One of the things I keep seeing in discussion of the Pentagon report on DADT repeal is that there are some military chaplains who are so preoccupied with homosexuality that they feel the need to proclaim hellfire and brimstone on the subject to the troops they’re charged with. This piece in the Washington Post mentions the issue:
Officials say they did not encounter objections from chaplains during past efforts to integrate African Americans and women into the military. But homosexuality presents a particular difficulty because many religions object to it on moral grounds.
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“In the course of our review, we heard some chaplains condemn in the strongest possible terms homosexuality as a sin and an abomination, and inform us that they would refuse to in any way support, comfort, or assist someone they knew to be homosexual,” the report stated. “In equally strong terms, other chaplains, including those who also believe homosexuality is a sin, informed us that ‘we are all sinners,’ and that it is a chaplain’s duty to care for all Service members.”
It’s good that some of the chaplains are not bigots. The ones who would refuse to support gay troops should be relieved of their positions.
The report’s authors wrote that the opposition was not insurmountable, arguing that “the reality is that in today’s U.S. military, people of sharply different moral values and religious convictions – including those who believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and those who do not – and those who have no religious convictions at all, already co-exist, work, live and fight together on a daily basis.”
The assertion drew a sharp rebuke from Christian groups, including the Family Research Council, which on Wednesday held a news conference to highlight findings in the report that they say argue against changing the policy.
No, the assertion drew a sharp rebuke from hate groups, including the Family Research Council.
Many conservatives worry that lifting the policy would muzzle chaplains whose religions require them to preach against homosexuality. The Rev. Douglas E. Lee, a retired Presbyterian Air Force chaplain and brigadier general who now counsels and credentials chaplains, said chaplains generally point out their views on homosexuality before counseling a service member on that issue. He worried that military policies may prohibit even that level of conversation if “don’t ask, don’t tell” is repealed, even though Pentagon officials have not recommended any change to the policy governing chaplains’ behavior.
Oh, no, some of the chaplains might not be able to tell the troops that they’re supposed to be ministering to that they’re going to hell. This is truly terrible and worthy of our sympathy.
“The U.S. military is not a religious institution. It is a civilian government organization,” said the Rev. John Gundlach, a retired captain and Navy chaplain. “My position on this is, if they can’t handle this change, they’re in the wrong ministry setting.”
Thank you, voice of sanity.
Moreover, military chaplains are supposed to be focusing on issues specific to what troops go through, especially during wartime. If they’re so preoccupied with human sexuality, I question whether these particular chaplains are even qualified to offer ministerial guidance to troops in the first place. If they won’t do their jobs, fire ‘em.










Funny. They don’t object to sailors who have “a girl in every port”. They don’t object to the fact that many of the soldiers screw hookers while on leave–even if they have spouses back home. They don’t object to the fact that these people maim and kill for a living. But they freak out at the fact that some of the soldiers are gay, and might be allowed to state it openly. Freakin’ hypocrites, the lot of them.
Buffy gets it right. Oh the hypocrisy.
Yep. Hypocrites, the lot of them. But then I find so many Christian clergy to be hypocrites. Nothing new there.
I encourage atheist servicemembers to call for meetings with their chaplims, especially wingnut ones, to help them leave their ridiculous faith. Bombard these superstitious idiots, wasting space in barracks and on deck, with books by charles darwin and richard dawkins.
Reminds me of Leonard Matlovich’s most famous quote:
“The Air Force pinned a medal on me for killing a man and discharged me for making love to one.”
wow! Exactly how many “officials” currently on active duty were also on active duty when Truman issued Executive Order 9981 in Feb. 1948? that would mean they were on active duty for 72 years!
From the time EO 9981 was issued it took until 1951, during yet another war, for the first integration of units to occur, tentatively at best. The first isolated units to desegregate were probably at Camp Jackson in South Carolina in 1951 at the request of the general in charge.
Who ever wrote this article is seriously misquoting military officials. Prior to, and for a couple decades afterward, ministers, priests and preachers who served as military chaplains often preached about how having the ‘nigra’ living in the same barracks as a godly white man was an abomination unto the lord.
They used this quote from Leviticus 21:18 to justify their hatred of blacks.
“For whatsoever man [he be] that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,…”
the punishment for this was death.
In the first few integrated combat troops in country in Korea at this time, many blacks were killed by intentional friendly fire by christian white Americans whose faith told them it was a good thing to do.
don’t let anybody fool you or get away with saying the integration of blacks was any easier or worse than integrating us gays.
I retired as a Navy Chief and frankly Adm. Mullen is correct; We gays have been in the military forever and it is about damn time that we got the respect we deserve as Americans and as members of the military!
Tony Perkins and his ilk and other coo-coo religious organizations are bigots, pure and simple, regardless of their religious pronouncements about their love for others and associated crap. Their sole goal is to enhance their income by keeping up the lie that we are the greatest of satanic forces come home to roost. After all, once the general public gets over this stuff and people settle into their lives as always and the world and this country continue on their way, what’s left for them? Who will be the next great enemy if it can’t be us? Hatred cloaked in religion is still hatred.
I realized a long time ago that these creeps put their religious indoctrination before everything else including country and constitution. No lie is too bonkers to spread and boy, lately, they are coming from outer space. It’s like dealing with the North Korean government, they are just plain nuts.
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Why on earth should our taxpayer dollars fund religious services anyway (the salaries of military chaplains)?
I agree, Christine. If soldiers need a religious figure, they should go to church off-base on Sundays. When this is not possible, such as in war zones, volunteer shaman can be brought in to minister to the individuals.
The idea of a chaplain is unconstitutional, in my view. Religion should always be a private affair and never facilitated by the neutral state.
Having religion infiltrate the armed forces has been a nightmare. Just look at the problems it has spawned at places like the Air Force Academy.
Actually, I say that if DADT is not repealed, then the President should issue an executive order that calls for the investigation and subesequent dismissal of any soldier who is found guilty of engaging in sexual activities outside the legal definition of marriage. So, if some young G.I. brags about a one-night stand they had with someone the night before who is not their spouse, then begin an investigation. If a soldier receives e-mails describing intimate details of what they did with their boyfriend/girlfriend sexually over the weekend, start proceedings. If a sailor is spotted engaging a prostitute or visitng whorehouse, then commence disciplinary procedures. I think this is only fair and deserves the complete support of the Christianist Right. Can anyone imagine the financial strain this would place on our military budget? But who cares? Just so long as our armed forces are maintaining the chastity and Christian virtues that they are known for.
Who is this they?
Michael said “Who is this they?”.
The military chaplains and their supporters who claim they’re being attacked if they can’t attack gays.
Oh, no, some of the chaplains might not be able to tell the troops that they’re supposed to be ministering to that they’re going to hell. This is truly terrible and worthy of our sympathy.
“The U.S. military is not a religious institution. It is a civilian government organization,” said the Rev. John Gundlach, a retired captain and Navy chaplain. “My position on this is, if they can’t handle this change, they’re in the wrong ministry setting.”
Thank you, voice of sanity.
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My point, exactly. If a military Chaplain is against positive counseling for gay and lesbian members, they are in the wrong line of work. How precise is the ststement, “What Would Jesus Do?”
Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Chaplain
3.Yep. Hypocrites, the lot of them. But then I find so many Christian clergy to be hypocrites. Nothing new there.
Comment by Merlyn — December 2, 2010 @ 6:50 pm
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I would beg to differ with you, Merlyn on one point. There is a HUGE difference between a ‘christian’ and a ‘Christian’. “christian” ministers use the Holy Bible as a WMD against any and all who would disagree with their narrow point of view. Today they are known as the new American christian Taliban. “Christian” ministers and people are those who follow Christ’s teachings of love and humility, and service to the hurting and those in despair. I like to think I’m in the latter category. Please don’t squeeze us all in the same boat, lolol. I’m just as offended by the ‘christians’ as you and countless others are.
Blessings and Peace,
Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Chaplain