You’ve got some massive brass balls, preaching about faith-based conversion therapy on a site that exposes the lies behind faith-based conversion therapy.

Gay people don’t need to change. The people who need to change are ignorant bigots like you.

“I just want to show what trouble homosexuality brings into my community.”

This is the same trouble that heterosexuality brings to your community, but you don’t seem to give a crap about that, do you?

Yes, A-Him, when I discuss “the science,” I am discussing something called ‘scientific consensus.’ The scientific consensus on sexuality is that homosexuality is a perfectly normal occurrence, that it is biological origin, and that it probably results from a combination of factors. What you refer to as scientists “disagreeing” is either malignant or stupid, because it betrays your misunderstanding of how science works.

If you would like to learn about these things, look into actual, peer-reviewed scientific journals, learn how to read a study, and then get back to us in like 50 years when you’re done with that.

I started to write comments because you posted an article on Hong Kong, which is the city where I live and which I care about. My friend in the mainland China asked me to find materials on reparative therapy in Chinese, so I was making a google search for ex-gay groops in Hong Kong and found this article. That’s it. I am not trolling gay blogs, as you can see.

I am not suggesting anything to millions, and definitely not the things you are writing about, I never wrote this, so you have no grounds to accuse me of making poor spouses miserable. God gave us free will, so a person with homosexual tendencies can choose for himself what to do with his or her life.

I visited your website by clicking your name, you are a public speaker, you are doing good job, but I am not trying to scare people about LGBT individuals, I stand for the right of all individuals to be given objective information on this matter.

I am not a scientist myself, neither are you, although Mr Hurst claims a status of a professional. Yes, you are professionals gay movement, no mistake. Your notion that the science is quite clear that gay people cannot change is a groundless generalisation. Firstly, talking about homosexuality, there is no such thing and “the science”, there are scientists, and they opinions differ. Secondly, homosexuals and heterosexuals have identical physiology (let’s leave out some unclear findings in the brain of deceased homosexuals with AIDS), so they do not need to chage physically, homosexuality is a psychological phenomenon, and you just cannot say “cannot change” when psychology is concerned. Anything can happen in such case. I do not mention miracles that God can perform, this is not in your set of reasons, so I leave it out.

I believe that change is possible, although it is very hard, and personally I believe that faith and Church play important role in the change, at least for one reason, which you might understand: it provides support and hope. But there are reasons you will not understand, which are more important, but I do not want you to mock at them, so I leave them out, those who wish to find out, will find out.

As for those homosexuals who cannot change when they try, it’s not that they cannot change in principle, it’s that many give up, for change is not instant, extremely painful and requires a lot of effort. Well, even when change does not happen, there is always a choice based on personal beliefs: to live a homosexual life or not.

Disgraceful behaviour of some ex-gay leaders cannot be used as a proof of normality of homosexuality, it only shows that change is hard, and people make mistakes. Doctors know how harmful smoking is yet many of them cannot withstand the addiction. The only difference is that smoking doctors are still doctors, whereas ex-gay leaders involved in homosexual behaviour cannot longer be leaders and, unfortunately, cannot longer be trusted, at least for a certain time. Nevertheless, their behaviour cannot be used as a proof of the failure of reparative therapy.

“Have you no morality or shame? Are you a con artist who profits from peddling false information.” You deserve the same question. Unfortunately, our understandings of moral values and things we feel ashamed for have now drifted apart, so it’s hard, although not impossible, for us to understand each other on this point, so it is wise to leave this out of this discussion if it can be called one.

Seriously, I do not intend to to anything with millions of gay people, but I tell those who I meet what I think about the problem of homosexuality.

Mr Besen, I do not think that I was dishonest in the matters of who I am and what I want. If you think so, you can ban me from this blog, that would be great if you could leave my comments as well as comments of the others, it will be useful for both of us: for you they will show how stupid are these anti-gay people, for me they will provoke people to think.

Although I refuse your demand for meticulous explanation of my agenda, you have no right to ask for this, and I do not deem it necessary to say more than I wish to on this matter, but not in order to conceal truth, as you might say, I have no other truth than that I have told you.

Finally, you have read the news, and RTHK is a reputable and unbiased source, the news also is not biased. You are right about world statistics, but since you warned Hong Kong residents, I wish to focus here on Hong Kong issues and statistics since it is my city and warn my people too. And I do not want to play the disease game. I just want to show what trouble homosexuality brings into my community.

You are saying “It is not a moral judgment from God, as you smugly and pigheadedly suggest”. In our Church we refrain from this sort of conclusions on any matter. Firstly, we cannot know God’s ways and judgments; secondly, even those things which we see as punishment, God turns into our benefit if we are ready for that. So I posted the news only for the reasons explained in the previous paragraph.

You wrote “What you do is immoral and despicable. You suffer from poor character, lack common decency and have no honor.” Well, you are being too harsh and I gather you do it on purpose. These are very beautiful and powerful words you have written, but we are in different systems of values and what is moral for you is immoral for me, no wonder you think the same. Let others make their minds. I’ve said.

Are you suggesting that millions of people who can only express their love though same-sex relations instead marry people they do not love and are not attracted to? The result being miserable gay people and even more miserable spouses? How, exactly, is this helpful?

Or, maybe you are just trying to scare people about LGBT individuals in hopes of inciting ridicule, rejection, persecution, imprisonment. Or, would you take it a step further and encourage mass murder?

Because the science is quite clear that gay people cannot change. Even “ex-gay” groups will tell you that the vast majority of LGBT people cannot change and do not change in their programs. NARTH’s lead scientist George Rekers was recently caught with a rent-boy, yet the booklet in Hong Kong ignorantly and arrogantly peddles his work, by citing NARTH.

Have you no morality or shame? Are you a con artist who profits from peddling false information.

Seriously, stop dancing around your real agenda. What is it that you want? What do you intend to do with millions of gay people? What is your vision? What is your end game?

Because right now, you are using code words and petty arguments to obscure what it is you are truly after. If you can’t be honest about who you are and what you want, then you will be banned from this site. So, make sure your next comment is reasonably intelligent and meticulously spells out your agenda.

Finally, HIV is a disease. It can be contracted by anyone — not just gay people, in case you have not noticed, the majority of people in the world with HIV are heterosexual.

If you want to play the disease game, any moron can distort statistics to show another group should be discriminated against. For example a bigoted idiot who wanted to condemn Asian women might trot out this little statistic:

Rates of end-stage-renal-disease are increasing at a rate of 11% per year for Asian and Pacific Islanders compared to 6% per year for whites.(Healthy People 2010, 2nd ed. Washington, DC: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, U.S. Government Printing Office; November 2000.)

Yeah? So what? Does this mean Asian women have a dangerous lifestyle? The fact is, in the ebb and flow of humanity, different groups will be more susceptible to diseases for a variety of reasons — including bigotry that drives them underground. It is just the way it is. It is not a moral judgment from God, as you smugly and pigheadedly suggest.

The fact is, that most gay men do not have HIV. The rate for those who use condoms regularly is practically nil. And, lesbian sex is much safer than heterosexual sex So, if you truly gave a damn about diseases, you would be teaching safe sex seminars for gay men and urging straight women to go gay. But, you are not doing any of these things – because you don’t give a damn about the science. What you do is cherry-pick science to support an ideological — and farcical — agenda.

A-Him, gay people have been around for thousands of years before HIV and they will be around thousands of years after it is long gone and remains only in history books. So, your entire argument as it pertains to civil rights and treatment in society is a straw man and totally irrelevant.

What you do is immoral and despicable. You suffer from poor character, lack common decency and have no honor.

Most of the new HIV cases were acquired through homosexual or bisexual contact. A consultant with the department, Wong Ka-hing, said although the latest figures were consistent with previous quarters, dealing with HIV transmission among gay people will remain a challenge.

RTHK English News, 31 August 2010

Hong Kong Residents: Beware!

My God was smart and she built up humankind with a genetic failsafe switch – too many people, make some that don’t procreate, but are otherwise normal, healthy productive individuals.
I know that many things are blocked in China… Sorry you don’t know the truth

Seriously, dude, we’re professionals here, and we deal with anti-scientific b******t all the time, so, if we’re dismissive, please, don’t worry your little head reading too much into it.

I’m not spending time psychoanalyzing what deep personal issues are causing you to troll gay blogs.