Comments on: Marriage Is Not The Issue. http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/01/21738/ Fighting antigay lies and the ex-gay myth Thu, 17 May 2012 04:27:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: serena http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/01/21738/comment-page-1/#comment-60569 serena Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:41:53 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=21738#comment-60569 Hi everyone, I am a Christian. I fully support your fight for equality, and I believe God does too. I am so sorry for the hurt so-called Christians are causing you. I am thankful that because I already had gay friends, I pulled back from that path of hatred when I was still a teenager. Please know that lots of people are SINCERELY praying for you, for your happiness and legal equality. Hi everyone, I am a Christian. I fully support your fight for equality, and I believe God does too. I am so sorry for the hurt so-called Christians are causing you. I am thankful that because I already had gay friends, I pulled back from that path of hatred when I was still a teenager. Please know that lots of people are SINCERELY praying for you, for your happiness and legal equality.

]]> By: Michael http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/01/21738/comment-page-1/#comment-60505 Michael Tue, 31 Jan 2012 03:31:24 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=21738#comment-60505 Great post. It's also important to look at the other prime motivator of false prophets in the anti-gay lobby and that's MONEY! Where else can one rake in 6-figure annual salaries just by demonizing other Americans? These anti-gay elites are going to do and say whatever it takes to keep that $$$ flowing in. Great post. It’s also important to look at the other prime motivator of false prophets in the anti-gay lobby and that’s MONEY! Where else can one rake in 6-figure annual salaries just by demonizing other Americans? These anti-gay elites are going to do and say whatever it takes to keep that $$$ flowing in.

]]> By: Gary (NJ) http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/01/21738/comment-page-1/#comment-60451 Gary (NJ) Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:04:13 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=21738#comment-60451 I always wonder if people like Patrick Wooden actually believe the nonsense they puke out or if they're just using the 'big outrageous lies' technique perfected by Dr. Goebbels to demonize people. And if he is incredibly stupid and gullible enough to believe it, where did he read or hear about it? what is his source? besides just pulling it out of his ass (pun intended). I always wonder if people like Patrick Wooden actually believe the nonsense they puke out or if they’re just using the ‘big outrageous lies’ technique perfected by Dr. Goebbels to demonize people. And if he is incredibly stupid and gullible enough to believe it, where did he read or hear about it? what is his source? besides just pulling it out of his a*s (pun intended).

]]> By: John Patrick http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/01/21738/comment-page-1/#comment-60423 John Patrick Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:20:44 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=21738#comment-60423 Steve, You're right about that manipulative use of prayer. Prayer can be used as a weapon. I was thinking of the kind of prayer that people use when they say "I'll pray for you." Which reminds me of something that was the rage back in the Seventies. Some prayer meeting leaders claimed that many people had one leg shorter than the other and they prayed for the lengthening of one of the legs. Of course, if you move your hip a bit, the "shorter" leg seems to become longer. It was all a sham, but it got some people to believe. Steve,

You’re right about that manipulative use of prayer. Prayer can be used as a weapon.

I was thinking of the kind of prayer that people use when they say “I’ll pray for you.” Which reminds me of something that was the rage back in the Seventies. Some prayer meeting leaders claimed that many people had one leg shorter than the other and they prayed for the lengthening of one of the legs. Of course, if you move your hip a bit, the “shorter” leg seems to become longer. It was all a sham, but it got some people to believe.

]]> By: Steve http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/01/21738/comment-page-1/#comment-60420 Steve Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:26:37 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=21738#comment-60420 >"Prayer never hurt anyone" Except for the hundreds of children and also adults murdered by faith-"healing" >”Prayer never hurt anyone”

Except for the hundreds of children and also adults murdered by faith-”healing”

]]> By: Paul Douglas http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/01/21738/comment-page-1/#comment-60405 Paul Douglas Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:06:41 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=21738#comment-60405 Cardinal Ratzinger and Karol Wojtyla are/were undoubtably self-loathing, miserable, homosexually oriented men themselves as is virtually the entire roman church hierarchy. I hypothesize that their anti-gay, misogynistic pronouncements and policies are a subliminal effort to atone for themselves both as "intrinsically disordered" men as well as their actual behaviors, and to hold on to their male privileges and ecclesiastical power. They can never come out of the closet because they would lose all of the perks and security they have worked and collaborated so hard for. Of course they have dressed this all up in centuries of inherited theology (from other homosexual roman clergy) which rationalizes their behavior, but that is really what I think is going on. Cardinal Ratzinger and Karol Wojtyla are/were undoubtably self-loathing, miserable, homosexually oriented men themselves as is virtually the entire roman church hierarchy. I hypothesize that their anti-gay, misogynistic pronouncements and policies are a subliminal effort to atone for themselves both as “intrinsically disordered” men as well as their actual behaviors, and to hold on to their male privileges and ecclesiastical power. They can never come out of the closet because they would lose all of the perks and security they have worked and collaborated so hard for. Of course they have dressed this all up in centuries of inherited theology (from other homosexual roman clergy) which rationalizes their behavior, but that is really what I think is going on.

]]> By: Donny D. http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/01/21738/comment-page-1/#comment-60382 Donny D. Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:07:29 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=21738#comment-60382 That's it exactly, Bruce: to them we aren't fully human. We are something awful, something both tragic and frightening to behold, emotionally crippled people, with a crucial piece missing. Which I think is why the fight for same sex marriage gets to a lot of straight people in a way that nothing else quite does: full civil same sex marriage rights imply that we, missing the crucial human ability to love, are the same as they are. That's too close for comfort for many straight people. I think Nick K. is also right: there's a big need to defend male supremacy on the part of many straight men and some straight women in the marriage equality fight. And many straight people seem to be really tied to strongly different gender roles, especially some straight women. The two male or two female figures on top of the wedding cake threaten their idea of "how things should be" in a way that must be uncomfortably foundation-shaking for them. That’s it exactly, Bruce: to them we aren’t fully human. We are something awful, something both tragic and frightening to behold, emotionally crippled people, with a crucial piece missing.

Which I think is why the fight for same sex marriage gets to a lot of straight people in a way that nothing else quite does: full civil same sex marriage rights imply that we, missing the crucial human ability to love, are the same as they are. That’s too close for comfort for many straight people.

I think Nick K. is also right: there’s a big need to defend male supremacy on the part of many straight men and some straight women in the marriage equality fight.

And many straight people seem to be really tied to strongly different gender roles, especially some straight women. The two male or two female figures on top of the wedding cake threaten their idea of “how things should be” in a way that must be uncomfortably foundation-shaking for them.

]]> By: John Patrick http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/01/21738/comment-page-1/#comment-60378 John Patrick Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:36:04 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=21738#comment-60378 Well Pat, I will pray for you. Prayer never hurt anyone. But true prayer is sincere and is a wish that the person for whom the prayer is uttered be blessed with what is good for them whatever that may be. True prayer does not restrict the prayer to the pray-er's idea of what is really good for the recipient. So often prayer is an attempt to impose one's ideas of good on another person. And none of us is wise enough to know what truly is in another person's best interest. I do believe that if there is a God who began things and set them in motion, that God is ineffable; and any attempt to limit God's "words" to our own ideas or interpretation of texts written thousands of years ago is folly. In closing, I share with you some poignant words from Walt Whitman's Song of Myself (this poet was a favorite of John Paul II): "I think I could turn and live with animals... They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins, They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God... Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of years ago..." Well Pat,

I will pray for you. Prayer never hurt anyone. But true prayer is sincere and is a wish that the person for whom the prayer is uttered be blessed with what is good for them whatever that may be. True prayer does not restrict the prayer to the pray-er’s idea of what is really good for the recipient. So often prayer is an attempt to impose one’s ideas of good on another person. And none of us is wise enough to know what truly is in another person’s best interest.

I do believe that if there is a God who began things and set them in motion, that God is ineffable; and any attempt to limit God’s “words” to our own ideas or interpretation of texts written thousands of years ago is folly.

In closing, I share with you some poignant words from Walt Whitman’s Song of Myself (this poet was a favorite of John Paul II):
“I think I could turn and live with animals…
They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins,
They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God…
Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands
of years ago…”

]]> By: RainbowPhoenix http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/01/21738/comment-page-1/#comment-60375 RainbowPhoenix Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:21:23 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=21738#comment-60375 Pat, grow up you entilted brat. You know full well that what I said is true. Referring to your hatred as "love" does not make it so, just as pouring sugar on a pile of shit won't turn it into chocolate. Then, just as you bigots always do, you start crying and screaming because someone dared to look past your sophistry. I don't need your prayers. If it keeps me away from bigots child-murdering bigots like you and the vengeful god you worship, Hell can't possibly be so bad. I have no need for anyone who would condemn me to an eternity of torture for something beyond my control and I have no tolerance for anyone who hates me simply for existing. Now you're going to do what every bully I dealt with in school did and starting whining and crying because I refused to let you mistreat people. Pat, grow up you entilted brat. You know full well that what I said is true. Referring to your hatred as “love” does not make it so, just as pouring sugar on a pile of s**t won’t turn it into chocolate. Then, just as you bigots always do, you start crying and screaming because someone dared to look past your sophistry. I don’t need your prayers. If it keeps me away from bigots child-murdering bigots like you and the vengeful god you worship, Hell can’t possibly be so bad. I have no need for anyone who would condemn me to an eternity of torture for something beyond my control and I have no tolerance for anyone who hates me simply for existing. Now you’re going to do what every bully I dealt with in school did and starting whining and crying because I refused to let you mistreat people.

]]> By: Pat S. http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/01/21738/comment-page-1/#comment-60369 Pat S. Mon, 30 Jan 2012 00:04:58 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=21738#comment-60369 Well Rainbow do you think what you just said was being tolerant or loving or even true? No it wasn't. and all the more reason I will pray for you as well. This is exactly why this nation needs to repent as we have taken a step backwards in more ways then one and the we have transgressed by not loving the Lord our God with all our heart soul mind and strength and our neighbor as ourself. Well Rainbow do you think what you just said was being tolerant or loving or even true? No it wasn’t.

and all the more reason I will pray for you as well. This is exactly why this nation needs to repent as we have taken a step backwards in more ways then one and the we have transgressed by not loving the Lord our God with all our heart soul mind and strength and our neighbor as ourself.

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