I’m completely not surprised by this, as Rudy Giuliani has never struck me as a man of any sort of integrity:
The gay car dealer who opened his home to Rudy Giuliani in 2001 during his humiliating divorce battle says the former mayor offered to preside at his wedding if same-sex marriage were ever legalized — but is now ducking his calls to make good on the offer.
“I asked if he would marry us,” recalled Howard Koeppel, the unlikely provider of an emergency Midtown crash pad to Giuliani for six months when his marriage to Donna Hanover was crumbling and Gracie Mansion was a war zone.
“He said, ‘Howard, I don’t ever do anything that’s not legal. If it becomes legal in New York, you’ll be one of the first ones I would marry.’ “
Ten years later, Koeppel is distressed that his former house guest hasn’t returned the many calls he began making before the legislation was passed last week.
A political consultant in the piece suggests that Rudy’s reticence might have something to do with his sad but ongoing presidential ambitions. Rudy: you will never be president. Go keep a promise to the gays who took you in during one of your many divorces.
[h/t The Awl]
and Daniel, what actual “evidence” to the contrary do you have? give us the links.
Wow, Someone give Jack a bone to chew on! Haha! Man haas got issues!
Haha! I am passionate!
Naw, just a little OCD.
just a little?!?
I’m being nice. Don’t chew on it. Accept it and move on. Sheesh! Maybe you should get that checked.
I was joking!
I wasn’t.
Marriage Equality in New York but Jack is as mad as a wet hen because somebody pointed out that Giuliani was, at best, a coward.
I knew Jack was a Clinton fanboy. He never brought up who he thought should run against Obama for the Democratic nomination in another thread but I had a feeling it was Old Rodham.
Lewis,
So do you have a problem with Evan’s snarky rants?
Edward,
How do you know that Rudy isn’t contacting these guys because of the wedding? Do you know for certain that they didn’t have a falling out over something else?
and yes, I am a fan of Clinton, or “Old Rodham” as you like to refer to her.
Jack, “Do you ever disagree with Evan or are you his lap dog?”
Really? Now you’re just being a jerk. Evan is right on this issue and you are wrong and keep misrepresting his argument and then doing the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and saying “LALALALALALA” when he or Wayne answers. You’re not paying attention to what he says you just keep insisting on what you want to believe. Since they don’t agree with you, you have to paint them as dishonest or stupid–and now you’re trying to do the same with me. That’s really dishonest.
And then:
“and Daniel, what actual “evidence” to the contrary do you have? give us the links.”
Evidence of what? That you hijacked this thread? Just read it, no need to link to anything else. That you’re not listening to what Evan writes? Just go back and read what you’ve written here. That’s all the evidence anyone needs.
Daniel, the “evidence” that I was referring to is this quote from you:
“He’s decided that TWO is some kind of Obama zombie website and no actual evidence will get through.”
I said show me the evidence. Not Evan saying that it is not all pro-Obama all the time. Show me the links where they have criticized Obama any time recently! Show me the story on Obama where he says that our RIGHTS are up to the States. Show me the links to that story, or the “evidence.”
And I was dropping the Obama thing, but I will not allow your misrepresentation of words to go unresponded to.
And Jack, I actually voted for Hillary in the primaries–I still think she would have been a stronger leader than Obama–but she’s not going to be elected in 2012–it will either be Obama or one of the Republicans, and if you look at them they are at best (Hutchinson) mediocre and to the left of Obama on gay issues or batshit crazy (Bachmann, Santorum…). Putting one of those people in office isn’t going to do anything good for us.
I know you won’t actually read what I’ve written here, you’ll just keep accusing me of being some kind of lackey. But I don’t expect any better of you.
Daniel,
If Obama is the Democratic nominee in 2012, I will be the first one there voting for him in the general election.
I don’t believe I ever said that TWO criticized Obama recently so I don’t know why you’re asking me for that evidence. And what recently do you want them to criticize Obama for? He hasn’t done anything against the gay community recently except not come out strongly in favor of gay marriage.
And I don’t believe you were going to drop the Obama thing–in fact, I’m pretty sure you’ll keep bringing it up on every thread you get a chance whether the subject matter relates or not.
As for when you said someone was “harrassing” Giuliani, you implied it in your first post when you said we should “leave him alone”.
“If Obama is the Democratic nominee in 2012, I will be the first one there voting for him in the general election.”
Jack, way to back down you Obama lapdog.
Daniel,
I was also passionate about the jury duty issue on here. I didn’t bring up Obama in that.
Sorry, whatever the issue, I don’t stand down from bullies who try to shout me down.
What do you mean back down?
I said we should push for someone else as the Democratic nominee. I didn’t say we should go third party!
Ok, Daniel, do you or have you ever actually disagreed with Evan on anything?
Jack, I don’t know. I haven’t read everything they’ve written and don’t keep a tally of what he said and whether I agreed. I know I’ve disagreed on some things on TWO, but, quite honestly, I don’t read the site every day. But, so what, what if I have agreed with Evan on everything? Would that mean that my opinion has no value?
And you’re accusing me of being a bully because I disagree with you? I think you show some bully signs by attacking people as “lapdogs” when they disagree with you.
Also, you’re nuts if you think Obama’s not going to be the Democratic nominee. If there is a challenger it will be someone from the fringes, not Hillary Clinton.
And when I said you “backed down” I was being sarcastic because you’ve basically accused Evan and Wayne of being dishonest by supporting him.
Ok, I apologize for using the term lap dog.
I just want to know that there is SOMEONE speaking truth to the powerful when it comes to gay issues. Sorry if I get carried away.
and Daniel, Evan is VERY snarky with me, so why can’t I respond strongly?
Wayne, on the other hand is not. His arguments are well-thought out and, to be honest, can often change my mind.
Jack, I’m fine with you being passionate, but, do you really have to paint everyone who dissagrees with you as robots or zombies who don’t think for themselves?
You seem to have some sort of issue with Evan–that’s fine, but do you have to paint him as unthinking and reactionary?
We all have issues with the President, and they have not said that he’s perfect on this site, but he is better than the probable alternative.
Also, I said “Hutchison” on an earlier post, I meant “Huntsman”.
Jack, show me the evidence that Evan is snarky with you.
Although now I understand–it’s not so much that you are against Obama as you are mad at Evan. It all makes sense now. I understand and I can let it go.
Daniel,
I already apologized for the “lap dog” comment. I was off base with that. Your responses are well written. I am sure that you can think for yourself.
OK, Daniel, here:
“rather than screaming and crying over why the president hasn’t returned my call and it’s been like a whole week and that date was so fun I thought I’d really met a good one this time but I guess not so I’m going to go drink bad white zin and listen to Sarah McLachlan now OMGOMGOMG!”
“I’m just not going to run around butthurt about the fact that the man I thought I would spend my life with, who would love me tenderly and bring me chocolates every day”
“The difference between you and me is that I don’t react to Obama as a jilted lover, and therefore would never assume that setting off a nuclear bomb at a pride parade would be a reasonable hypothetical.”
Eh, I’m snarky with lots of people.
Whatever. Doesn’t mean that I hate them, I’m just Like That. Wayne is snarky too, in his way.
;-)
and that’s fine Evan, believe it or not, I actually like your posts and banter. But I have no problem getting in there with the best of them.
but “butthurt”? what does that even mean? Wait, don’t tell me!
It’s just a term for people having their fee fees hurt in an overly dramatic way.
And while I may think that Evan is reactionary, I do not think that he is unthinking. In fact, I think he is pretty damn smart.
Jack, really? I hear worse things that than on the train going home. Evan gets snarky–that’s his style. I thought those examples were pretty funny (especially the Sarah McLachlan line. LOL!
If he gets snarky with me like that I’d find it pretty funny.
Daniel,
Ok, you don’t like me. I get it.
Jack, I don’t know you.
Who said snarky can’t be funny?
@Daniel, I’m sure I’ll abuse you in due time lol
[I giggled myself when I wrote the McLachlan line btw]
Evan, I’m waiting with anticipation.