africa and I have seen children being sold to gay families just because they don’t have families and no option.
Don’t be offended when i attacked your bee example. First, any member of the bee don’t show any homosexual behavior; they have sex but workers don’t show any sexual interest at all. their purpose is totally different. Second, avoid wrong analogy. For example we can’t bring Amoeba reproduction analogy to explain we can reproduce by cell division.
Lastly, if being gay is natural, then they don’t need modern technology to reproduce. I think, they should wait till the nature provides them way of reproduction.
My lifestyle was not hidden Priya, I personally lived my life with no conviction, did it all. I am not judging her, I have been there. But one day I let Jesus into my heart and it all changed. Sin is sin, we all sin but when we try our best to live a life according to Jesus He begins to change our sinful ways if we are willing. I do not mean any disrespect to you or to any other person on here but I personally live according to Jesus now and my past life of self destruction is that, the PAST. Your comment, “Jesus said to sell everything you have and give it to the poor. You haven’t done that, have you? Clearly you don’t really believe the words of your Jesus/god.” Technically speaking you judged me, I am in process of selling everything to open a homeless shelter hopefully in the Inland Empire (California) but at this time it is hard to find open doors that are willing to give me a helping hand because I do not have much money. I am NOT perfect, actually I am the farthest one from perfection but I want to try my best to live life being a light in a world filled with darkness.
That’s absurd. The evidence shows that there are plenty of happy children in gay families. You just choose to ignore them. And it’s not just gay people who have these children, infirtile straight people have them too. I know many children who would be happy to any parent, gay or straight.
Homosexuality is natural, it’s observable in nature. And my analogy isn’t wrong. Non reproductive members of a species can help a species, just as homosexuals can help humanity. The analogy stands.
Furthermore natural =/= good or bad. Nature is neutral.
But, by your standard, adoption isn’t natural. So all those adopted children are miserable? No, children are only miserable when their needs are met. And all those families are not having a need met. But hey, why don’t we all do children and humanity a favor by stopping this obsession with reproduction. There’ way to much people and that’ causing suffering. Sex does not need to result in reproduction. Bonbonos and Dolphins are known to have casual sex. It’ a social interaction (unless you’re one of those misogynic people who believe that sex is icky and that reproduction should be reserved for women as a punishment).
Also, if a child is “sold” that’s slavery not adoption. Perhaps you need to look into a legit adoption agencies who cares for the needs of the children over peoples pious bigotry.
Humbled said “I truly know with all my heart and all my soul that once you begin a TRUE relationship with Jesus Christ you leave everything behind to follow him.”
That (“you leave everything behind to follow him”) is a telltale sign of people being lured into a cult, whether they are following Jesus Christ, a Jim Jones, or a David Koresh. But you are not REALLY following Jesus Christ, but are actually following some charismatic preacher(s), and maybe other cult members who are acting as proxies for J.C. Those clever preachers make you think you are worshiping J.C. while they are bringing you under their control. You wouldn’t be likely to follow those hucksters if they were saying “worship me.”
1. I don’t know any child in homosexual family so far however, i am sure there could also be many unhappy ones.
2. if you ask a child who normally is under five, he couldn’t even understand what gay means. In fact, those from my country are sold to western countries by NGOs, without that explained to any of their relatives. Therefore, they are not given a chance to see the natural father/mother parenthood. However, there are slavery by choice these days just because life is better on the other side of the grass. Many girls are working in middle east for cheap labor because of survival. But it doesn’t make it better in anyway. Lot’s or Mexican are illegally coming to US to work illegally and if you ask them, they could probably say they are happy relative.
3. In the case of bee, the non-reproductive member assists the species by other things not related to mating. These female working bees sometimes lay egg with parthenogenesis (without mating). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_bee
1. Stupid, there are also children that are unhappy in heterosexual families. Under your reasoning we shouldn’t have them either.
2. Slavery =/= choice.
3. Way to miss the point.
Jesus has nothing to do with church, I don’t recall the bible saying anything about Jesus sitting in church listening to people talk. Your right Richard, cults are charismatic preachers that want control, money, power ect. But Jesus will never decieve you. Yes people hate Him, is there a reason for that? He healed, spoke about love and eternity and for some reason people HATE his teachings… I do not go to church to listen to a Humnan that is not perfect preach to me about how to live my life. Jesus is my perfet example of how to live. Look for another Perfect role model out there, you will never find one. They all fall short but Jesus died for you and me.
I am a Christian, and I believe the Bible. All of it. So it was pretty tormenting when I realized that the reason I always felt different was because I was a lesbian. I have suspected for several years that Jennifer was a lesbian too. I don’t believe in any way that she or I made a choice to be homosexual; however, I do believe that the act of homosexual sex is a sin (just as the act of heterosexual sex outside of marriage is a sin). I believe God holds me to a higher standard than most people. I went through the same stage Jen is in now, which is trying to convince herself that a homosexual relationship is okay and the Bible has been “mistranslated” on the subject. I never could fully convince myself, however. I don’t think Jen will, either, because I believe she truly loves God and wants to do His will. I pray that she will find someone, as I did, who will love her and be willing to be celibate in a relationship that puts God first. I pray that God will continue to convict her and draw her and her partner closer to Him, until they feel safe enough to give Him all of themselves. My partner and I have been so blessed since we admitted that we were sinning in our sexual (physical) relationship. We love each other more now than ever, and we have the joy of the Lord in our hearts. I pray that God would also bless Ted Haggard and keep him strong.
Humbled, did you ever provide peer-reviewed scientific literature for your assertions?
oh please,
Are you saying a child under certain age has a choice? Say, if the child understand in anyway the type of family that best resembles he was naturally born, what would be the child’s choice most probably???
I think it all comes to our personal perception. I will end our discussion saying, i would never be the person I am and happy if i grew up in gay family. There are millions of things that the gay families can not show me even though they could be nicest people and provide me with everything they can afford.
I would stop here i guess…nice debate..
Rondi, I know exactly what you mean, like I’ve said before I’ve been there. Only God can make us free of the chains that are holding us down. I am a witness of Gods power in my life. For a very long time I tried to find a way to justify my actions but never found the answer. Only He can put a clean heart in us, this is fact because I am a living testimony of what God has done in my life. The word says seek and you shall find. He knows all of our desires but we have to humble ourselves to His will for our lives. Some of us are not willing to do that. Our plans are not His plans. Jesus us love not condimination, it is our sins that keep us so far from Him.
Well, if a child is unhappy, child services can remove them from that family and place them in a better one. That’s why I said to look into a good adoption agency.
And I’ll end by saying there are plenty of children of gay parents who would disagree. But you are entitled to your perception.
I feel really bad for all the self-righteous fundamentalists commenting on this thread.
It seems that they worship an angry, bitter, judgmental, unfair, manipulative, cruel, sadistic deity that is unworthy of praise, much less blind obedience. Don’t take this the wrong way, but you make your God sound like…Satan.
The incontrovertible fact is, God (or evolution) created incredible diversity in the world. Yet some people, based on illiteracy or a misreading of a Bronze Age book, uphold the delusion that we are all the same. Instead of embracing differences, they fear them.
Such narrow-minded beliefs, and those who hold them as God’s word, are the root of much of the world’s evil. Just open up the newspaper — any newspaper – and you will see the strife caused by those who conceitedly believe they are speaking for God.
The fundamentalists, for all their sanctimonious finger-pointing, were wrong on EVERY major issue of the day including the rights of women, slavery, anti-antisemitism, prohibition, segregation and the election of George W. Bush as a sign from God.
That people with such an embarrassingly immoral record would hold that they know absolute truth on homosexuality, highlights how arrogant and self-righteous they truly are.
One would expect a group that was almost always on the wrong side of history, to be humble. Instead, the fundamentalists I see commenting have no conscience, no ability for reflection and no remorse for their historical moral failings.
Maybe fundamentalists should think about their past mistakes – which they also justified by cherry-picking Bible passages – before they attack yet another minority.
People who fancy themselves as moral should not continuously make the same historical blunders. Yet, the fundamentalists on this site show no capacity or ability to learn from past sins. (Repeating the same mistakes is called insanity for a reason)
What you call religion, is simply an unthinking regimen that demands ethical and spiritual blindness. Thus, your comments on this site — read primarily by thinking people — do more harm to your cause than you realize.
So, please, keep the ignorant words coming. Let the faucet of fanaticism leak a thousand kooky comments. You folks may not realize it, but you do a better job than I ever could exposing yourselves as misguided tools.
So much hatred… No one likes to be told they are wrong. At least no one I’ve ever met. The law of non-contradiction comes into play a bit here, in my opinion. Truth is not truth because you or someone else SAYS it is the truth. Truth is there whether you like it or not. Applied to the Bible, either it speaks against homosexual lifestyle, or it does not.
The truth does not change in the Bible from one congregation to another. Congregations may interpret it differently, for sure, but the Bible itself is not changing, simply one’s view of it (in this case I’m describing).
It is not really that difficult of an issue in the Bible. The Bible teaches against homosexuality, much in the same way it teaches against pride, adultery, etc. Get upset about, yell and scream about it, type in all caps, whatever… doesn’t change the Bible’s stance.
No one is saying you have to like that. It is definitely a narrow view. But it is not ignorant, nor unschooled, nor bigoted. At least, it does not claim to be. You may feel that way because you don’t like being told that you’re wrong, or you may think no one has the right to tell anyone else that they’re wrong.
We’re on a path of producing a generation of people so intellectually modest that they don’t believe in the multiplication table.
Dissenting Opinion:
The bible is also clear that those who commit the sin of homosexuality are to be put to death. You claim to follow the bible but it doesn’t seem like you’re advocating for the death penalty for persons caught having sex with the same gender. So, it seems to me that until you start objecting to the right for homosexuals to live, you have no right to object to homosexuals believing in the christian god.
Dnise and many others, you are judgmental which is a sin and is frowned upon by Christ. May God judge each one of you for each of your sins. Worry about your own lives. And don’t eat shellfish.
“Applied to the Bible, either it speaks against homosexual lifestyle, or it does not.”
Glad you see it so black and white. The answer is, “it does not.” There is no “homosexual lifestyle” in the Bible. “Homosexual lifestyles” (that is, the ability for gay men and women to live lives apart from the economic unit of the family) were only possible in large numbers with the advent of capitalism. There was no “homosexual lifestyle” in Paul’s time–only men (free, usually married men and slaves/prostitutes) engaging in same-sex behavior. Got any more anachronistic readings?
Someone much smarter than I said: “The opposite of faith is not doubt; it’s certainty.”
What we’re seeing in the “battle against homosexuality” in our culture is actually a deeper issue coming to the surface. Over the past 50+ years, the modern Evangelical church has embraced the anti-intellectual mindset of Fundamentalists, and coupled that with a feelings-oriented faith that seeks political power as a way to impose their “loving” viewpoint on others, using cultural assimilation as a useful tool.
That’s why you can have an electric-guitar jamming guy with tattoos and nose rings making claims of objective fact solely on their personal subjective experience or interpretation of Scripture, who then bemoans the fact that people don’t respond positively to their Facebook posts or YouTube video rantings.
As a gay man who is also a believer in Christ, I have no problem embracing uncertainty, appreciating mystery and I’m not threatened by scientific inquiry. I moved away from an unquestioning and authoritarian-driven kind of faith a long time ago, and I feel I’m a richer person for it.
You guys do great work here. Keep it up.
Christopher, way to go! I’m happy for you, that you find comfort in your faith while embracing who you are.
“The truth does not change in the Bible from one congregation to another. Congregations may interpret it differently, for sure, but the Bible itself is not changing, simply one’ view of it (in this case I’m describing).”
So, when one bible says “male temple prostitute” and another bible says “sodomite” in the exact same spot, which is the true one?
The one that supports the beliefs you’ve already chosen for yourself?
When we are ok with any sin in us, we are passive like a dull sword that is useless. We as Christians lose our testimony when we stop striving. People are watching, and watching closely to see if we are for real. I find the more I fight my own desires and give them up for Christ, something happens around me. Others see that intenisty and proactiveness (whatever it is) in our charachter. It is powerful and can say its only then that the spirit of God can powerfully work through us when we least feel it…thats the mystery of God and how He is to be glorified through us. We get what we put in.
Lin: Be comfortable with and embrace who you are. You’ll be happier and healthier for it; too many people have come out scarred — sometimes literally — by letting people guilt them into a cycle of self-hatred and self-harm, because those people are afraid of people who are different.
Many Christians and Christian leaders don’t believe that God would force a person into a lifetime of misery because of who they are. Ex-gay survivors (those who were harmed by the ex-gay industry and left it) exist all over, and will give you support.
Ex-gay ministry doesn’t work. They will let you die before they let you heal.
God, every time I come back to this thread, it seems like the pseudo-intellectual fundamentalist Bible masturbation telethon has just grown by at least 300 percent.
Where are all of these dinguses coming from, really?
Evan, I have a feeling it’s been linked to some fundie blog or forum, or something. They seem to be coming in droves to the articles that involve criticism of their buddies, like that hate convention Wayne visited earlier.
Thanks Makyui for your comment, but I don’t consider any lifestyle my own to declare. I am merely making general statments as far as sin and striving to live the life God has given me, which is more about pointing others to Christ. We did not choose to come in to this world, nor choose to die. Therefore, its logical that we would need a compass/structure for this life. Letting go of the flesh and its desires is part of the walk. Even Olympians who train for competition know thats what it takes to focus and have an edge. I am running a race, and plan on winning as many along the way. Every day belongs to God and I want to fight the good fight!..cause it is a fight!
Olympians choose to join a competition, though, Lin. Expecting you to fight yourself because of circumstances that you had no control over is unfair and cruel.
Humbled said “My lifestyle was not hidden Priya”.
I never said it was and that is irrelevant to my question. You seem to want to hide from my question so I’ll put it to you again and thank you to answer it honestly this time:
Some light skinned black people were believed to be white in their communities and hid the fact that they were black. Would you suggest they hid their heritage because they knew it was wrong to be black or would you say that when many people tell you its shameful to have an innocent and harmless characteristic people wrongly learn to be ashamed?
Humbled said ” I am in process of selling everything to open a homeless shelter hopefully in the Inland Empire (California)”.
LOL, sure you are.
I am like Miss Cleo and know Jennifer Knapp will magically take time from her busy schedule and read this.
Dear Jennifer,
While I a born-again bible-thumper and have loved your raw, great music since you started…and I love your new stuff, I shudder not so much on you being gay (I always had a feeling) but more that you seemed to have gotten all new agey mumbo jumbo in the Larry King Video. And that you go straight up to the running start line of studying THOSE verses in the Hebrew and the Greek, yet are UNWILLING to study them more. That concerns me more.
Why not study? Why not profess Jesus Christ as Your LORD openly?
That is what’s needed, what is real.
Forgive me for saying this, but I did not see that potrayed on the interview. You were though under a great deal of stress.
I suck, I realise, in my phrasing. However, I will listen to your music forever and I will see you in concert.
Please come out of the new agey “I am a person of Faith” and just grab the label “CHRISTIAN” or better yet “I LOVE JESUS CHRIST, HE IS MY PERSONAL SAVIOR, HIS BLOOD COVERS ME OKAY?”
I will shut-up now and have nothing else to say.
Yours,
Mel +
Lame.
Makyui – if we profess to be Christians, we are to seriously count the cost of that decision. According to the Word, it means living like Olympians, as Soldiars, willing to lay our life down at any moment, living every day as it could be the last. There is a sense of urgency to all these statements. That calls for death to self, to our fleshly desires, or feelings. If we call Jesus, Lord, are we really ready to follow and obey our Lord? Its a high calling and a very logical decision…nothing emotional about it.
Mel, Lin, and Sherri, your statements have almost no basis in the Bible, despite your assertions. You seem to have Christianity mixed up with religions of your own design.
Even if your statements were Biblically accurate, the Bible is a factually inaccurate and frequently immoral document. Shame on you for imposing the Bible’s vices and your own impenitent vices upon people like Jennifer Knapp.
I believe there is one God, one truth, I am not going to argue about it with people that probably have never opened the bible and studied it in depth. However there is a promise in the bible that if we seek God with all our heart, mind and strength we will find Him and He will reveal himself to us. Instead of spending time condeming people I am going to get on my knees and pray, because God is the only one who can change a person’s heart. As far a the pastor on Larry King, I don’t think his intentions were to judge Jeniffer, but to clarify things so that others don’t get confused, Jeniffer is proclaiming to be a christian and being opened about her homosexuality, so that leaves a door of confusion for others. The world know that the christian community does not accept homosexuality as something permitted by God. She should have come out and said at this time I am choosing to be with my partner and I am not sure whether I am going to pursue my christian faith. People go through changes and that is okay, life is about finding yourself. But we have to be careful when we are in the public eye. What we do affects millions. In a very subtle way she disrespected the faith of many by saying that the pastors who have gone to bible school were misinterpreting the bible, she said it herself that she was not a bible scholar, so I think we should speak about things we know, and not things we are not sure about. Its the way we communicate things that makes a difference….
Diana said “The world know that the christian community does not accept homosexuality as something permitted by God.”.
Diana, you bigoted liar. A large percentage of Christianity accepts gays as they are. You most certainly don’t speak for all Christians stop acting like a pompous blowhard and pretending that you do.
Okay, let me apologize for my mistake, the majority of the christian community does not believe homosexuality is permitted by God. My point is that Jennifer should have been honest about herself from the beginning, and allowed her fans to know her for who she is, maybe people would identify with her…
Diana, it’s actually not true that the “majority” of Christians don’t believe in homosexuality.
Many don’t, many do. More come to our side every day. Your worldview is dying.
Diana, bigots like you discouraged her from being honest about her sexuality in order to avoid the very condemnations and demeaning that you are now taking part in. You want to b***h about her concealing her sexual orientation you have no one to blame but you and your hateful christians.
Priya and Evan, I am not a bigot, and you are right maybe people have not learned to preach the word of God in love, I don’t agree with how homosexuals are discriminated against or ridiculed, that goes against what Jesus showed us by example, but I do believe we should have personal integrity and be honest with people. Jennifer belongs to a church that accepts homosexuality and that is her right, we live in a country that gives us religious freedom, something that is very precious to me, but, she should have identified as that from the very beginning, and she should understand that by coming out she is going to be viewed as a pro activist for homosexuality, that’s what comes with fame. I just believe we should not be wishy washy about our believes, people should be honest, and we should not hide things in fear of being rejected, we need to learn to respect each other, and not impose our believe on others…we have the freedom to choose what type of church or belief we want to embrace. As far as the bible goes, as individuals we have the responsibility to study it and seek the truth ourselves, and not be guided by others, when I began my college years I broke away from christianity and began to search the truth for myself, and I came to the conclusion that the bible is the absolute word of God, we live in an era where information is abundant, it is up to us to study in depth the different subjects we would like to find truth in, I apologize if I sounded pompous, but when I say that we should speak on subjects that we know, I mean that about any subject not just the bible, Why would someone start quoting on something they don’t really know just to make a statement or put someone down.
Why do we all have a responsibility to study the bible? Do we have a responsibility to study the Koran, too? Or the Bhagavad Gita? What about the Book of Mudora? Is it our responsibility to learn the history of the Triforce, Diana?
“Why would someone start quoting on something they don’t really know just to make a statement or put someone down.”
People who are actually concerned about the truth don’t complain about or try to stifle criticism and debate. The people who do are the people with a dogma which they must believe in no matter what, regardless of whether or not it’s true.
And just because they came to a conclusion that’s different from yours doesn’t mean they don’t know what they’re talking about. To be perfectly frank, people who think the bible is “the absolute word of God” are either ignorant themselves, or believe that their god is ignorant. Either the bible is the absolute word of God, or bats are mammals and spotted goats come from genetics and not spotty sticks — pick one.
I’m not saying we all have the responsibility to study the bible, we are talking about the interview with Jennifer on Larry King, and she quoted on the bible translation, she was not very clear on what she was saying, so I think if you are going to quote on something you better know what you are talking about, like I would not make a statement on the koran unless I read it and studied it.
People who are actually concerned about the truth don’t complain about or try to stifle criticism and debate.
I am not complaining, just having a conversation, Why wouldn’t we debate or study things in depth to find truth, are we just to follow what the majority believes is correct, You have to stand for something or you can fall for anything, and if we are to believe that everyone is correct, than how would we base our moral boundaries.
Diana said, “You have to stand for something or you can fall for anything, and if we are to believe that everyone is correct, than how would we base our moral boundaries.”
In your search for moral boundaries you might start by looking to see if an activity by one person harms another. If it does not, then there is a good chance that the activity is at least morally neutral or better.
A book written by ancient un-knowledgeable superstitious people is the wrong place to look for moral boundaries. Worrying about what a God thinks is just silliness. You should be embarrassed.
Hear, hear.
Again, as I discussed in the post the other day, this is why even religious believers shouldn’t attempt to argue with fundamentalists about things like gay rights from the perspective of religion. It’s irrelevant what Diana believes, because this is a secular state. We are not a religious website, but rather a website that exposes anti-gay lies, many of which come from religious people.
And Diana, Jennifer had no responsibility to tell you who she has sex with on the front end. For you to suggest that is preposterous and puts you on a pedestal you frankly don’t deserve.
Evan, I completely agree with you. Too many nations throughout history have used religion to oppress and control people and the United States is not innocent.
A book written by ancient un-knowledgeable superstitious people is the wrong place to look for moral boundaries. Worrying about what a God thinks is just silliness. You should be embarrassed
Richard, are you saying that the bible is entirely full of superstition, one of the things that convinced me was how a lot of the prophesies in the bible were fulfilled beginning with the birth of Christ and his death, a lot of historical events have been prophecised in the bible, and a lot of science has been verified by the bible, the bible teaches me how to honor my parents, love my neighbor, my husband and children, how I should abide by the laws of the land and so many other things, so how can I be embarrassed about believing in the bible that has thought me wisdom, I am not embarrassed about believing in a God that I have an intimate relationship with, the peace He gives me and the grace he has shown to me might be silliness to you, but for me it has been the most wonderful experience in my life, it might be silliness to others but to me its real..not only because I feel it, sometimes we can’t go by feelings we have to be guided by facts, the exact science of creation is a proof in itself for me to believe that in fact there is a God..
Evan, Jennifer does not have the responsibility to tell me who she is sleeping with, but as a fan you want to get to know the artist and what they believe in what inspires them, I think as an artist it makes them more real, you have a point, sometimes as a society we forget that musicians, artist and actors are just regular people just like us, and we should focus on their talents and not their personal lives. So if a famous person is bringing something out publicly they are probably okay with people discussing whatever they are publicly exposing??
We are not a religious website, but rather a website that exposes anti-gay lies, many of which come from religious people.
Sorry about this, if am not welcomed on this website please let me know, I do like talking about different subjects and learning about others opinion, but if you would like me not to be part of this conversation let me know..I will respect that..
Diana said “one of the things that convinced me was how a lot of the prophesies in the bible were fulfilled beginning with the birth of Christ and his death,”
Diana, you’re overlooking the obvious (likely willfully) – when one book says this, that, and the other thing will happen in the future its an easy job to write a book hundreds of years later and lie and say “Oh, yes, this, that, and the other thing did happen, just like the old testament said”. That the new testament claims old testament prophecies came true doesn’t in any way prove that they did.
Diana said “a lot of historical events have been prophecised in the bible,”.
BS. Name some historical events prophecized in the bible that came true. And not “historical events” that the new testament says came true, but historical events that non-biblical sources say really happened.
Diana said “and a lot of science has been verified by the bible,”.
That’s your most laughable claim of all. When christianists try to give examples of this they pull out ambiguous statements and claim they represent scientific principles such as “in the beginning there was nothing” means the bible documented the big bang theory of the universe was documented or some such other clap-trap. In fact the bible is loaded with scientific errors like bats being birds, birds crawling on all fours, rain being caused by god opening a window in the sky, the moon, sun, and stars being held up by an invisible firmament that divides the waters above from the waters below, Pi equalling exactly 3, unicorns are real, and so on.
Diana you believe in the bible because you decided before you read it that you wanted to and when you read it you filtered out everything that was a lie and focused in on only those few things that supported the belief you chose in advance.
If you truly want to see the truth about the bible and its overwhelming volume of scientific, historical, and geographic errors as well as failed prophecies have a look here:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
Priya: Don’t forget my personal favorite: Genesis 30:36-39. If anything supports the idea that the bible was written by ignorant Iron Age men who composed as they went, it’s the passage about breeding spotted goats by forcing the (solid-colored) flock to breed in front of peeled poplar sticks.