Yesterday, over at the American Family Association’s hilarious “news” website, OneNewsNow, Peter LaBarbera said the following regarding openly gay megachurch pastor Jim Swilley:
“There’s no doubt in the Bible about whether homosexual practice is a sin,” the conservative advocate points out. “He says he knew he was — quote — ‘gay’ since he was a boy. Most boys don’t think about sex, much less homosexuality, so we’re wondering what happened in his early life. Obviously, he’s a confused man.”
Commenters here and elsewhere made fun of that statement, and quite rightly, because it’s self-evident to most of us what Swilley was talking about there. But when Peter reposted his comments at his own site, he expounded further:
In the One News Now article below, when I made the comment, “Most boys don’t think about sex,” I was referring to very young boys. I am always perplexed to hear adult homosexual men talk about how they “knew they were gay” from a very young age, say, five years old. Normally, boys don’t even know what sex is, much less homosexuality, in their early years, so such comments in an of themselves seem to indicate dysfunction, at best, or victimhood at the hands of a predator, at worst, in the young lives of these homosexually identified men.
This leads me to believe that what is self-evident to us actually needs to be explained, so I will do so. Because the Religious Right has lied so long about the nature of homosexuality, and indeed, sexuality itself, that they actually believe their own lies, they have reduced homosexuality to a “temptation” or an “affliction,” and moreover, they have convinced themselves that being gay is All About Sex. It’s an asinine belief, but it is what they believe.
Peter: Sexuality is not all about sex, thoughts of sex, or having sex. Sexuality, whether hetero, homo, or somewhere in between, is about which gender/s a person is geared to connect with on ALL levels. This starts to manifest in childhood. Think about kids on the playground. Little boys pushing girls down in the sandbox. Little girls harassing the crap out of the boys around them. A friend of mine was telling me the other day about how his four year old son is COMPLETELY the Don Juan of his preschool daycare. When he gets there, four or five girls glomp all over him, and he stands there with his arms around them like “Lookuh me. These my girls!” Are ANY of these kids thinking about sex? No. But I’ll bet money that most of the kids I just described will end up being heterosexual as adults.
LIKEWISE, kids who grow up to be gay have those same feelings about kids of the same gender. Again, they are not sexual feelings, by any stretch, but they’re just the completely normal first pangs of what will, one day, be their full adult sexuality. And yes, many gay men can look way back, in hindsight, and say “Yeah, I knew I was drawn to the boys.” Likewise for lesbians. Even at age five.
Personally, I can’t look that far back, but I can go back to age eleven, a good two years before I hit puberty and started thinking about sex. That was the first time I had a crush on a boy. So, at the time, I didn’t have any concept of “gay” or sexual desires of any sort, but when I look back now, I realize that that was the first indication that I would several years later realize that I was gay. And I can’t emphasize enough that there was no “turning point” or anything where my thoughts went from girls to boys or anything. From the start, if I was going to have a crush, or think somebody was cute, regardless of how deep my thoughts about it were, if it was genuine, it was about a boy. I point that out because I went through times when I dated girls, had crushes on girls, etc., but that was mostly a manifestation of Trying To Fit In.
So that is what it’s about, Peter. You can continue oversexualizing it, painting gay people as predators and victims, as if it hasn’t been explained to you, but that would be just another permutation of your pathological, loathsome dishonesty, because it has now been explained to you.










Well done. Does he check this blog? :)
Obsessively.
Thank you for putting into words so eloquently what I have many times tried to express to others.
Kook LaBarbera: the ultimate Porn Again Christian.
Thank you, Evan, for that very good and clear explanation, but I can’t help wondering whether Peter’s intellectual capacity is sufficient to grasp it.
Thank you. I really wish the people who need to read this (not just LaBarbera, but anyone who might be swayed by him or anyone like him) would. It really is a very clear explanation. Unfortunately, like anything else associated with sexual minorities, there are always people like LaBarbera who are out to literally pervert it.
When I was 6, I watched the Dukes of Hazzard. (Yeah, thirtysomething here.) I couldn’t decide whether I wanted to marry Bo, Luke, or Daisy Duke more. I also told my first grade teacher that I didn’t care if I married a man or a woman, as long as they were cute, smart, and rich. (I got the first two traits, in another woman.) I didn’t know what sex of any kind was, but I knew that when adults were in love, they hugged and kissed and got married. Baby bisexual, even if I didn’t know the word and nobody around me wanted to say it.
Now, before anyone brings out the “P” word, I want preface what I’m about to say. In no way shape or form do I condone sex of any kind between adults and children. It’s a crime for a reason, a very good reason, and I think it should stay that way.
Having said that, yes, kids do have sexual thoughts and feelings. Baby boys can, and DO get erections—kid’s bodies aren’t dead until they hit puberty. They may not yet know what sex is, but they do enough exploring of their own bodies to know what feels good. We like to pretend that children are completely without sexuality until they hit puberty, but that’s simply not true.
I started masturbating when I was five. I didn’t know that’s what I was doing, I just figured out that I could touch myself in a very very very fun way. It was years before I had a name for it, and then got the associated guilt.
I recall watching TV with family and one of my female relatives, around my age, being yelled at by her mom to “stop that!” I didn’t see what the big deal was, it only occurred to me later what the little girl who was doing something more than simply squeezing her legs together.
Talk to a pediatrician and they’ll tell you all kinds of stories of frantic parents calling them up, or pulling them aside to talk about how little Jimmy or little Suzy was playing with themselves.
This isn’t a sign of sexual abuse, or of premature puberty, or of any other kind of problem. It’s normal.
Smart parents who don’t want their kids to have years of sex problems later in life calmly tell their little boys and girls “there’s nothing wrong with that, but you should really do that in your room, in private.”
However most parents, raised to believe their kids are asexual until junior high, freak out, scold the child, say something that will require counseling to get over, and then try to pretend the whole thing didn’t happen.