The mid-term elections are now just under a month away. LGBT people are, understandably, frustrated with the slow progress of things like DADT repeal, ENDA, and the continued reticence among elected Democrats when it comes to supporting the now very mainstream position of marriage equality. I agree with those who feel betrayed by leaders whose greatest weakness, I believe, is their utter lack of a spine when it comes to taking their own side in a fight.
I also understand why gay donations to Democrats are way down this cycle. But I’ve been hearing a bit of noise from some quarters about gay voters either A. staying home, or B. voting third party in order to “teach the Democrats a lesson.” I understand these sentiments, the lack of motivation that can come when the Democratic party does everything it can to woo gay voters, and then magically forgets about all of that when it comes time to govern.
All of that being said: Letting Republicans take either or both houses of Congress is worse. You know it is. I’ve heard the arguments that to continue voting Democratic is to be pussywhipped by that party, and I agree that it can be, if the wrong lessons are learned. But I can’t imagine any scenario where the right lesson is to cut off your nose to spite your own face. It seems to me that the best choice at this point is to make sure the GOP doesn’t take Congress and then after the November elections, work our asses off to be smarter in our lobbying and in our activism. Smarter does not necessarily mean louder, by the way; loud is good if there is a plan behind it, but it can also seem to the average bystander to be little more than shrill screaming. We may not have gotten as much done with Obama and a Democratic Congress than we would have liked at this point, but we’re certainly further ahead than we would be under a McPalin administration, and we’re certainly going to make more progress in the next Congress if it remains in Democratic hands. How much is an open question, but I’d rather have that than stagnation, or worse, a regression in the fight for equal rights. At least in the first scenario, we aren’t cutting our own power off.
With that in mind, having pissed off some of you while making others happy, I want to highlight two pieces which really drive home where we are, in my opinion. One is recent, and the other is from 2008.
The first comes from StrangeAppar8us at Rumproast, just a couple weeks ago, entitled “Why I Am Abandoning Obama and the Democratic Party Forever.” It’s spectacular, and deserves to be read in its entirety, but I’ll pull a few of the most relevant passages here:
? Notwithstanding the fact that I knew when I voted for him that there was no way out of Iraq and Afghanistan that would not further destabilize Central Asia, enhance Iran’s influence, encourage the collapse of Pakistan, challenge the cohesion of the NATO alliance and invite predictable power-play gambits from India, China and Russia that would totally recast the definitions of “victory” and “defeat,” I am upset that Obama has not brought all the troops home.
? I can’t believe he saved the US auto industry, because nobody cares about US cars or the people who make them.
? PS: Why would Obama not make Gay Marriage and Abortion the centerpiece of his agenda going into a November election where the Dems stand to lose the House and possibly the Senate to Extreme Social Conservatives?
Heh. Yeah. And the other one is truly one of the classics of liberal blogdom, from the 2008 election, when certain liberals were talking about protest voting for Ralph Nader, because the Democrats, quote, “aren’t helping the Left, so why should the Left help them?” Tbogg, that master of wit and sense who blogs in his own happy, sane corner of FireDogLake, replied:
Let me see if I can explain it this way:
Every year in Happy Gumdrop Fairy-Tale Land all of the sprites and elves and woodland creatures gather together to pick the Rainbow Sunshine Queen. Everyone is there: the Lollipop Guild, the Star-Twinkle Toddlers, the Sparkly Unicorns, the Cookie Baking Apple-cheeked Grandmothers, the Fluffy Bunny Bund, the Rumbly-Tumbly Pupperoos, the Snowflake Princesses, the Baby Duckies All-In-A-Row, the Laughing Babies, and the Dykes on Bikes. They have a big picnic with cupcakes and gumdrops and pudding pops, stopping only to cast their votes by throwing Magic Wishing Rocks into the Well of Laughter, Comity, and Good Intentions. Afterward they spend the rest of the night dancing and singing and waving glow sticks until dawn when they tumble sleepy-eyed into beds made of the purest and whitest goose down where they dream of angels and clouds of spun sugar.
You don’t live there.
Grow the fuck up.
“The Fluffy Bunny Bund.” I cannot read that without giggling uncontrollably, but it’s so true!
Politics is, unfortunately, a game. That’s the system we have. And we’re not playing it well if we’re seriously considering taking power from a party that is, in many areas, annoying, reticent, and slow, and giving it to a party that is just plain old batshit insane, on all issues, but especially on Our Issues. It does no one any good, and really, our nation is still in a pretty precarious place. I know that American voters on both sides of the aisle have a particular talent for forgetting history beyond ten minutes ago, but it would do us good to remember, on all issues, just how bad things were between 2000 and 2008. By almost every metric, things got worse and worse and worse.
Do the Democrats need to wake the hell up and grow a backbone and all of that? Sure. Do a lot of Democrats suck, in general, due to being basically Conservatives? Sure. We don’t have a Left party in this country, all the moaning and groaning of the Teahadists notwithstanding. We simply don’t. We have a far right insane wingnut party, and we have a centrist party which includes a good number of right-of-center conservatives. So liberals are left sort of underrepresented. But the answer, as usual, is to elect better Democrats; giving the country a couple years of Sharron Angle and Christine O’Donnell is counterproductive, and again, Americans aren’t all that smart. It takes exactly twelve minutes in this country for the GOP to establish a completely fake counter-narrative that takes root in the hearts and minds of people with double-digit IQs from sea to shining sea. This is what happens when one of the parties has a major cable network which is 100% committed to spreading its talking points and calling it “news.”
Feel free to argue with me about this, because I probably agree with a lot of what you’ll say. But on a meta level, from the air — I still see no good reason for gays to stay home this year. Make your displeasure with the Democratic party known in every way short of handing John Boehner the job of Speaker of the House. Absolutely. But it’s election time now, and we have to be grown-ups. If you live in a district where there’s actually a competition going on between the Democrat and the Republican, throw up in your mouth a little bit if you have to, but pull the lever for the Democrat. If you live somewhere that a protest vote or staying at home would be noticeable without being counterproductive, then by all means, go for it. But make sure you know what you’re doing.
It’s all about strategery, to quote a certain infamous American.










You are right. If you are regist. Dem, Vote, stay with the Dems.Faux channel isn’t real news anymore, it’s become a joke with 0 facts to back anything up. Repubs don’t care on needed progess for this country. All they do is lie and make things up.
Politicians are not activists. They are too interested in being elected to be activists.
Democrats particularly have a rough time. It seems that we’re always trying to drag society away from their complacency. Our goal is to make changes, upset the establishment, and extend rights.
All Republicans have to do is show up and cater to the “status quo”.
When I want to register my displeasure I write letters/emails, make phone calls or sign petitions. And I do those things. Once election day gets here we get to pick who is going to be in a position to run the country. I have no difficulty seeing how this would be a “hold your nose and vote” kind of election in many districts– or maybe just a year to remember my mama’s rule, “If you don’t vote you don’t get to complain.” I have no intention of giving up complaining.
Folks, please go out and vote.
This is much more than about politics and laws. It is about the tone and culture of the country. When anti-gay pols are running America, it gives people permission to hate that goes far beyond a checklist of legislation.
The answer is not to stay home on election day.
Well I am one who will be voting third party. C’mon people politicians understand 2 things money and votes. Smarter lobbying??? Do you know why the groups who lobby are successful? Because they speak with their money and votes. Do you think that the NRA gets what it wants because they lobby good? No they get what they want because they go to Congressman and say if you don’t vote our way you don’t get our money or votes. It seems like we in the GLBT just don’t get it. If there are no consequences lobbying is a joke. Wake up!!!
The problem I see with your construction there, Tim, is wrapping my head around the hilarious construct that NRA members would somehow NOT vote Republican under any circumstances.
Actually the NRA have supported Democrats. This year they are supporting Congressman John Salazar. They have endorsed Strickland for governor in Ohio, Chet Culver for governor of Iowa, Congressman Kurt Schrader in Oregon, and Congressman Tim Walz in MN all Democrats and that is all with a 5 minute search. See they know that votes and money matter.
My point, though, was that they are a primarily Republican entity, and that their average member doesn’t really go off the reservation.
The fact that they endorse conserva-dems sometimes, who also lay down and die to do what they want, is not a strong parallel to LGBT issues, where you have one party which obviously hates us, and one which is reticent.
The NRA obviously lobbies better than gay organizations, and they certainly protest better.
So which Democrat are you furiously trying to oust in order to replace it with a Teatard?
Never mind, I just looked up your congressman.
His record is stellar on our issues, as well as many others.
STELLAR.
Sorry but I disagree about the NRA they reward those who support them. All of these candidates are running against Republicans who would support them but they reward those in office who have supported it. We have the exact opposite with us. In many cases we have 2 candidates who don’t support us. I am not saying to not vote for Democrats who have our backs but when they don’t it’s best to vote 3rd party.
Because it’s better to potentially toss power to the party that definitely doesn’t support us just because you’re not a fan of your personal Democrat?
Third party advocates in this country have always had an inflated sense of their own importance.
They sure stuck it to the Dems by sailing George W. Bush into office in 2000, though!
Good job, y’all!
Yeah, just what we need – Jim (gays shouldn’t teach children) DeMint in a position of power. Come on folks, vote.
I can understand the appeal of voting for a third party candidate, BUT in the real world it almost always means you’re not only throwing away your vote, but often helping to swing an election to the worst of the two major party candidates. Voting third party has obvious emotional appeal as a way to reject both major parties, plus hopefully the added appeal of agreeing with their positions. But in my lifetime (66 years) every third party effort has become irrelevant or sputtered out entirely.
Having said that, I think it would be fascinating to have a highly relevant third party. I just don’t ever expect to see it.
I am in California, and I will vote for my senator (Boxer). However, if I lived in Arkansas there is no way in hell that I would vote for Blanche Lincoln in Arkansas. There is no reason to vote for someone who does not support us.
I agree that Blanche Lincoln blows a*s.
I do not agree that giving another vote to her Republican challenger is a better solution.
The Democrats control the White House and both houses of Congress (had 60 Sentate seats for a while). If they were ever going to stand up for gay issues, that was their chance. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!! We could have made the same lack of progress with McCain. Screw’em. I won’t be voting Demcrat this fall. … no offense Evan, but I really feel like TWO has become a Democratic Party website masquerading as a gay rights website. I’m sure I’ll get blasted for that one, but, sorry, got to call it as I see it.
Based on one post from me and one from Wayne?
But really, Jack, if you believe we would have made the same progress with McPalin that we have, I have a bridge to sell you.
It is way past time to take the Democrats to task for not standing up for our community when they controlled both the executive and legislative branches!!!! When will it be the right time for the Democrats to stand up for us in deeds and not just pretty words?!?! And are we just going to keep giving them a pass? Not me, and I hope not TWO. We should all be reading Obama and Congress the riot act, not coming up with reasons to let them give us another slap in the face. Again, wake up, the Democrats do not respect us. If anyone should be standing up to them, it should be you and Wayne. Instead, you guys are encouraging us to go to the polls and say “thank you sir, may I have another.”
Is anything I wrote even remotely close to “giving them a pass”?
It is Election Season, which is when we shift gears.
It’s time to hold our fire until the second week of November. Then, hopefully not having suffered too many losses to Teatards who will fight to make things WORSE for LGBT Americans, it’s time to re-strategize and be smarter. The last 2 years has been annoying, but it’s useful to remember that it’s a bad idea to be a Single Issue Voter, because it causes a person to lose sight of the big picture. Read the entire Rumproast link above.
I’m sorry that you perceive us as not screaming loud enough. I’m not going to speak for Wayne obviously, as he can do that for himself, but I personally would rather see more LGBT voters actually get a real sense for how politics works. I, perhaps naively, thought people might learn a few lessons during the health care fight, but I don’t see much evidence of it.
Have Obama and the Democratic Congress made mistakes? Yes, big ones. It seems to me more of an emotional reaction than anything to want to “punish” them by voting right-wing loons into office [and yes, that is what you are doing if you stay home or protest vote for idiot candidates with no chance of winning anything in anyone's lifetimes], rather than trying to learn the game so as to be better at it with the next Congress.
Some of what I’m hearing lately reminds me of that one faction of the libtard-o-sphere which, near the end of the healthcare fight, decided to be so poopypants about the loss of the public option that they were trying to kill HCR, as if somehow, magically, they were going to be able to poof it back into existence after a quick timeout. It’s the Underpants Gnome theory of politics, which, contrary to many people’s assumptions, actually doesn’t work.
Politics is incremental, and [this is a much larger subject] the current state of our Congress is such that, due to gerrymandering and the lack of term limits, as well as the corporate media and corporate whoredom on both sides of the aisle, it’s very, very difficult to get ANYTHING done up there, much less snap one’s fingers or chain yourself to Nancy Pelosi’s ankle and expect ENDA to all of a sudden burst out of a pinata in a cloud of confetti.
It’s a long-haul fight.
Did they f**k up DADT? God, yes. So obviously the solution is to let Jim DeMint and John McCain handle it in the next Senate?
Pardon me while I throw up.
You are absolutely giving them a pass. Oh, you say you understand our anger, etc. but no matter what we must still go vote the Democrats back into power. If the Democrats lose control of the House (they won’t lose control of the Senate), will gay rights go backwards in the next two years? No. If the Democrats retain control of Congress, will they suddenly jump onto moving gay rights forward? All evidence points to “no”. Why not teach them not to take us for granted? And if you guys know some way to lobby them more effectively, I wish you would have pulled that out of your hat when we had sizeable majorities in both houses of Congress and the Presidency.
And I guess since Gay Issues are the Only Issues We’re Dealing With as a Nation, we should petulantly vote only on those issues.
It’s a good thing that whole unemployment crisis is over.
Not to mention climate change, education funding, wars, a recession, the implementation of healthcare reform, etc…
Glad those are all solved too!
And really, two years of Republican control would be great for the House, as they find some reason to try to impeach Obama based on the fact that the dumbest Americans think he’s Kenyan…it’s good that things are going so swimmingly in this country that we can waste two years on s**t like that.
What have the Democrats done to improve the unemployment situation? What do they plan to do if we re-elect them? I honestly would like to know, cause they ain’t talking.
Seriously Evan, the Democrats are just as owned by Wall Street as the Republicans. Different talk, same actions.
Yes, they are, to a point.
But the stimulus did a hell of a lot of good. It should have been three times as large, but we don’t have a progressive party in this country. As I said above. And we can wish and hope that magically one will appear if we just stomp our feet enough, but we don’t. Most of what has been done has been Not Enough, but that doesn’t mean we throw in our towels and cry. We keep working.
See the above Tbogg passage again.
A stimulus three times as large wouldn’t have done anything other than send interest rates through the roof. In a typical recession, stimulus could speed recovery along. This is not a typical recession. This is a debt crisis. Our entire economy is overleveraged. We will either have to have years of subpar growth as consumers pay down debt, or a massive deleveraging as people default on their debts and values reset. Right now, we’re having a little bit of both, but there is still a lot of pain to go through, regardless of who is in power. And whether its Democrats or Republicans, the super rich and powerful will be well cushioned and protected as the economy rolls down the hill. Unfortunately, that’s just the way it is.
OH, good christ.
So, we’re voting with the Fluffy Bunny Bund, then?
And the stimulus was very poorly conceived and managed. A lot of waste. It should have been geared more towards infrastructure improvements. That would have provided short-term growth along with a more efficient economy in the future.
OK Evan, you explain to me what the Democratic platform is for job growth. Specifics, please. I don’t think they’re proposing another stimulus.
and for that matter, explain to me what their platform is on gay rights. what exactly are they going to do for our commmunity in the next two years if we put them back in power?
and, again, what is your plan for lobbying “smarter.” Specifics please. and just expressing annoyance at my questions does not constitute an answer ;)
Yes, it should have been geared toward infrastructure improvements. On that, we agree. However, it was gutted and larded with tax cuts at the GOP’s behest, which was ridiculous and stupid. So I guess we should just give power back to the GOP, because we know they’ll f**k things up and be serious about it, rather than just partially f*****g things up and trying to do some good in the process?
And I don’t know how much more progress will be made. It’ll be more difficult with losses of any sort on the Democratic side, but things like DADT repeal and ENDA have a better shot with Democratic majorities than they do with Republicans in control of ANYTHING. You’re asking me to look into a crystal ball or something, but the fact is that we don’t HAVE to look into the crystal ball to see what the GOP will do. They’re a guaranteed nothing.
How did the GOP gut and lard the stimulus when the Democrats controlled the House, Senate, and White House?
Why do we have a better shot with Democratic majorities in the next two years than in the previous two years? We will have just proven to them that they can kick us, lie to us, and then we will still support them. In that scenario, I think we would have less of a chance. Politics is a game of power. If we are weak, we will be taken advantage of. Our issues will never be taken seriously until we show that we won’t stand for being taken for granted. There are polls showing that Latinos may sit this election out. I guarantee you, the Democrats will react to this by taking Latino issues seriously before 2012. If our community just blindly goes to the polls and votes Democrats, they will continue to ignore us. Sorry for the soapbox, but I strongly believe this to be the case.
As for lobbying smarter, all the political gay organizations need to get together and speak in one voice, for one thing. There are so many organizations with different goals — and I’m not talking about TWO here, as we’re not political lobbyists — and when interest groups don’t speak with one voice, the message gets muddied.
And I’d like to see organizations do a better job of encouraging LGBT people to get involved beyond becoming hysterical and yelling, to really educate people as to how laws are made, and to push people, especially on the local level, to get involved in the political process.
And we should take a lesson from the most hated groups on K Street and learn how to truly form alliances with LOTS of Senators and Congressmen. It’s not a coincidence that the public option was taken off the table so quickly, because big pharma and the insurance industry are in so many people’s pockets! The LGBT community doesn’t have the money those groups do, so it will take some creativity, but that’s the way forward.
But you really can’t do that if you give the House to the teatards, can you?
“How did the GOP gut and lard the stimulus when the Democrats controlled the House, Senate, and White House?”
How? It’s called the threat of a filibuster.
“There are polls showing that Latinos may sit this election out. I guarantee you, the Democrats will react to this by taking Latino issues seriously before 2012. If our community just blindly goes to the polls and votes Democrats, they will continue to ignore us. Sorry for the soapbox, but I strongly believe this to be the case.”
Based on what?!
And just curiously, who are your awful Congressman/Senators that you feel the need to stick it to?
I need to check, but didn’t the Democrats have 60 Senate seats back when the stimulus passed? If so, the Republicans couldn’t filibuster.
Do you remember the “Ben Nelson” and the “Joe Lieberman” parts of the equation?
Also, at the beginning, and for too long, the Obama administration expressed a need, for whatever reason, to work across the aisle as much as possible.
This was stupid.
I am not hysterical, I am educated on the political process, and I am very involved in local politics.
and OBAMA LIED, OUR DREAMS DIED!!!!!,
okay maybe that was a bit hyserical ;)
But…don’t tell me you actually bought into the right-wing narrative that Obama was supposed to be some sort of liberal messiah…
I mean, liberals didn’t actually think that.
He’s a centrist, barely to the left of Hillary Clinton on some issues, barely to the right on others.
No, I never believed Obama would do much for our community. I actually think Hillary Clinton would have though.
Please, Obama has simply given us the presidency Hillary promised.
Really, though, this concerns me…
Why is so much with gay voters right now ALL about and ONLY all about “What have you done for gays?”
That’s the teabagger mindset — what have you done for me? — and it’s disheartening to see it from a purportedly more intelligent voting bloc.
Seriously? Hillary is a much stronger person than Obama and actually has the experience to know how to get things done.
This is not to say these issues aren’t of utmost importance, of course…along with a ton of other issues that are ALSO of utmost importance.
It just seems like lots of gay voters are completely one track right now.
Oh god, were you a PUMA?
Your thing about Hillary is neither here nor there. She made no major promises to the LGBT community that Obama didn’t, and your suggestion that she would do this or that is based only on your apparent reverence for the woman.
So you’re not sure about my intelligence? Well at least you’re not completely sure I’m stupid.
It’s not about “what have you done for me.” It’s what lies did you tell me that you had no intention of fulfilling? It’s about honesty and integrity.
I’m not sure how much reverence I have for Hillary. But I do respect her more than I respect Obama.