One of the points that’s always brought up when DADT repeal is mentioned, a point that bigots never really have a response for, is that gays are already serving in militaries in nations allied with the United States, all over the world. Indeed, most of our first world allies allow openly gay troops to serve, and it’s happened without consequence. When bigots do attempt to respond, they end up making the United States military look somehow weaker than that of the United Kingdom or Israel.
In this piece at NPR, Nathaniel Frank, author of Unfriendly Fire, disabuses readers of the wingnut notion that DADT repeal constitutes some kind of “social experiment,” as he explains how it’s worked in other nations around the world:
In Great Britain, gay service members were banned from the military throughout the 20th century. But in the early 1990s, a court case challenging the ban made its way through the British court system and lost — so the ban remained. But after that case, the British High Court warned the military that although it could continue to enforce the ban, the policy was unlikely to survive a challenge in the European Convention on Human Rights.
“The military [then] ordered a relaxation of enforcement,” says Frank. “So in many, many cases the actual end of a gay ban is preceded by a court case and a relaxation of enforcement. And when that [British] case wound its way up to and through the European Court of Human Rights in 1999, that court struck it down. Just four months later, the military lifted the ban and accepted the court case.”
Frank says the quick change in England shows that concerns over implementing a repeal are unwarranted.
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Frank says all five countries he studied — Britain, Israel, Canada, South Africa and Australia — all had major concerns about the potential effect on military effectiveness and recruitment patterns before their bans were dropped. But all five countries quickly implemented changes. And, Frank says, they experienced no wide-scale problems after the bans were repealed.
“So many different sources have conducted research since the early 1990s — before, during and after transitions,” says Frank. “There simply is no evidence showing problems, and there’s overwhelming evidence showing that these transitions are a non-event and they can occur.”
The whole piece is interesting, so read it. The “social experiment” has already been conducted, many times over. The Religious Right Wingnut wailing about the US military somehow falling apart by allowing openly gay people to serve has been found to have much in common with all of their wailing on all subjects: It’s a bunch of crap.










Well, if DADT is not repealed now or in the foreseeable future, maybe those discharged under DADT should consider serving in our allies’ armed forces? Americans have done this before (Canada & UK prior to US entry into WWI and WWII) and continue to do so today (Jewish Americans in the IDF). Since our allies have no problems accepting LGBT’s into service, I’m equally sure that they would have no problems accepting American trained specialists who just happen to be LGBT. Perhaps if enough do this, this might embarrass our leaders enough on the world stage to finally force them to repeal DADT.
As a Canadian, I say THANK YOU.
For years now, we’ve been pointing out that gays serving openly has not caused a problem here, and the anti-gays are like “what? did you hear something? like maybe a mosquito buzzing or something? I’m sure it’s nothing”.
That is very condescending!
Nick– as far as I know, when you serve in a foreign army, you lose your citizenship.
“as far as I know, when you serve in a foreign army, you lose your citizenship”
If my life’s goal was to pursue an honorable career in the military I would be proud to relinquish my citizenship.
Wouldn’t it be neat if ALL gay and lesbian service people in the U.S. Armed Forces suddenly came out en masse and told their superiors, “Go ahead and discharge us and see how you get along WITHOUT our services!”
Jerry
Ben-I tried looking further into this. The consensus seems to be that although this could happen, it rarely does. Normally, if the volunteer wishes to become an officer and voluntarily relinquishes U.S. citizenship, then citizenship can be revoked. However, even then it’s not a given. I’m sure the government would definitely apply this rule if you serve in a foreign army that is hostile to the U.S. Bottom line: Serving in the armed forces of one of our allies does not automatically revoke citizenship.