Michael Brown, hatemonger and busybody extraordinaire, who recently invaded Charlotte Pride with his red-shirted horde of bigots [slogan: "Free water! God hates fags!"] in order to “dialogue” with all the gays about how they’re going to burn in hell, is very upset with Wayne right now. You see, Wayne and I both understand that Brown’s calling card is to pretend to love gay people, to seek “dialogue” and common ground, while preaching Peter LaBarbera levels of hatred against the LGBT community. So he has an entire post up today, attacking Wayne for trying to “redefine Christianity”:
WHEN A GAY JEWISH LIBERAL TRIES TO REDEFINE CHRISTIANITY
Uhhhhh. Yeah, that’s the headline, and that’s why my headline says what it says.
Wayne Besen is a passionate gay activist and non-religious, liberal Jew who has dedicated himself to opposing the idea that homosexuals can become heterosexual.
Wayne Besen is guilty of spreading facts, and facts have a well-known liberal bias. Also, Jew.
he is never at a loss for words, especially when it comes to the “religious right.” In that spirit, he has graced me with several articles, including the not so subtly-titled, “Michael Brown Is an Anti-Gay Monster”
And….. (?)
In that article, Wayne claims that my “game is to try inciting followers to possible violence against LGBT people, while innocently maintaining that he loves homosexuals and simply wants them to meet his militant and perverted version of God.” He calls me “a slick dude,” a “sick and cynical” person, someone with “a messiah complex [who] is a diabolical individual who aims to manipulate impressionable followers to launch some sort of holy war,” noting however, that, I’m “too much of a coward to start the war” myself.
Well, Brown does seem to want a confrontation, and he does have a messiah complex. I think his victim complex is funnier though.
God bless dear Wayne! He certainly has a way with words. After all, it’s not every day that you get called a pathological monster, a slick, sick, cynical, diabolical madman with a messiah complex, as well as get accused of trying to incite a bunch of unstable thugs “to engage in a violent physical clash with LGBT people.” (For what I actually advocate, namely, a totally non-violent, moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution, click here.)
Really? Days go by when people don’t call Michael Brown those things? He must not be listening very hard to the other side of the “dialogue” he wants. For the record, a “spiritual revolution” which includes eradicating gayness [in the real world, to eradicate gayness, you have to eradicate gay people...when the fundamentalist wellspring of denial on that issue dries up, watch out] is by its very nature violent.
Wayne even weighs in again in his own comments section, calling me an “ego-maniac”…
Omigod, it’s surprising Brown didn’t show up in the comments of that piece, such an attention-starved loon he is. As anyone who’s ever encountered him will tell you, Michael looooooves to yammer on and see his name in print.
while other commenters follow in his footsteps with sophisticated posts like these: “I would not be surprised if ‘Mein Kampf’ were to be found on his nightstand.” (This was followed by other comments too vulgar to print.) What a delightful, thoughtful bunch!
This is me, slapping you all on the wrists for hurting Michael’s fee fees. Don’t do it again, unless, y’know, you want to.
But I am only one of Wayne’s targets. In his most recent attack, “Mainstream Christians Must Stand Up to the Religious Right” (September 19, 2011), he reviles the hundreds of Christians with whom I attended the recent gay pride event in Charlotte, claiming that we “confronted and harassed festival attendees with [our] arrogant slogan ‘God Has A Better Way.’” He refers to us as “despicable bullies” and speaks of our “fanatical behavior,” although, for the record, our group of roughly 400 consisted of grandparents, moms, dads, kids, and college-age singles who handed out about 2,500 free bottles of water (labeled “Jesus Loves You”) and engaged in civil and respectful conversation with any who cared to talk with us. Oh, the horror!
To tell them they are going to hell and need to abandon a core part of who they are in order to find favor with Michael Brown’s sick deity of choice. Also, Kathy Baldock was there and counted just over 200 people on the Red Shirt team. Why must wingnuts always inflate their numbers? Is it to bolster their fledgling self worth? Kathy also points out in the comments of Michael’s whiny piece that his decision to bring children to the event is questionable, by his own [nonexistent] standards:
I think it is interesting that a decision was made to bring so many children (maybe 1/10 were under 12 ish.) when the words used to describe Pride Charlotte in your own pre-event media warned “expect this to be a challenging day as sexual immorality, wickedness, and rejection will abound.” I would have used a bit more judgment as a parent. Of course, that was NOT the case, none of that was bounding or a bounding. BUT, had I been on the GHABW team, I would have found a sitter for my kids.
Anyway, back to Michael crying “look at me!”
All this, however, is the backdrop for Wayne’s heartfelt appeal. He is desperately concerned that religious “extremists” like me, Rick Perry, Sarah Palin, and Michelle Bachman will “defile America – and permanently define Christianity.” Instead, Wayne wants the “Religious Left” to rise up and show America what Christianity really is. He writes, “It is time to stand up, speak out, and give voice to our values. If not now, when? Are we going to wait until it is too late and we have lost our country?”
The problem, of course, is that the “Religious Left” has rejected most of the fundamental tenets of the historic Christian faith, denying the authority of Scripture, espousing religious pluralism, defending abortion, and championing homosexuality.
Whereas Michael Brown longs for the good old days of the Crusades and the Inquisition, back when people knew their place. Oh, nostalgia.
Could this be why these so-called “mainstream” churches are in such numerical decline while conservative churches are growing exponentially in many parts of the world?
Well, for one thing, religious belief is on the decline in the US, in general. Yes, many conservative churches are growing in other parts of the world, because fundamentalists go where they can be effective predators. Since the educated, developed first world has less and less patience for the medieval bigotry of people like Michael Brown, they see hungry people in the Third World and exchange food for people’s souls. It’s rather simple…
Wayne himself is not optimistic about the prospects, writing, “This reluctance to stand up and speak out has created a hazardous vacuum where only the shrill and unreasonable voices of fundamentalism are heard. Instead of the dialogue that many progressives of faith claim to desire, this perceived weakness creates a lopsided right wing monologue, which is having a deleterious effect on our nation and the world.”
The reality, of course, is that the “Christianity” Wayne calls for bears little resemblance to the faith of the Scriptures or the faith of history, but that should not surprise us.
Wayne is not “calling for” any new kind of Christianity, you dingbat. It already exists. He and I are simply calling upon the millions upon millions of non-wingnut Christians to speak up a little louder and stop letting their faith be hi-jacked in the public square by self-congratulatory bigots like Michael Brown.
After all, what else should we expect when a non-religious, gay Jewish liberal tries to redefine Christianity?
Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew, said Michael Brown.
And again, Wayne is not “redefining Christianity,” and neither is the Christian left, which is simply trying to live out a faith wherein having the name “Christ” in its title is a feature rather than a bug, as it seems to be for modern day fundamentalists. Focusing on the teachings of the guy the religion is named after, rather than on one’s pitifully uneducated understanding of five or six minor Bible verses, which are then used as a convenient bludgeoning device to be deployed against LGBT people, is really not all that radical of an idea.










This is the best thing I’ve read all day!!!
I think Wayne IS CALLING for a redefinition of “Christianity”. Rather than wingnut Christianity, he is calling for RATIONAL Christianity, also desired by the big “J” upstairs who was murdered ripped off and stuffed a*s backwards into a hornets nest of a very hypocritical confused religion of his murder’s design, without, consent.
Keep it up Wayne, it’s high time and you are on a roll. Whether you believe it or not, jesus is smiling happily your way as smiting judgement in any form
is his second tenet. We all know his first.
We’ve known all along that different types of bigotry always go together.
Who cares what christianity really is. I know what it isn’t and that is its not real or true. Just another fake manmade booby trap of a religion, faking its way to power.
Lee:
You may not care and I can appreciate that. But millions of people do. We can either unite to work together against the very real threat of rabid fundamentalism, or we can be divided and fall.
It’s okay to work with people you don’t agree with, as long as they respect your right to believe whatever you want. The religious right is the one group that respects no one other than their own members.
Keep it up Wayne!
“a non-religious, gay Jewish liberal” – I assume by “non-religious” he means one who does not regularly attend Jewish services at temple; by “gay” I suppose he means a man who loves men and perhaps has even singled one out as his beloved; by “Jewish” I assume he means of Jewish descent, and by “liberal” I assume he means one who champions causes traditionally espoused by the left, such as feeding the poor, caring for the sick, sheltering the homeless, and so forth.
You think he means Jesus?
Kevin, I nominate your above comment for some sort of award. Seriously, Wayne? Evan? Have you got some sort of best comment award hanging around?
I just read a good book by Marcus Borg called Speaking Christian in which he shows how the key terms and concepts in Christianity have changed and been corrupted over the centuries to basically what the RR believes today. Their version of Scriptures is neither correct nor the original one. Borg explains the importance of recapturing the original meanings, intent, and concepts if Christianity as a viable Faith for educated westerners is to survive. Progressive/emergent Christians are trying to do that.
Christ was a flaming liberal and trouble maker who fought to the death against all systems of domination and exploitation. Republicans would have hated him if he were on earth today. And early Christians lived in relatively small ‘commune’ type communities in which they shared everything-(socialism anyone?!) Early ‘churches’ mostly met in people’s homes and were headed and run by women (a meal was always involved). After Constantine made it the official religion of the Empire, the patriarchal machine took over and the women were kicked to the curb (nuns or wives and mothers only).
Michael runs like mad when he sees me coming. He has blocked me on every one of his ego maniacal blogs, pages, etc … because I call him what he is, and I am committed, along with most of you, to exposing this SCHMUCK for what he is. Michael ONLY allows people to get close to him who will stroke his twisted ego and kiss his fat a*s. EXCELLENT piece, Evan and Wayne!! This guy MAY say that he “loves” gay people .. but that piece of used toilet paper that he calls a book (a Queer Thing …) and his association with such as Lou “Kill the Gays” Engle .. betray his claims.
Dear Mr.Brown, since I see you not only read this blog, but the comments left here, I will address you here, because I refuse to visit your blog, give it any more hits, nor expose myself to the ignorance you spew there. That kind of rhetoric is harmful to me spiritually and I try to avoid hate, in all it’s forms as much as I possibly can. I see your kind of rhetoric differing not in the slightest from more blatant haters like the Ku Klux Klan, and Westboro Baptist Church, but you try to sweeten your hate, by claiming you actually love those to whom you are most hateful. That is a lie and nobody is fooled by such foolishness. As a devoutly Christian woman, who studies scripture daily, a wife, and a mother of four beautiful children. I attend church weekly and have focused my own spiritual life on charity and social justice, as commanded by my Savior. You and people like you have taken and perverted the beautiful message of love and charity from the Lord Jesus Christ and crafted it into a message of hate and ruthlessness, to belittle and diminish others and to deny them their very person-hood. Jesus was in fact a “liberal Jew,” and if you had any understanding of the historical context of his mission, in the culture in which he lived, you’d not use “liberal Jew” as a pejorative to describe someone else. Actually, as a true believer, you’d not use any pejoratives to describe others, after all, our Savior told us to love all people, even our enemies. You do not in fact represent the views held by the vast majority of American Christians, only the view of a loud, shrill minority, (less than 20% who identify as evangelists and fundamentalists, which most mainstream, legitimate Christian sects denounce.)who have confiscated a gospel of love, and pulverized it into a fine powder of judgement and vitriol to sprinkle upon as many people as you can possibly harm, in an inexorable attempt to diminish what is clearly your own pathological inferiority complex. I condemn you for violating the commandments of Jesus Christ in his very name, whom you claim to believe in so staunchly, and I will pray that you will be forgiven somehow, even though you feel no remorse, for the souls you have harmed and turned away from the word, through your grotesque and bitter prejudice. I will pray that young people will not be moved to take their own lives any more because of the message of hatred and injustice you spread, and I will also pray, that you someday feel remorse for your crimes against your fellow human beings, and are somehow able to wash your hands of the blood of thousands of children who have or who are considering committing suicide, because of the distorted message of hate you perpetuate, and the discrimination you fortify. You are no man of God, but you are a man of yourself only, a sick, sadistic, prejudiced, unkind, wicked self, so mired in his own piety, you are unable to feel the pain you are spreading and the harm you are causing others. You are a Pharisee, so addled in dogma, that you are unable to release yourself from worldly hate and fill yourself with love and the kindness of the Holy Spirit. I condemn you and encourage you to repent for your sinfulness and piety. Pride comes before the fall the Lord said, and pride as monolithic as yours precipitates an immense fall I imagine. “Where there is love, there is God.” Sir, I see no love in your heart or actions, and thus, God is not with you in your work. Of that, I am most abundantly certain. I am left to ask then, if God’s work is not what you are performing, who’s work is?
Sincerely,
Jennifer Tidd, a member of Episcopal USA Church.
“while other commenters follow in his footsteps with sophisticated posts like these: “I would not be surprised if ‘Mein Kampf’ were to be found on his nightstand.” (This was followed by other comments too vulgar to print.) What a delightful, thoughtful bunch!”
That was my comment! I’m so glad that this hateful, bigoted nutbar knows just what I think of him! :)
I’m sorry-anyone who exclaims “the horror!” Gay, gay, gay.