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		<title>By: Dr. Norman Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Norman Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 04:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on decades of research, clinical practice, and more than 450 authoritative references, homosexuality is not a &quot;lifestyle.&quot;  Homosexuality and sexual behavior differences result from  sexual center variations in the brain.   Homosexuality, excepting adult onsets caused by brain changes due to viruses, tumors, and injuries, are related to hormonal conditioning of the developing brain during fetal development.  Homosexuals, when compared to heterosexuals, differ in hormonal differences and responses, uncontrollable reflexes, functional MRI readings, neuroanatomy, etc.  Using thousands of subjects, Bell and Weinberg, social psychologists,  state &quot;Among both men and women in our study, there is a powerful link between gender nonconformity and the development or homosexuality.&quot; . . .  &quot;At the moment, a large body of convincing research appears to suggest a biological foundation for homosexuality.&quot;
Same-sexed partnerships are known to exist in higher mammals and in many intelligent species.  Over 250 species show same-sexed attraction and some life long bonding. 

Many who are negative to homosexuality are in no manner homophobes.  Particularly during adolescence and early adult phases, homophobia presents itself mostly among those who fear their own homosexuality.  Research shows many &quot;heterosexuals&quot; vehemently opposed to homosexuality, using scientific measures, respond the same as homosexuals.  Physicians and psychologists tend to see these individuals as self-loathing homosexuals.  Anti-homosexual religious zealots are either unfamiliar with or deny the voluminous scientific research on sexual orientation.

People who oppose homosexuality are often extremely vocal and few shy away from making homosexuals the target of mean spirited attacks.  Christ never mentions homosexuals in the New Testament or the Book of Mormon.  Early church scholars with unbridled disdain for homosexuals, Saint John Chrysostom and St. Augustine, who with anguish admits to homosexual practice, discuss I Cor. 6.9-10 and homosexuality is never mentioned.  The passage discusses pagan temple practices.  In the early Christian church, the punishment for homosexual behavior ranged from penance to excommunication.  The word &quot;·ºÄœÅœÉŒµŒ?ŒøŒ?Œø·??œÑŒ±Œ?&quot; which some translate as &quot;homosexual&quot; is best translated, as did Martin Luther, &quot;knabench?§nder&quot; or child molester.  Until A.D. 656 Christians debated whether women had souls and the Counci l of Trent &quot;condemned to anathema anyone who said marriage was as virtuous as celibacy.&quot;  Marriage is a sacrament of the church not related to the state.  It seems the proper religious viewpoint should be only churches can perform &quot;marriages.&quot;   The state, not being an arbiter for the church, should issue declarations of domestic partnership regardless of the sex of couples. 


A &quot;homosexual agenda&quot; does not exist.  Homosexuals are extremely diverse politically and many do not identify with the GLBT (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgendered)  community or consider themselves homosexual.  Being part of the GLTB is a social process necessary to help disenfranchised GLTB individuals express their opinions, helping reduce prejudice and discrimination in an anti-GLBT mileu.  GLBT emphasize positive image and self-acceptance and are active in numerous charities.

The GLBT tend to rely on scientific studies that show other than sexual orientation, there are few differences between GLBTs and heterosexuals.   The GLBT community appears to be advocating for issues like:  same-sexed marriage, full citizens&#039; rights, hate crimes legislation  and support for  all GLBT persons.  The GLBT community supports heterosexuals and appropriate sexual behavior between consenting adults regardless of sexuality.

Heterosexuals dominate as pedophiles, whether the victim is male or female.  Groth and Birnbaum , using 275 cases of male child molestation state, &quot;In any case, in over 12 years of clinical experience, we have yet to see any regression from an adult homosexual orientation.&quot; After destruction of the female mating center to reduce a professional man&#039; interest in male children, his pedophilia became insatiable.  Later destruction of his male mating center stopped the unwanted sexual behavior.&quot;  Heterosexuals also prey on homosexuals in prison and the military as well as in the community.  The macho heterosexual rapes and vilifies his victims and  maintains his heterosexuality and status.

While social process is involved in sexual expression, it does not determine sexual orientation.  To avoid stigma, some become pseudo-heterosexuals.  Religiously motivated conversion therapy has never been scientifically documented to change a persons natural underlying sexual orientation.  Pseudo-heterosexuality is the objective of such therapies.  Many unable to change are significantly depressed and suicidal.  &quot;Two of Exodus International&#039; founders, Michael Bussee and Garry Cooper, fell in love and left the organization in 1979.&quot;

Sexual orientation should not form the basis for discrimination or inequality.  It should remind us of God&#039; variant creation.  Could homosexuality be a means of population control as suggested by Carl Jung?   The opposition to GLBT persons is contrary to the compassionate and loving teachings of Jesus Christ (Mt 7.1-5).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on decades of research, clinical practice, and more than 450 authoritative references, homosexuality is not a &#8220;lifestyle.&#8221;  Homosexuality and sexual behavior differences result from  sexual center variations in the brain.   Homosexuality, excepting adult onsets caused by brain changes due to viruses, tumors, and injuries, are related to hormonal conditioning of the developing brain during fetal development.  Homosexuals, when compared to heterosexuals, differ in hormonal differences and responses, uncontrollable reflexes, functional MRI readings, neuroanatomy, etc.  Using thousands of subjects, Bell and Weinberg, social psychologists,  state &#8220;Among both men and women in our study, there is a powerful link between gender nonconformity and the development or homosexuality.&#8221; . . .  &#8220;At the moment, a large body of convincing research appears to suggest a biological foundation for homosexuality.&#8221;<br />
Same-sexed partnerships are known to exist in higher mammals and in many intelligent species.  Over 250 species show same-sexed attraction and some life long bonding. </p>
<p>Many who are negative to homosexuality are in no manner homophobes.  Particularly during adolescence and early adult phases, homophobia presents itself mostly among those who fear their own homosexuality.  Research shows many &#8220;heterosexuals&#8221; vehemently opposed to homosexuality, using scientific measures, respond the same as homosexuals.  Physicians and psychologists tend to see these individuals as self-loathing homosexuals.  Anti-homosexual religious zealots are either unfamiliar with or deny the voluminous scientific research on sexual orientation.</p>
<p>People who oppose homosexuality are often extremely vocal and few shy away from making homosexuals the target of mean spirited attacks.  Christ never mentions homosexuals in the New Testament or the Book of Mormon.  Early church scholars with unbridled disdain for homosexuals, Saint John Chrysostom and St. Augustine, who with anguish admits to homosexual practice, discuss I Cor. 6.9-10 and homosexuality is never mentioned.  The passage discusses pagan temple practices.  In the early Christian church, the punishment for homosexual behavior ranged from penance to excommunication.  The word &#8220;·ºÄœÅœÉŒµŒ?ŒøŒ?Œø·??œÑŒ±Œ?&#8221; which some translate as &#8220;homosexual&#8221; is best translated, as did Martin Luther, &#8220;knabench?§nder&#8221; or child molester.  Until A.D. 656 Christians debated whether women had souls and the Counci l of Trent &#8220;condemned to anathema anyone who said marriage was as virtuous as celibacy.&#8221;  Marriage is a sacrament of the church not related to the state.  It seems the proper religious viewpoint should be only churches can perform &#8220;marriages.&#8221;   The state, not being an arbiter for the church, should issue declarations of domestic partnership regardless of the sex of couples. </p>
<p>A &#8220;homosexual agenda&#8221; does not exist.  Homosexuals are extremely diverse politically and many do not identify with the GLBT (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgendered)  community or consider themselves homosexual.  Being part of the GLTB is a social process necessary to help disenfranchised GLTB individuals express their opinions, helping reduce prejudice and discrimination in an anti-GLBT mileu.  GLBT emphasize positive image and self-acceptance and are active in numerous charities.</p>
<p>The GLBT tend to rely on scientific studies that show other than sexual orientation, there are few differences between GLBTs and heterosexuals.   The GLBT community appears to be advocating for issues like:  same-sexed marriage, full citizens&#8217; rights, hate crimes legislation  and support for  all GLBT persons.  The GLBT community supports heterosexuals and appropriate sexual behavior between consenting adults regardless of sexuality.</p>
<p>Heterosexuals dominate as pedophiles, whether the victim is male or female.  Groth and Birnbaum , using 275 cases of male child molestation state, &#8220;In any case, in over 12 years of clinical experience, we have yet to see any regression from an adult homosexual orientation.&#8221; After destruction of the female mating center to reduce a professional man&#8217; interest in male children, his pedophilia became insatiable.  Later destruction of his male mating center stopped the unwanted sexual behavior.&#8221;  Heterosexuals also prey on homosexuals in prison and the military as well as in the community.  The macho heterosexual rapes and vilifies his victims and  maintains his heterosexuality and status.</p>
<p>While social process is involved in sexual expression, it does not determine sexual orientation.  To avoid stigma, some become pseudo-heterosexuals.  Religiously motivated conversion therapy has never been scientifically documented to change a persons natural underlying sexual orientation.  Pseudo-heterosexuality is the objective of such therapies.  Many unable to change are significantly depressed and suicidal.  &#8220;Two of Exodus International&#8217; founders, Michael Bussee and Garry Cooper, fell in love and left the organization in 1979.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sexual orientation should not form the basis for discrimination or inequality.  It should remind us of God&#8217; variant creation.  Could homosexuality be a means of population control as suggested by Carl Jung?   The opposition to GLBT persons is contrary to the compassionate and loving teachings of Jesus Christ (Mt 7.1-5).</p>
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		<title>By: Gravity Denier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gravity Denier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 16:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must disagree, in that the homosexual data George Rekers was working on must necessarily be classified as a science. 

How else did he catch the gay? Lab coat, George, a nice formless lab coat (but not one that leaves the rear parts exposed.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must disagree, in that the homosexual data George Rekers was working on must necessarily be classified as a science. </p>
<p>How else did he catch the gay? Lab coat, George, a nice formless lab coat (but not one that leaves the rear parts exposed.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rush Limbaugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rush Limbaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 06:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fair and balanced&quot; foxnews website has ZERO stories on George Rekers.  Go to the search option on foxnews.com and type in &quot;George Rekers.&quot;  Rush Limbaugh, who was caught with tons of Viagra in the airport going on pre-teen sex tour in Dominican Republic will not talk about George Rekers either.  The aforementioned do not want to anger the self-hating closeted gay rightwing Republican.  Everyday people simply do not care about gays.  They don&#039;t.  Only self hating GOP hypocrites care that much about homosexuals and taking away their rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fair and balanced&#8221; foxnews website has ZERO stories on George Rekers.  Go to the search option on foxnews.com and type in &#8220;George Rekers.&#8221;  Rush Limbaugh, who was caught with tons of Viagra in the airport going on pre-teen sex tour in Dominican Republic will not talk about George Rekers either.  The aforementioned do not want to anger the self-hating closeted gay rightwing Republican.  Everyday people simply do not care about gays.  They don&#8217;t.  Only self hating GOP hypocrites care that much about homosexuals and taking away their rights.</p>
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		<title>By: My Name</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 07:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the author,

I am as fervently opposed to this moron&#039;s position of undue credibility as you are but you should know the grammatical errors you continually make detract from the credibility of your own work thus rendering it juvenile instead of poignant. PLEASE have someone proof-read your work before it is posted. You will be taken much more seriously if you can show you understand the difference between &#039;to&#039; and &#039;two&#039;. I&#039;m gay and believe if we are to be taken seriously we must show that we are smarter, more logical, and more rational than our opponents. Other than that, great piece!</description>
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<p>I am as fervently opposed to this moron&#8217;s position of undue credibility as you are but you should know the grammatical errors you continually make detract from the credibility of your own work thus rendering it juvenile instead of poignant. PLEASE have someone proof-read your work before it is posted. You will be taken much more seriously if you can show you understand the difference between &#8216;to&#8217; and &#8216;two&#8217;. I&#8217;m gay and believe if we are to be taken seriously we must show that we are smarter, more logical, and more rational than our opponents. Other than that, great piece!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 22:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, followups and added information everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, followups and added information everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: swampthing</title>
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		<dc:creator>swampthing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 01:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t it be *lovely* to find a straight-line connection to Pope Ratz?  Although I&#039;d rather see one to the RC office in charge of picking out seminarians to continue to priesthood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be *lovely* to find a straight-line connection to Pope Ratz?  Although I&#8217;d rather see one to the RC office in charge of picking out seminarians to continue to priesthood.</p>
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		<title>By: SarasNavel</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/05/8559/comment-page-1/#comment-21024</link>
		<dc:creator>SarasNavel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 06:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was harming children long before the Florida adoption case.  Along with Richard Green he headed up the Feminine Boy Project back in &#039;72-&#039;86.  It was perhaps the classic example of quackery, conversion/reparative therapy as applied to gender variant children, first &quot;prehomosexual&quot; then &quot;pretranssexual&quot; once homosexuality was delisted from the DSM (both are now better understood to be variations in neurological development).  They preferred to focus on &quot;young, feminine boys&quot;, going so far as to request therapists&#039; referrals of the same to them for &quot;treatment&quot;.

(see: http://www.sbpress.com/2010/03/feminine-boy-project/
and for background info on gay conversion therapy, later championed by the Zucker crowd against transgender kids:
http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/faked-evidence-of-gay-conversion/ )

Dig a little / do some Googling to connect the dots:
George Alan Rekers &amp; Richard Green
Blanchard &amp; Bailey,
Ken Zucker &amp; Paul McHugh &amp; Narth
Paul McHugh and the Vatican

Hints: the nexus was the delisting of homosexuality from the DSM &amp; the founding of the Christian organization, Narth, 35+ years ago.  Tie that to what was happening at John Hopkins at the time regarding shielding child molesters from the law &amp; public statements made regarding the same.  Fast forward to  current involvement with the Christian Right and the Catholic Church&#039;s protection of molesters within the fold.  

  Each of them is in some way still harming among the most vulnerable children, those born in some way gender variant.  Something very, very wrong ties that group together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was harming children long before the Florida adoption case.  Along with Richard Green he headed up the Feminine Boy Project back in &#8217;72-&#8217;86.  It was perhaps the classic example of quackery, conversion/reparative therapy as applied to gender variant children, first &#8220;prehomosexual&#8221; then &#8220;pretranssexual&#8221; once homosexuality was delisted from the DSM (both are now better understood to be variations in neurological development).  They preferred to focus on &#8220;young, feminine boys&#8221;, going so far as to request therapists&#8217; referrals of the same to them for &#8220;treatment&#8221;.</p>
<p>(see: <a href="http://www.sbpress.com/2010/03/feminine-boy-project/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sbpress.com/2010/03/feminine-boy-project/</a><br />
and for background info on gay conversion therapy, later championed by the Zucker crowd against transgender kids:<br />
<a href="http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/faked-evidence-of-gay-conversion/" rel="nofollow">http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/faked-evidence-of-gay-conversion/</a> )</p>
<p>Dig a little / do some Googling to connect the dots:<br />
George Alan Rekers &amp; Richard Green<br />
Blanchard &amp; Bailey,<br />
Ken Zucker &amp; Paul McHugh &amp; Narth<br />
Paul McHugh and the Vatican</p>
<p>Hints: the nexus was the delisting of homosexuality from the DSM &amp; the founding of the Christian organization, Narth, 35+ years ago.  Tie that to what was happening at John Hopkins at the time regarding shielding child molesters from the law &amp; public statements made regarding the same.  Fast forward to  current involvement with the Christian Right and the Catholic Church&#8217;s protection of molesters within the fold.  </p>
<p>  Each of them is in some way still harming among the most vulnerable children, those born in some way gender variant.  Something very, very wrong ties that group together.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 04:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A. McEwen, my apologies. I am appalled. I assumed that the statement was (incorrectly) inferred from the Gill case. The PDF does not include that claim, only the reductio I referred to. The quotation in the article you linked to is clear. There is no depth that this man will not sink to.

As bad as his actions are for Americans generally, and gay couples particularly, they are 100 times worse -- utter, deadly poison -- for children waiting for loving parents and stable homes that they may never have. The children in Gill NEEDED that home. Their degree of deprivation and neglect was horrible.  

And why, why would he do such a thing? Is it that he is confused and wrestling with his identity? I don&#039;t think so, no more than any tobacco lobbyist. He was paid (at least) $61,000 for blandly lying in the Gill case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A. McEwen, my apologies. I am appalled. I assumed that the statement was (incorrectly) inferred from the Gill case. The PDF does not include that claim, only the reductio I referred to. The quotation in the article you linked to is clear. There is no depth that this man will not sink to.</p>
<p>As bad as his actions are for Americans generally, and gay couples particularly, they are 100 times worse &#8212; utter, deadly poison &#8212; for children waiting for loving parents and stable homes that they may never have. The children in Gill NEEDED that home. Their degree of deprivation and neglect was horrible.  </p>
<p>And why, why would he do such a thing? Is it that he is confused and wrestling with his identity? I don&#8217;t think so, no more than any tobacco lobbyist. He was paid (at least) $61,000 for blandly lying in the Gill case.</p>
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		<title>By: Alvin McEwen: Anti-gay organization founder travels with a "rentboy‚Äô &#124; Best Breaking News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alvin McEwen: Anti-gay organization founder travels with a "rentboy‚Äô &#124; Best Breaking News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 03:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Truth Wins Out has an excellent breakdown of the background of George Rekers and why this story is highly important to those who care about [...]</description>
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		<title>By: a. mcewen</title>
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		<dc:creator>a. mcewen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 02:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a better link to his statement:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/2010/05/equality-florida-new-times-reports-attorney-general-bill-mccollums-expert-witness-in-adoption-case-caught-with-male-prostit.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a better link to his statement:</p>
<p><a href="http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/2010/05/equality-florida-new-times-reports-attorney-general-bill-mccollums-expert-witness-in-adoption-case-caught-with-male-prostit.html" rel="nofollow">http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/2010/05/equality-florida-new-times-reports-attorney-general-bill-mccollums-expert-witness-in-adoption-case-caught-with-male-prostit.html</a></p>
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