Good news, handy lesbians, gays, and all other nice people: The two or three hundred most obnoxious Home Depot customers have decided to take their business elsewhere! So if you have any handy home projects you’ve been meaning to work on, this would be a good time to visit your local Home Depot and buy what you need. I was going to buy a couple of bookshelves next week, BUT MAYBE NOW I WILL WHITTLE THEM OUT OF WOOD, WITH TOOLS.
Also, give your local Home Depot a call and let the manager know how grateful you are for their support for the rights and happiness of ALL their customers.
Note to wingnuts: If you start going to Lowe’s or something, that’s fine, but they offer domestic partner benefits, so you run the risk that the money you spend on lumber to build your Home School Intelligunt Desine Classroom could potentially go to pay for health insurance benefits for one of their gay employees. Also, note to wingnuts doing home improvement projects in general: If you, in the course of fixin’ something, get a boo-boo, you need to know that ALL major drugstores (Walgreen’s, CVS, Rite Aid) are pretty decent supporters of LGBT equality, so you should probably abstain from purchasing any medicine for said boo-boo. AND if the boo-boo heals on its own without turning gangrenous and you find yourself hungry, you probably should avoid The Olive Garden, which is probably one of your favorite Fancy Places, because they’re pretty high on the equality list. And if you’re thirsty during your meal, continue to avoid all Coke and Pepsi products. AND SO ON. Click here to see all the things AFA wingnuts can’t do anymore, if they have an ounce of integrity.
(h/t Jeremy)
Funny how when LGBT people engage in boycotts the bigots go running to the courts crying that they’re victims of McCarthyism and sinister plots to threaten their very lives . The AFA calls for boycotts every other day and that’s considered wholesome “pro-family” activism.
This article is pretty funny, especially the punchline…AFA with moral integrity, have a better chance of me stop sucking dicks then those vultures showing anything close to integrity.
If Mountain Dew goes gay inclusive, I predict a spat of suicides off the Tallahatchie bridge.
BTW–that s**t has more sugar in it than Cuba–no wonder the poorer inhabitants of Wingnutville look like walking jack-o-lanterns.
Think I’ll make a trip to Home Depot today.
Domestic partner benefits include both homosexual and heterosexual ‘couples’. Fact of the matter is, most hetereosexual partners get married because of the benefits. So your reference to boycotting other stores such as lowe’s walgreen’s etc. doesn’t carry much sting, if any. What home depot is doing is quite a step beyond any internal corporate policy. Home Depot has made the decision to publicly take a stand on a very divisive issue. Bad mistake — i see corporate dollars going down the drain. Just a matter of time before the orange aprons turn the color of the rainbow. Fact of the matter is we’ll never see same sex marriage legalized in federal form. And the few states that have, well, like i said, the few states and that’s all folks!
Oh, silly Matt. You think pleasing wingnuts is good business? Hahaha. That’s adorable.
The reason most companies are trying to be supportive of the LGBT community is because it’s GOOD BUSINESS for them. They have little to nothing to gain from appeasing the drooling, barking wingnuts whose average age is “going to die of old age soon.”
LOL, keep holding on to that dream Matt.
Oh, and yes, full marriage equality is coming because, again, the people who oppose it are OLD. The younger generations are solidly behind full equality for LGBT people, and every year, tons of them turn 18, and tons of gay haters die of old age.
I don’t know about that, Evan. Probably true to a point, but… some of those old folks have taught an awful lot of hate to some of us young folks, unfortunately.
I hate it when I wake up and Liberals have not turned on their brains. As this is an everyday occurance without fail, you’d think I would be used to it.
Einsteins:
The AFA’s beef with the HD is not [just] about their support of the LGBT agenda. The boycott was occasioned by the hypocrisy and dichotomy of allowing one group to do athing and not another; HD fired an Wingnut ( I also take note you dont mind name calling….unless it is directed at FruitCakes ) for wearing a badge in support of his country and religion, while allowing the fruitcakes to wear all sorts of stuff promoting their agenda. THIS is what the beef is about.
(With this in mind, will it strain your intellects TOO terribly much to limit your comments and responses to THE TOPIC???)
So I guess we can safely infer that Fruitcakes have no more moral highground than Wingnuts, as Fruitcakes dont seem to mind discrimination either – so long as it is directed at Wingnuts and not at themselves.
The ‘equal rights’ you crave, if the postings here are any yardstick, seems mainly to be better defined as ‘Get-Even-Ism”. Like Feminism.
Shea
Evan :
You claim that ‘pacifying” the LGBT peoples is GOOD BUSINESS for HD.
Simple math will suffice in this case to show the ridiculousness of such a statement.
The most current figures indicate that gay/lesbian/bisexual persons make up no more than 3% of the population. The Centers for Disease Control’s National Center for Health Statistics reveals that only 2.3% of the population is homosexual/Bisexual
How many gay people are there in the United States?
The Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law, a sexual orientation law and public policy think tank, estimates that there are 8.8 million gay, lesbian, and bisexual persons in the U.S based on the 2005/2006 American Community Survey, an extension of the U.S. Census (Gary J. Gates, 2006, “Same-Sex Couples and the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Population: New Estimates from the American Community Survey”). This amounts to 2.9% of the population.
In a Friend of the Court brief filed with the U.S. Supreme Court on March 26, 2003 in the Lawrence v. Texas, In footnote 42 on page 16 of this legal brief, 31 homosexual and pro-homosexual groups admitted the following: “The most widely accepted study of sexual practices in the United States is the National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS). The NHSLS found that 2.8% of the male, and 1.4% of the female, population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. See Laumann, et al, The Social Organization of Sex: Sexual Practices in the United States (1994). This amounts to nearly 4 million openly gay men and 2 million women who identify as lesbian.”
Now, what percentage of any group actually GOES to these centers on a regular. Irregular shoppers are not valid statistically unless taken as a sub-group and are not a main effect variable in the corporations bottom line. Regular shoppers across all demographics is at about 35% of the population. We can safely apply this statistically using the McNaughton Rule to each sub demographic unless demostrated otherwise. What this means is that 35% of Gays and lesbians shop at HD just like 35% of Christians do.
So what this means is if that EVERY gay and lesbian person stopped shopping at HD, not only would it not affect their bottom line ( loosing 1/3 of 2.9% of the populations business is NOT significant in any statistical model) they likely wouldnt even notice. However, Christians vastly outnumber gays and lesbians, comprising the bulk of the population by far. If 35% of 92% stopped shopping at their stores, meaning if every christians who shops there stopped, they would be out of business in a month.
Problem is, the US has become another Rome, and its people complacent, and so the Christians simply will not stop shopping there in enough numbers to make a difference. Just like their not going to stop drinking Coke. They COULD cripple Coke, HD and anyone else thy chose to IF they could rally the solidarity, but sadly they wont. They are too comfy, too complacent.
Sheep.
- Shea
Shea:
LGBT people are better and more loyal consumers than fundamentalist wingnuts, who don’t tend to be the highest paid bunch of apples. Also, rabid fundamentalists are a minority AMONG CHRISTIANS, most of whom think that fundamentalists are frothing morons. Republicans in general are often wealthy, but rabid fundamentalism tends to attract overextended exurbanites looking for something to fill their empty lives.
Also, sorry about your threatened penis, I guess?
Evan : I see you know absolutely nothing about statistical analysis so I shall dismiss your commentary in that vein as the ramblings of an armchair statitician, if not for the tremendous belly laugh I got from such a ridiculous statement as, “LGBT are better and more loyal consumers than…….”. Ok, now I have stopped laughing enough to ask that you please cite your source in a peer-reviewed journal for such a silly ( and untrue ) statement on statistics, which has already been readily established that you are woefully deficient in….(pardon the dangling preposition ).
I do take note of your bigotry though, and again renew my observation that the LGBT crowd has no more moral high ground than the groups they descry.
You then babbled something about rabid fundamentalists for the first time in this discussion and I was wondering where THAT non-sequitur came from? The discussion was not and is not limited to rabid fundamentalists, in fact a text search of the previous thread and commentary reveals no instance of the phrase rabid fundamentalists nor even fundamentaists until you said it just now. Do try and keep up with the discussion old bean………
And who said I was a “Christian”? You err in making such an unfounded assumption sir.
And now we get to one of primary bigotries and stereotypes about the gay lifestyle. Thanx to EVAN for playing the part perfectly and seemingly proving the opossitions point – the charge that the gay lifestyle is mainly hedonistic and sexual. Bloody hell old fellow, you just could not have a discussion about something without mentions someoneones dick; you’re neurons misfired ( again ) and caused your mouth to babble nonesense about my threatened penis. If this is not the mother of non-sequiturs I dont know what is. But it seems your opposition may be correct, at least your behavior is adding weight to their argument. In the future, do try and carry on a discussion and leave the sexual inuendos out of it.
My observations is that the LGBT crowd would not have nearly the acceptance problems that they do were it not for in-your-face confrontational persons like Evan. Persons like thjis are not interested in peaceful co-existence, they are interested in confrontation and get-even-ism. They are worse than the ones they oppose.
Yawn. Why does any of this have to be EXPLAINED??? HMMM????
- Shea
Shea said “The Centers for Disease Control’s National Center for Health Statistics reveals that only 2.3% of the population is homosexual/Bisexual…Evan : I see you know absolutely nothing about statistical analysis so I shall dismiss your commentary in that vein as the ramblings of an armchair statitician”.
How ironic of you to accuse Evan of knowing nothing about statistical analysis when you LIED about what the Center for Disease Control’s statistics said.
The figures are actually as follows:
For men:
2.3% said they were homosexual
1.8% said they were bisexual
3.9% said they were something other than heterosexual
1.8% refused to answer
For Women:
1.3% said they were homosexual
2.8% said they were bisexual
3.8% said they were something other than heterosexual
1.8% refused to answer.
So, 8% of men and 7.9% of women said they were not heterosexual. Its a virtual certainty that all of them are gay/bisexual and those in the third category rejected the “homosexual” label due to its negative connotations. Its also a virtual certainty that those who refused to answer were all gay/bisexual as no one has any reluctance to admit they’re heterosexual so the totals realistically are:
9.8% of men are gay/bisexual and 9.7% of women are lesbian/bisexual.
This is consistent with a study of thousands of New York city gays which showed aproximately 10% of men have sex with men even though most of them wouldn’t admit to being gay.
As to your alleged Home Depot discrimination against christians, I’ve never seen one of these incidents that was actually as bigots like you described. In every case it was not discrimination but a justifiable action. Le’ts see a non-christian account of this alleged discrimination so we can judge for ourselves. Given the whopper of a lie you just told about the percentages of gays in the U.S. population we have no reason to take your word for this supposed discrimination.
Shea, the penis comment was in reference to the fact that you’re leaving long, rambling comments on a gay blog that can basically be summed up as “I know y’all are, but what am I?!”
The reason being good to gay employees and the LGBT community in general is good business (and why MOST large companies get more gay friendly every year) is that, though gays may be under 10% of the population, those who support equal rights comprise a growing sector of the population. The only metric on which we’re not consistently over 50% (yet) is marriage. Anti-gay bigotry is not socially acceptable in grown-up, educated society, and guess who spends money? Grown-up, educated people. Your suggestion that because there the country is 80% Christian, that should outweigh LGBT people’s concerns betrays your childish pipe dream that “Christians” as a whole will ever be against gay people again. The anti-gay sector of the population will be as fringe as the Klan in a couple of generations.
Oh, and the psychosis betrayed was in your reaction to my penis comment. Apparently a person can’t mention one around you without your mind going directly to sex and shame?
Shea said “My observations is that the LGBT crowd would not have nearly the acceptance problems that they do were it not for in-your-face confrontational persons like Evan.”.
LOL, you fool! If it weren’t for people like Evan 90% of the U.S. population would still be thinking like it did in the 50′s and want to put LGBTs in jail.
Priya, Shea is basically using the same argument the racists used in the 50s and 60s about how if blacks just “knew their place,” none of this would be a problem.
Basically, Shea said I’m “uppity.”
Thank you all for proving my point.
For the record, no one lied about any statistics. I provided several sources, you attacked only one. I’ll fetch the URL and post it in a followup – email them and tell them their business and that they are lying.
For the record I am not anti-gay in the least! Nor am I pro-fundamentalist, GOD forbid!!!! Nor am I even to be considered CHRISTIAN by most standards. I deplore religion, the Catholic Church in particular, Protestantism, Islam, and most the religions of the world have my disdain.
As usual, in defense of insult not meant, everyone of you have responded to me with some sort of logical fallacy.
My comments were simply directed at Evans silly commentary and implication that the dollars spent by the gay population was a main-effect variable in their corporate bottom line. Its not. Dream all you want. He did not say, Gays and everyone not staunchly fundamentalist. He said LGBT.
Evan, there is nothing wrong with being gay, no one said there was, certainly not me. But one mustnt be in denial of our position with delusions of grandeur, thinking there are more of you than there are. 3 % 10%, it doesnt matter. only 1/3 of either figure shops at HD AND LOWES together, so HD loosing 1/6 of 3% or of 10% isnt going to even be notice, on the books at least. I sure you will be outside making a fool of yourself……
I do find it so amusing how you guys have twisted what I said into, well, the BS above.
I had no idea this could be so amusing – and I thought the fundamentalist and catholic apologetic sites to be fun with their rabid defenses……I do say you jolly fellows are giving them a close race!!!!
Lets have another go fellows!!!!
- Shea
Priya, can you simply add the first three catagories in a statistical analysis like it apears you did to get 8%? It would be nice to see the assumptions behind the questions and how the study was conducted. Did the CDC conclude that also?
BTW, what defines a heterosexual? Would youthful experimentation with friends once or twice mean a person is not a heterosexual?
Priya writes:
For men:
2.3% said they were homosexual
1.8% said they were bisexual
3.9% said they were something other than heterosexual
1.8% refused to answer
For Women:
1.3% said they were homosexual
2.8% said they were bisexual
3.8% said they were something other than heterosexual
1.8% refused to answer.
So, 8% of men and 7.9% of women said they were not heterosexual. Its a virtual certainty that all of them are gay/bisexual and those in the third category rejected the “homosexual” label due to its negative connotations. Its also a virtual certainty that those who refused to answer were all gay/bisexual as no one has any reluctance to admit they’re heterosexual so the totals realistically are:
9.8% of men are gay/bisexual and 9.7% of women are lesbian/bisexual.
This is consistent with a study of thousands of New York city gays which showed aproximately 10% of men have sex with men even though most of them wouldn’t admit to being gay.
The concern troll accidentally showed his/her hand when he/she referred to gays as “FruitCakes.” Not anti-gay?
Evan Babbled:
“Apparently a person can’t mention one around you without your mind going directly to sex and shame?”
Yeah, thats it. You nailed it Evan. Wow, your smart.
God I need oxygen, I havent laughed this hard since I had the bad luck to run across a Falwell broadcast a few months back and watched out of morbid fascination!
You guys are the POLAR OPPOSITES of those you descry. They are at one end of the extreme, and you are at the other. HOW do you differe in any real way? your all bigots, with the ‘think like I do or your WRONG and UNENLIGHTENED ( and in the case of christians, going to Hell – shivers, oh my ) philosophy. You hate them, they hate you, and both with this misplaced idea that your better and more enlightened than your opponents, or anyone. You accuse me ( not who you think I am ) of lying about figures simply because you found some competeing figure in suport of your position, you accuse funbdamentalists of doing the same thing, yet I bet no LGBT ever lied about anything or twisted and tweaked figures and facts to suit their own needs, huh Evan? Oh no, no LGBT would do that, because THAT would be wrong. You are hypocrite and a liar, and no better than those you descry. You employ the same weapons and devices as those who persecute you, you hate as they do. You are no different and certainly no better. Just the same.
- Shea
Shea, do you need something?
Sigh x 1000
Evan said: “The concern troll accidentally showed his/her hand when he/she referred to gays as “FruitCakes.”
Oh, you mean like when you FIRST refered to your opponents as WINGNUTS? So Evan doesnt mind name calling, as long as it isnt directed at him or HIS group, but it is OK for him to engage in it, because, well HE is right and his opponents are not. What BOLD HYPOCRICY!!!!
And I am sure that no other LGBT’er ever refered to Str8′s by a negative appellation, because that would be wrong, right Evan?
Other than your sexual orientation, I see no difference between you and your other knee-jerk cohorts here, and the same fools I debate with on the “other side”.
You’re no different than those you Hate Evan. Your EXACTLY the same.
Shea, It seems what you are really upset about is the attitude you perceive some GLBT may have. But consider this; Should not a cause, any cause, be justified on it’s own objective merits and not on whether or not you like the politics of the proponents?
The concern troll, who claims not to be a wingnut, is really upset by the term “wingnut.”
Perhaps the concern troll is upset that “wingnut” has become extremely common parlance for a certain pants-shitting segment of the population.
Perhaps the concern troll has missed its nap?
Shea said “For the record, no one lied about any statistics. I provided several sources, you attacked only one.”.
Oh, spare us your BS Shea, we’ve already seen enough of it. You most certainly lied about the CDC stats, you specifically said “The Centers for Disease Control’s National Center for Health Statistics reveals that only 2.3% of the population is homosexual/Bisexual”. That is NOT what the CDC stats said and everyone can check it out for themselves here:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad362.pdf
What they said is outlined in my previous post – somewhere between 8-10% of the population is gay/bisexual and that is certainly on the low side given that many gay/bisexual people fear admitting they aren’t heterosexual and will claim they are to avoid persecution, loss of job and so forth. For the same reason your census statistics certainly don’t count all gay/bisexual people, many, if not most gays are closeted and will deny being anything other than heterosexual. As we can see from the New York survey when people are asked about sexual behaviors instead of labels a much higher percentage acknowlege a same sex sexuality.
“Evan said: “The concern troll accidentally showed his/her hand when he/she referred to gays as “FruitCakes.”
Shea said “Oh, you mean like when you FIRST refered to your opponents as WINGNUTS?”.
Spare us your faux outrage. If you really thought namecalling was wrong you wouldn’t have participated in it. I am anti-anti-gay and your willingness to demean gays leaves no doubt you are anti-gay.
You can pretend you’re laughing at this discussion but moral people recognize that lying and oppressing minorities is no laughing matter.
Bob asked “Priya, can you simply add the first three catagories in a statistical analysis like it apears you did to get 8%?”.
Yes.
Shea said “You’re no different than those you Hate Evan. Your [sic] EXACTLY the same.”.
LOL, we’re completely unlike them. They seek to deny us equal rights under the law, we support them having equal rights under the law.
Evan Asked Shea: “Shea, do you need something?”
Actually Evan I do, thank you for asking. I simply cannot locate a decent replica of Poussins “Les Bergers d’Arcadie” for under $5000. If you might happenstance to be into classical art and know where one may be acquired, preferably about the size of the famous one hanging in the Louvre, about 4ft x 6ft. My only stipulation is that it must be on canvas, but machine replicated is ok. Hand replication is simply out of my price range.
This is not sarcasm but an honest response to your question, which I know was not sincere, but here is my asnwer none-the-less.
Other than that, I dont know that there is anything that I need at the moment, and I dont NEED that in the strictist sense of the word. But it would be nice.
- Shea
I was just wondering why you were still talking.
Bob Asked Shea:
“Shea, It seems what you are really upset about is the attitude you perceive some GLBT may have. But consider this; Should not a cause, any cause, be justified on it’s own objective merits and not on whether or not you like the politics of the proponents?”
Thank you Bob for your polite response and question.
To answer, in this instance of the AFA and what their beef is with HD, my ire is the dichotomy and hypocricy ( sp) of HD actions in allowing LGBT supports to wear and display buttons endorsing and supporting their agenda and beliefs & the things they are proud of, AS THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO, while denying another Christian employee the right to do the same thing. A Christian should be allowed to wear his stuff, and a gay or lesbian allowed to wear their stuff, and liberal should be allowed their stuff, a conservative his, and everyone in between, like me. HD has not done this, and has discriminated against a patriotic/religous display but allowed others. THIS is the AFA’s beef, and oddly enough, mine.
Christians are the modern-day scapegoats, again, in history, and NOT that it is not deserved either. If you knew a tenth of what I know of Christianity and the crimes and horrors perpetrated by the Church over the past 2000, you’d cringe.
And as Evan so ‘spiritedly’ points out, the rabid fundamentalistsm, which i would see the world rid of just as quick as he, simply does not typify modern day christians, most of whom are decent loving people. The current incarnation of the body of belivers today are not to be held responsible for the excesses of the past incaranations of same.
Evan and his other knee-jerk compatriots can whine all they like – I debate with EXACTLY the same type of people “on the other side”. Priya Lynn said that the Gay population is NOT like their opponents, but in all ways that matter, they are. They hate, they have there reasons and rationalizations for such, just as their opponents do. The utilize much the same devices in their debates and diatribes, most of them logical fallacies, and beem and pat themselves on the pack thinking they’ve accomplished something or won some victory over their rivals.
Priya says they seek to deny you fellows your rights, but that the opposite is not true, yet where were the LGBT supports when this poor christian got canned for wearing HIS/HER stuff? Did you come to their defense as you would one of your own, defending their right to wear their stuff, even if you dont agree with it?
The pointing, for the more obtuse here, is that if the LGBT was TRUELY concerned about equal rights for everyone, they would have been at this womans side, defending her right to wear her stuff as well. it is not a pre-requisite that you agree with it to defend her RIGHTS.
Therefore, unless someone can show me where the Gay community has come to the defense of Christians who is being discriminated against, then there IS no difference between the two.
Wow, now theres an idea – what a TREMENDOUS way for the Gay community to advance their cause……to come unbidden to the aid of Christians who are being discriminated against.
Be bigger than your opponents.
- Shea
Christians are not the modern day scapegoats. That’s what Christians, who, as you pointed out, comprise 80% of the population, tell themselves sometimes when something happens which chips away at the self-constructed pedestal from which they’ve been lording over society for years.
What’s happening, with the secularization of ALL modern nations, is that the fundamentalists are basically kicking and screaming as they’re dragged down to the same level with everyone else.
Any Christian who actually believes Christians are “victims” is just bitching and moaning, and we’re used to it.
Also, this is a beautiful thing:
“The pointing, for the more obtuse here, is that if the LGBT was TRUELY concerned about equal rights for everyone.”
All of we who are obtuse are “truely” paying rapt attention to “the pointing.”
Evan Asked Shea:
“I was just wondering why you were still talking”
For the same reason you are? Or maybe just because you dont want me to – wouldnt that be reason enough to continue? I thought you liked confrontation?
L’arme primaire de votre cause célébrée. No?
- Shea
I’ll wait Evan – I am on a LONG flight……
- Shea
If you’ll notice, Shea, my responses to you have been short. Yours to me have been very, very long-winded, but you’ve actually said little of any substance. The conversation is not interesting.
Evan babbled ( again ):
“Any Christian who actually believes Christians are “victims” is just bitching and moaning, and we’re used to it.”
Just as everyone else is used to YOUR bitching and moaning and whining and those of your agenda. Get over yourself Evan – your not that important in the scheme of things.
But I will continue, beacause it is my RIGHT, right Evan?
C’mon, lets confrontate – your weapon of choice….
Evan – Oh, the little man doesnt speak anything but English. how droll.
Evan dear fellow, my responses to you are long for a reason. You have to throw more rocks to penetrate a denser piece of material. Simple physics.
Shea, sweetheart: You haven’t proven your grasp of the English language, so we are not impressed by your ability to pull a French phrase out of your arse.
Let’s start with this: “Your” is a possessive. “You’re” is a contraction of “you” and “are.” This is basic, elementary school s**t.
Priya, I looked around the site and could not seem to find where this report was. Would you please provide a link to where you found the report or the exact title
so I can look at it myself. Thanks.
Bob asked “Priya, can you simply add the first three catagories in a statistical analysis like it apears you did to get 8%?”.
Yes.
Shea, thanks for the response. It seems your bone is simply over the concept of comparative fairness. As we all know, life is not always fair and it is a fruitless excercise to get worked up about that. Social and political groups organized around a cause should not be expected to expend their recources for outside causes, such as defending a Christian fired by The Home Depot.
You seem to be angry that TWO is not concerned about that case but why in the world should they be? It’s simply not their issue. People in TWO are committed to GLBT rights and there are other groups that can defend Christians if they ever need defending. But I agree with Evan that Christians are not victims. In fact, Christians should never cast themselves as victims because that contradicts with Christ’s charge to turn the other cheek. But you can pursue helping that person if you truly feel he was wronged.
Anyway, you should expext TWO to criticize AFA because AFA wants to stop GLBT civil rights. If you agree that GLBT people should be allowed the same civil rights, as you stated, I suggest stop fighting here because there really is no point except that you are angry.
BTW, I believe the ACLU, a liberal group, has defended this type of case.
About the person posting with the name “Matt Shephard”–if that’s not your real name you should be ashamed of yourself.