I am upset that an historic American flag has been co-opted by a modern political movement to the point where the flag is now associated with this modern movement. If you look up the symbolism of the rattlesnake emblem you will see that it could have been carried in any Pride parade. It also makes it extremely inappropriate that these wingnuts fly it. I suggest their version read “PLEASE TREAD ON ME” and they change their name to GayTory.
Priya Lynn
July 8, 2011 at 11:36 am -
Edward, its “a historic”, not “an historic”. You wouldn’t say “an horse”, “an house” or “an hat” so don’t say “an historic”.
Edward Harper
July 8, 2011 at 11:43 am -
Priya, you’re right. That is a bad habit I picked up. “An” should only be used in front of words that begin with a vowel sound, such as “hour.”
Gary (NJ)
July 8, 2011 at 12:07 pm -
Don’t you just love the English language. I have friends in Germany who all speak English fairly well, and I told them not to worry when they screw up. I was an English major and it still drives me crazy; I constantly have to look up spellings, grammar etc.
Sorry, I’ve seen plenty of articles through the AP and other columnists where “historic” is preceded by “an,” because the “h” sound is not pronounced in favor of the first “i”…
“A quick bit of Googling reveals that — as of December 2008 — the phrase ‘a hypothesis’ is used on 2.22 million pages (80%), and ‘an hypothesis’ on 538,000 pages (20%). Similarly, ‘a historic’ gets 70% of the popular vote, and ‘an historic’ only 30%.
In summary: A historic is more common in online writing, but both usages are sufficiently common to be considered correct.”
(Had to do a quick check to make sure I wasn’t speaking bollocks! ^_^)
Merlyn
July 8, 2011 at 12:50 pm -
I want one of those, too. I’ve long thought we should have grabbed it since it isn’t the tea partiers being tread on, it is us.
Priya Lynn
July 8, 2011 at 12:58 pm -
Cody said “Sorry, I’ve seen plenty of articles through the AP and other columnists where “historic” is preceded by “an,” because the “h” sound is not pronounced in favor of the first “i”…”.
I have never heard anyone pronounce “historic” as “istoric”.
Just because a lot of people do it doesn’t make it correct Cody. “A historic” is the only correct usage, just as one would never say “an hat”, “an house”, or “an horse”.
John
July 8, 2011 at 7:40 pm -
Reply to Edward Harper. This is not new for the extreme right. Remember that the swastika was an honorable Indian symbol until the Nazis misappropriated it and turned it into a symbol of evil.
Bryan
July 10, 2011 at 1:11 am -
@Priya
I hesitate to continue this topic because it has no bearing on the article; however, I would suggest that you do more research on the use of “an historic”.
You are correct in your assertion that just because a lot of people do something doesn’t make it correct, yet language is not static; and just because you have never heard something, doesn’t mean it has never been said.
Not all speakers of English pronounce words the same. I encourage you to research early American and British literature or watch television or news reports from non-American English speakers and you will find the likes of “an historic” used almost exclusively.
LOL I want one!
oy my a*s…thats a full “oy vey!” Feh! Some schmuck is Fachadick..(and thats not a GOOD one ;)
*facepalm*
I am upset that an historic American flag has been co-opted by a modern political movement to the point where the flag is now associated with this modern movement. If you look up the symbolism of the rattlesnake emblem you will see that it could have been carried in any Pride parade. It also makes it extremely inappropriate that these wingnuts fly it. I suggest their version read “PLEASE TREAD ON ME” and they change their name to GayTory.
Edward, its “a historic”, not “an historic”. You wouldn’t say “an horse”, “an house” or “an hat” so don’t say “an historic”.
Priya, you’re right. That is a bad habit I picked up. “An” should only be used in front of words that begin with a vowel sound, such as “hour.”
Don’t you just love the English language. I have friends in Germany who all speak English fairly well, and I told them not to worry when they screw up. I was an English major and it still drives me crazy; I constantly have to look up spellings, grammar etc.
Sorry, I’ve seen plenty of articles through the AP and other columnists where “historic” is preceded by “an,” because the “h” sound is not pronounced in favor of the first “i”…
(Yes, I’m a nerd!)
http://www.betterwritingskills.com/tip-w005.html
“A quick bit of Googling reveals that — as of December 2008 — the phrase ‘a hypothesis’ is used on 2.22 million pages (80%), and ‘an hypothesis’ on 538,000 pages (20%). Similarly, ‘a historic’ gets 70% of the popular vote, and ‘an historic’ only 30%.
In summary: A historic is more common in online writing, but both usages are sufficiently common to be considered correct.”
(Had to do a quick check to make sure I wasn’t speaking bollocks! ^_^)
I want one of those, too. I’ve long thought we should have grabbed it since it isn’t the tea partiers being tread on, it is us.
Cody said “Sorry, I’ve seen plenty of articles through the AP and other columnists where “historic” is preceded by “an,” because the “h” sound is not pronounced in favor of the first “i”…”.
I have never heard anyone pronounce “historic” as “istoric”.
Just because a lot of people do it doesn’t make it correct Cody. “A historic” is the only correct usage, just as one would never say “an hat”, “an house”, or “an horse”.
Reply to Edward Harper. This is not new for the extreme right. Remember that the swastika was an honorable Indian symbol until the Nazis misappropriated it and turned it into a symbol of evil.
@Priya
I hesitate to continue this topic because it has no bearing on the article; however, I would suggest that you do more research on the use of “an historic”.
You are correct in your assertion that just because a lot of people do something doesn’t make it correct, yet language is not static; and just because you have never heard something, doesn’t mean it has never been said.
Not all speakers of English pronounce words the same. I encourage you to research early American and British literature or watch television or news reports from non-American English speakers and you will find the likes of “an historic” used almost exclusively.