Propaganda does not deceive people; it merely helps them to deceive themselves.
-Eric Hoffer
Jim Burroway over at Box Turtle Bulletin does his thing on the new “study” (oh, did I just use scare quotes?) by Walter R. Schumm, concerning the outcome for children raised by gay parents…
Schumm’s paper, titled “Children of homosexuals more apt to be homosexuals: A reply to Morrison and to Cameron based on an examination of multiple sources of data,” essentially picks up where a very similar 2006 paper by Paul Cameron left off, which claimed that 33% to 47% of children of gay parents wound up being gay. Schumm’s paper claims that children of gay parents were 1.7 to 12.1 times as likely to become gay as children of straight parents…
And as Burroway points out, this isn’t simply an accusation that homosexuals breed by recruiting. It’s also a way of “proving” (gosh, I did it again) that homosexuality isn’t innate to ones biology, but rather is something caused by how a child is raised. Call it an anti-gay twofer.
Paul Cameron’s method is to cherry pick his data to get the results he wants. His evil genius is that he gets better and better with every new “study” (oh dear…) at doing this while making it seem like he isn’t. How can you question my results when I’ve pulled my data from only the most scientifically rigorous and impartial sources? Have you been reading lately about how mortgage repackagers and banks managed to foist millions upon millions of dollars worth of bad loans onto investors by bundling them with some good ones and hiding the details of everything in a torrent of questionable transactions? Yeah…it’s like that with Cameron. In his seminal pamphlet The Medical Consequences Of What Homosexuals Do, Cameron listed references to what the reader is lead to believe are articles in established peer reviewed journals, that turned out to be nothing more then letters to the editors. Like the junk mortgage repackagers, Cameron is counting on his readers not actually doing their own due diligence.
Schumm is a colleague of Cameron’s. So I go into this article by Jim Burroway expecting to see more of the same. And do I not leave disappointed!
But Schumm’s “meta-analysis” (and Cameron’s before him) doesn’t even have the benefit of being built off of random convenience samples. There were no convenience samples in any of the ten prior works that Schumm used for his meta-analysis. In fact, they weren’t even professional studies. They were popular books!
Dig it. Schumm takes Cameron’s three popular book data sources and adds to that an additional seven, as though piling on more junk data makes the data less junk. In gambling, this is what’s known as Doubling-Down. In academia, it’s called piling it higher and deeper.
That isn’t the end of the shady dealings in this “study” (I did it again didn’t I…) that Burroway uncovers for us. The advantage liars have is that, as Mark Twain said, a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes. But in the age of the Internet, truth has some ability to catch up. So while this “study” (whoops…) of Schumm’s can make a few waves for a short while, it’s basic dishonesty will quickly catch up to it. Everywhere that is, except the kook pews. And there is where it will find a home, polished and shining next to Paul Cameron’s initial “study” (oh well…). Because it gives them something new to scream at the heathen. Because it tells them what they want to hear. Because it lets them look themselves in the bathroom mirror every morning and not see someone who just wants to put a knife in their neighbor’s heart so they never have to know how what love and happiness and joy could have been theirs too had they not taken the knife to their own. Because it lets them fool themselves.







The other thing I noticed is that, even if there weren’t so many glaring problems with Schumm’s methods, associations, etc., he doesn’t even begin to answer the question he claims!
He says he’s trying to prove that homosexuality isn’t biological, yet [as per his study], seems to only find a slightly higher correlation between gay parents and gay children. Correlation does not equal causation, first of all, but again, ASIDE FROM THE FACT that his “study” is a bunch of poorly constructed crap, can anyone think of about five other reasons why gay parents could, possibly, have a few more gay kids?
I can see gay parents providing the kind of home environment where a gay kid could grow up more likely to be open and self accepting then otherwise. Schumm’s slightly higher correlation could be entirely that. But who knows? You can tell nothing about same-sex parents from this so-called study. Nothing at all.
That’s one of the first things that came to my mind. You would really have to find some kind of control to account for the fact that gay parents aren’t going to be anti-gay toward their gay children, where a certain percentage of straight parents will.
it’s important to note that a lot of the data, such as it is, is actually about biological gay parents and their offspring. (Box Turtle goes into details of one of the source used in both “studies” here: http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,012.htm)
So even if there was a higher co-occurrence of LGBT parents and LGBT kids it still would not rule out genetic factors. (and it might make the genetic case stronger)
So epic fail.
As soon as I saw the name Paul Cameron I knew it was pure b******t.
I’m not interested in whether homosexuality is ‘unnatural’ or dangerous to the perpetuation of the species – the human population needs to be reduced, so in that sense homosexuality could be providing an important service.
What I am concerned about is a fair analysis of the medical risks. Cameron’s article has been rebutted in terms of his references, his own qualifications, his quoting of popular vs peer reviewed sources. But what I want to see is a rebuttal of what appears to be a basic fact that sex acts that involve contact with feces, urine, etc are dangerously unhealthy.
1) is this correct?
2) if it is, what measures do homosexuals take to protect their health and the health of those they come in contact with?
Sue, assuming that you are actually interested, and not a concern troll, here’s your answer.
About 1/2 of all gay people are lesbians. I suspect anal sex is not high on their list for the most part. Lesbians also have much lower rates of STD’s of any sort than heterosexuals. But the logic you seem to be espousing, they are probably god’s chosen people. When you throw in the dangers of pregnancy, if health is a concern, then I think you should make laws against heterosexual behaviour except in the instance of intended reproduction. That’s that catholic way, except for priestly indulgences.
Not all gay men have anal sex. Not all straight people have anal sex either, only about 40% according to the CDC stats I read. Maybe you should talk about the inherent unhealthiness of heterosexuality?
I’m not sure what this remark about urine (which is sterile in healthy people) refers to. but the genitalia of men and women are also used for urine elimination. Maybe you should ask a
straight person about this, and find out how the cope with all the diseases they must be passing back and forth.
Whatever sex acts people do, gay or straight, there are usually no health consequences (apart from pregnancy), and certainly no diseases, if they are monogamous, and not diseased to begin with.
Coprophagia is common in the animal kingdom. I’ve met a few people who are into it. It’s not something i would recommend.
It’s also something that has nothing to do with being either striaght or gay.
Sue, sex between heterosexuals normally involves contact with urine and often with feces. Sex in a monogamous gay relationship is risk free just as sex in a monogamous heterosexual relationship is. The only dangerously unhealthy sex is that involving unprotected sex and multiple partners whether heterosexual or gay. Its these basic facts that rebut Paul Cameron’s wild distortions.
Priya and Ben, excellent answers. I will be interested to see if “Sue” responds.
Hey Sue, you do know that heterosexuals also engage in oral and anal sex, right? You do realize that pretty much any form of sex will expose your partner to bodily fluids. You’re not really that naive are you?
Ben, I am not a troll, I am asking an honest question. And yes, folks, I really am that naive. LOL! I appreciate the answer, it was obvious, but that’s the lesson, isn’t it? How certain assumptions can become so ingrained that we don’t even think about them.
Sue, you are welcome. I always assume that people are here to learn something, unless they are clearly of the -you-pervs-are-all-going-to-hell-or-Tupelo type. If they have a respectful question, it deserves a respectful answer.
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