If this isn’t a smoking gun that they indeed do support the death penalty for gay people, I don’t know what is. I’ll just quote Joe Jervis at length, because he lays it all out:
It’s time for the Southern Poverty Law Center to reclassify the Family Research Council as an official hate group, not merely anti-gay as they are now listed. According to the FRC’s official lobbying report for the first quarter of 2010, they paid two two of their henchmen $25,000 to lobby Congress against approving a resolution denouncing Uganda’s plan to execute homosexuals. The resolution passed in the Senate on April 13th, but remains languished in the House almost four months after being referred to the Foreign Affairs Committee. Did the FRC’s lobbying kill it?
(…)
Among the other items they lobbied against are the overturn of DADT and DOMA, which is to be expected. But it’s almost astounding, almost, that they would lobby the members of Congress against denouncing the death penalty for LGBT people. THIS needs to fucking THROWN in Tony Perkins’ and Peter Sprigg’s smirking faces the next time they appear on cable television to speak in soothing voices about the FRC’s godly gentle love for homosexuals.
I agree. There seem to be several anti-gay groups crossing the line this year, meriting outright condemnation by all civilized humans, and certainly official designation by the Southern Poverty Law Center as official hate groups. Unfortunately, due to the strangling grip the false construct of “fairness” has on our media, men like Tony Perkins and Peter Sprigg are routinely given time on television to propagate their anti-gay jihad to a larger audience. This information, in the hands of a real journalist (Rachel: expect to hear from several of us very soon?), could start to change things. That a group which masquerades as “pro-family” would be spending their donations trying to take the pressure off of Uganda so that they can pass their anti-gay genocide bill in peace would be allowed on American television to spew for all the world to see is grotesque. We, as a nation, deserve better than that. We deserve a media which doesn’t stoop so low as to consider hate speech and lobbying to be a valid “alternate viewpoint.”
Fundamentalist groups like to bitch ad nauseam that mean old gay groups and journalists are the real haters, but yet I don’t think any of us have ever advocated for or supported jail sentences or the death penalty for Fundamentalist Christians. I’ve advocated for the government to issue them helmets, but that’s for their protection. In fact, we’ve never even supported taking any of their rights away. Hell, we just want to co-exist equally with them, and yes, that does entail knocking them off the pedestal upon which they have placed themselves and from which they have been firing their loaded crosses for as long as I can remember, and bringing them back down to a place of equality with the rest of us.
One way to chip away at that pedestal would be to spread the information far and wide: The Family Research Council, of Washington, DC, starring Tony Perkins and Peter Sprigg, supports the death penalty for gay people. The proof is in their actions. Wingnuts are always worse people than you imagine.
Joe has the screen shots of their lobbying reports, so hop over there for the rest.
[...] Besen, head of Truth Wins Out, an organization which combats groups like FRC, said this new revelation is not [...]
[...] even supported taking any of their rights away. But the truth is that the Family Research Council supports the death penalty for gay people. The proof is in their [...]
let’s see even: Gay activists invaded churches,
desicrated communion wafers, surrounded christian
churces screaming thiings like “bring back the
lions” amoung other things equally vile terrorizing
the patrons in the churches. Gay activists have
threatened “blood terrism” graffitied and vandalized
church property. I could go on and on, but you get the
point
Brad:
No, there is no point. You have a handful of distorted examples that you twist for political gain. There are millions of gay people in the U.S. Each Sunday there are tens of thousands of church services that take place with no disruptions. Clearly, you are whining and creating a problem that does not exist. Pathetic.
Brad,
While cherrypicking a few distorted examples from decades ago, you also ignore the arsons committed by people like you against LGBT-affirming churches every year.
It’s apparent that you oppose freedom of religion for everyone except yourself — and that you feel little motivation to oppose the death penalty or imprisonment for LGBT people.
According to Brad some isolated gay person wrote graffiti on a church door so its perfectly alright to call for gays to be put to death and somehow his attempts to deny gays the same rights he has shouldn’t be criticized at all.
“arsons committed by people like you” Michael your
assumptions about me are as usual completly wrong.
I do not support any violence against LGBT people.
No real christian would. But real christians defend
God’s holy word. Michael, what proof do you have
that I am one of those who would commit arson
or defend the act of arson against LGBT churches?
You have no such proof, no, instead because I choose
to believe that the bible does not support or
endorse homosexuality, you lump me in with those
other groups. Not only is this dishonest, It shows
that you and Besen are very narrow minded and
judgemental yourselves. Stop with your false
assumptions about me. I’m going to make this as
clear as I can so that you can understand: I do not
support arson or violence agqinst LGBT people, and
I DO NOT support the death penalty for LGBT people.
By the way my point in my first comment was that
your side is guilty of its share of violence and
intimidation. In fact, there are examples right
up to the present day.
BS Brad. There are a few isolated incidents of minor infractions committed by gay people against christians but your side is overwhelmingly guilty of all manner of ongoing oppression and violence against gay people. You can try to distance yourself from that but it won’t fly – when you promote the idea that gayness is wrong you provide justification and motivation for the attacks on gays. YOU are part of the problem and a damn big part of it.
Hey Brad, at lease you admit you “choose to believe” in the Bible b******t–but luckily we live in a country where the law is based on the Constitution not on the Bible. So you believe whatever you want–just don’t try to force your Stone Age morality on the rest of us.
Let’s be fair, Wayne:
“No, there is no point. You have a handful of distorted examples that you twist for political gain.”
No, Brad has a handful of distorted examples that he twists, and then misspells, and then poops on, and then plays with, and then shows to people who don’t want to see them, then plays with them some more, and then he gets distracted from commenting at Truth Wins Out for weeks at a time, during which we can only presume he’s electrocuting himself attempting to turn the pages of the internet.
And here:
“Michael, what proof do you have
that I am one of those who would commit arson
or defend the act of arson against LGBT churches?
You have no such proof.”
I’d argue that Brad probably isn’t in any danger of setting fire to any churches of any kind, because one usually has to be able to operate lighters or matches to do so, and that’s hard to do with claws.
Brad anderson, you wrote: “But real christians defend God’ holy word.” If it is trul;y god’s words, they don’t need defending, except when they are indefensible. And hwich of god’s holy words are you defending– the “get the gays” ones or the “judge not” ones?
As a Jew, I reject the Christian story, and as a thinking human being, I reject the sarcasm known as Biblical morality. This bothers the religious beliefs of no one but the most rabid fundamentalist, nor would any but the most clueless dare say so in public for fear of rightly being called a religious bigot. But let me say that I’m gay and reject just this tiniest part of conservative Christian belief, and suddenly, religious beliefs are offended, the people who hold them are “persecuted”. What is the difference?
It amazes me that religions disagree about the nature of God, and their history is written in blood. But gay people–well, they finally have it right. The word bigotry comes to mind, a bigotry that any gay person knows exists. Just because it is your religious belief and it is about gay people, doesn’t make it right.
And may I ask is anyones mind or beliefs changed? Has anyone been challenged to think critically and weigh what has been said? Has this opened the door for public discourse or just had the folks surround the wagons cause the enemy is there.
I understand blogs, opinions, belief, faith that may not correlate. But when will we stop demonizing one another. All ex-gay men, women, ministries are not evil and have a right to exist for those who feel their sexuality in not compatible with their faith. All gay men and lesbians are not just about sex and are not out with their “gay agenda” to bring down the church (which will always be around), and to destroy the meaning of family. We love, we cry, we laugh, we get mad, we share our thoughts and ideas, we vote, we live and have a right to live freely like everyone else with the same legal rights.
Jeff, what the hell are you talking about?
“Ex-gay” institutions only exist in order to prop up the Religious Right’s lie that a naturally occurring manifestation of sexuality which can be lived out with just as much happiness and health as heterosexuality is intrinsically disordered and evil, and they only have a client base because of the Religious Right’s constant campaign to demonize gay people, and thus to abuse kids who realize they’re gay into fearing their God as an obtuse bully who would damn them simply being who they are. It’s a circle, you see. “Ex-gay” corporations charge the people who have been guilted by their churches, their churches continue to guilt others, etc. Also, these “ministries” have been proven by REAL science to be harmful to people, not based in fact, and not to be “therapy” at all. Most people who go through “ex-gay” 12 step programs end up taking the 13th step of embracing their true homosexuality. That’s why there’s always a new leading light in the movement, because whoever was popular with the ex-gay circles five years ago is probably busy being openly gay now.
And no one ever said all gays and lesbians were about sex. That’s your insinuation. Also, your description of the “gay agenda” is too stupid to respond to, except with a smirk.
And if “ex-gay” is real, then they’re not “ex-gay,” they’re straight, and they already have more rights than me, so they need to shut their traps.
Jeff Coe, what’s your point? That because you don’t believe anyone’s “mind has been changed” this site and others should just shut up and let these fraudulent ex-gay therapies continue to torture and bilk GLBT people?