This is how the culture war progresses…
Megachurch wants choir to sign anti-gay covenant
GARDEN GROVE, Calif. (AP) — Several choir members at Orange County’s Crystal Cathedral say they’re upset over a document they’ve been asked to sign that takes a strong stand against homosexuality.
The “Crystal Cathedral Worship Choir and Worship Team Covenant” recently handed out to members states that they should commit to being Christians by following the Bible in every way, the Orange County Register reported Tuesday.
Former and current choir members say they are particularly offended by a statement in the document that refers to homosexuality. Long-time church members say this is the first time they have seen the cathedral take a firm stand against homosexuality and are disturbed by it.
“I understand that in an era where images of family relationship and personal sexuality are often confused, Crystal Cathedral Ministries believes that it is important to teach and model the biblical view,” the covenant reads. “I understand that Crystal Cathedral Ministries teaches that sexual intimacy is intended by God to only be within the bonds of marriage, between one man and one woman.”
Sheila Schuller Coleman, daughter of the founder and senior pastor of the megachurch, issued a statement saying the document is intended to “clarify expectations placed on them as ministry leaders.” Coleman also apologized for the pain the covenant has caused some choir members.
Ann Moore Waltz, a longtime church member and former choir member, said she does not agree with the statement in the covenant.
“If I were still in the choir and if that was presented to me, and if a gay person had walked out, I would have walked out with him or her,” she told the Register. “If you are a Christian group and people come to you, you should be a good servant, love them and shine the light of Jesus on them — regardless of who they are.”
Understand, this isn’t aimed at the gay people in the choir, it’s aimed at their families and friends. It’s happening because the biggest fear of the homophobes is slowly but surely coming true and even cocooned deep in their echo chambers they can see it: The homosexual monster they’ve been waving at everyone for decades is fading, fading away, loosing its power, right before their eyes. We live openly now, and eventually the weight of the evidence of those small solitary lives lived openly becomes too much for even the most professionally constructed propaganda to bear. The monster fades away and in its place steps forward gay sons and daughters, the gay uncle and aunt, gay fathers and mothers, the gay co-worker…the gay neighbor.
The war was never about homosexuality. From the beginning it was a war on love. And it was never just the homosexual who could not be allowed to know what it was to love and be loved by another. Love builds bridges. Love moves mountains. Love can make you see yourself in the face of a stranger. For the authoritarian mindset whose greatest fear is loss of control, love can only be an enemy. See it now. The message of the good Christians in the glass house of God is you must either cast out the homosexual, or be cast out yourself. If you love your neighbor, you are the enemy.







Hey Schuller: those who live in glass houses, shouldn’t throw stones !!
The Crystal Cathedral has lost millions of dollars in the past few years. In October of last year, in fact, they declared bankruptcy. Now, they’re making a cynical effort to reinvent themselves as a fundamentalist and/or right-wing church. They know that’s where the money is, and they’re abusing gay people in an effort to get their piece of that pie. It’s truly disgusting.
Well put, Bruce.
My grandmother used to send money to Schuller, which was odd because she was a Catholic. I really hate the way televangelists solicit donations from seniors, mostly people who don’t have a lot of money themselves. I’m reminded of a joke by Elayne Boosler: “Wouldn’t it be great if they found out you could ONLY get AIDS from a televangelist?”
“From the beginning it was a war on love. . . . Love builds bridges. Love moves mountains. . . .”
You are on to something, Bruce. We’ve all heard repeatedly about the famous “Christian love,” including how they “love the homosexual.” Many centuries ago they discovered the value of “love” as a propaganda tool, and they want to maintain a monopoly on it.
How many of you have been approached by an evangelical Christian wearing a warm friendly loving smile while they seek to convert you, and then turn nasty after they finally realize you are no longer a hot prospect.
get a life! There was never a commandment to “get married and then” reproduce and replenish the earth!
He said be fruitful and multiply without the mention of any “marriage license” God is for procreation! Loving thy neighbor! he who loves not knows not God for God is love! Man and woman are for creation! Not a stipulation on the meaning of marriage! Gender has nothing to do with marriage! Marriage is a commitment of love between consenting individuals! In Matthew it is a plural bride at that Jesus has…..’selah” Gods love is for EVERYONE regardless of gender! Families of love and sacrifice and the JOY of salvation in Jesus!
Richard asked “How many of you have been approached by an evangelical Christian wearing a warm friendly loving smile while they seek to convert you, and then turn nasty after they finally realize you are no longer a hot prospect.”.
Pick me! Pick me! I got that from my sister. When she started to get the idea that I wasn’t a hot prospect she started with “Jesus loves you enough to not force you to be with him.” – LOL, yes, he’ll just eternally torture me out of love for rejecting him. Then she got nasty and it was “If you don’t accept Jesus I’ll never talk to you again.” – bye bye, b***h.
Robert Schuller (founder) told media he did not agree at all with what his daughter had done and explained why.
His daughter said tough, she was managing the church now, not him.