Joe screen-capped this tweet from Porno Pete about a new proposed law in Alberta:
Wow, that would be just crazy if the Canadian province of Alberta passed a law denying parents the right to teach their children to be little bigots! Homo-fascism indeed!
Of course, that’s not happening in any way, shape or form. Is Porno Pete just excitable, or is he a liar?
Here is what is actually happening. The actual story can even be gleaned from the hysterical “news” article at WingNutDaily, if you read between the lines of abject bigotry and fear:
Homeschooling families will soon be forbidden from teaching that homosexual sex is sinful as part of their schooling program, according to the government of Alberta, Canada. Under the province’s Education Act, homeschoolers and religious schools will be banned from “disrespecting” people’s differences, Alberta Education Minister Thomas Lukaszuk’s office told LifeSiteNews just last week. “Whatever the nature of schooling – homeschool, private school, Catholic school – we do not tolerate disrespect for differences,” said Donna McColl, Lukaszuk’s assistant director of communications. “You can affirm the family’s ideology in your family life, you just can’t do it as part of your educational study and instruction.”
So, again, reading between the lines, Alberta is considering a homeschooling curriculum which doesn’t include hate. Parents who happen to be bigots will have to find supplemental materials in order to indoctrinate their children into hate, I suppose. I’m sure they can find appropriate churches for that?
The question, one more time. Porno Pete: excitable/gullible/ravaged by fear of gays around every corner and behind every tree, or just a liar?
Who knows…
Porno Petey is obsessed with homosexuality. There is no other word for it. And the only reason I can think of for this obsession is that he himself is yet one more self-loathing queen who reacts to his own sense of guilt and shame by persecuting the people who live openly and authentically without shame or guilt.
His obsession has made him ever more shrill and incoherent as the LGBT community continues to move towards full equality under the law, but he can scream all he wants: to paraphrase Dr King, the arc of history eventually bends towards justice.
The question, one more time. Porno Pete: excitable/gullible/ravaged by fear of gays around every corner and behind every tree, or just a liar?
D)None of the above
He’s just a sexually obsessed/repressed, leather wearing, gay porn browsing closet queen. Aren’t all these guys? The louder they shout, the higher the probability that we’re going to catch him with a rent boy lifting his luggage. Sad little man.
Gullible, possibly. A liar, yes. And throw in a fistful of hatred and psychosis.
What is really scary is that this will happen here in America, and when it does, nobody will be cheering louder than Wayne, Evan
And the rest of this “tolerant” crowd. In fact Wayne has made
his hatred of homeschooling quite clear in one of his columns
he wrote.
Yes, home schooling is generally paranoid religious extremists who brainwash their kids at the expense of a real education. To deprive kids a normal upbringing, that includes interaction with diverse people and ideas can be, depending on the degree of isolation, a form of abuse.
Of course, this does not apply to all homeschooling. But it often does apply to arrogant religious zealots who think they are superior to everyone else, and so pure that they should cloister the kids at the expense of their mental development and future prospects.
I’m so happy I was born into a normal family that gave me a real education. I can’t imagine how awful it would have been to be confined to the house while my parents shoveled fairy tales and propaganda down my throat.
He’s a liar through and through.
Man, if the U.S. ends up leaning towards the Canadian way of things, we are fuh….
Anyhow, being told that certain actions, maybe even your own, are wrong, is part of being an adult. It’s one’s own choice on how to take it.
And hey, maybe they’ll tell Christian schools that Mohammed was their savior, because the Bible needs more cultural diversity anyway
.
Wish I could figure out what you just said Richard the W. Too erudite for me.
Wayne Said: home schooling is generally paranoid religious extremists who brainwash their kids at the expense of a real education. To deprive kids a normal upbringing, that includes interaction with diverse people and ideas can be, depending on the degree of isolation, a form of abuse.
Actually, Wayne, that is no more a reality than all gays are child molesters. I am a homeschooling mother who knows because I am NOT nor do I know anyone who is abusing children by indoctrinating them into bigotry and hatred and not allowing my child to live in the real world where diversity is so rampant. Have you been inside a public school classroom lately? Where is the diversity? Children of the same age sitting in a room, unable to interact? Some bored, others lost and the ones in the middle are just biding their time until they have enough credits to get out of there. My child is out in the world. She is with people of all ages. We are a military family, so that in and of itself allows her to meet people from other places and with other ideas about how LIFE works.
Please don’t lop all homeschooling families in with the Duggars and the ones you may have seen on Wife Swap. While there are SOME like that, not ALL. Some of us are actually homeschooling to remove our children from toxic environments, to give our children a better education than the local public school could or would, or to keep them FROM those same bigoted influences you seem to think are rampant among our numbers. It simply is not the case.
Like I teach my child, until you have met every person within any group, you cannot judge the entire group and make blanket statements about them. You must take each individual on his own merits and decide on an individual basis whether that one person is worthy of your time and attention. How is that teaching her to be a bigot or abusing her?
Oh and for what it might be worth to you, the term ‘homeschool’ is a bit of a misnomer as well. We really don’t spend THAT much time at home. Between all the classes and social activities and volunteer work and field trips, we really should be calling it Carschooling instead. Now whether that education my child gets would meet your definition of ‘real’ or not, I can’t say. But it only takes a few minutes with some of her previous school mates and I see her educational experience is more accurate and more diverse than she would have gotten had I not pulled her from a toxic environment after 4th grade.
As for Porno Pete…he’s just a sad little man who could have benefited from a bit of diverse homeschooling–the Laine way.
Porno Pete’s pants are permenantly ablaze.
Laine:
You asked me not to lump “all” home schoolers together. I didn’t. Hence I wrote, “Of course, this does not apply to all homeschooling.”
But I reject your depiction of public school. That’s the same crap people were saying about public schools when I attended — even as I got a wonderful education. Home schooling should always be an option of last resort, if the local public school is truly broken. Otherwise it deprives kids of proper, real world socialization.
And religious brainwashing should never be a reason for homeschooling. That’s what radical Madrasses in Pakistan are for.
Well Wayne, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree here. I’m not saying ALL public schools are bad. I’m just not lucky enough to live in an area where a good school paid for by my taxes is an option. You had a great experience in public schools and I’m happy for you. Mine wasn’t horrible, but it was far from great. My child was ignored, bullied and pushed aside. Made to feel as if the problems she was having were her own fault and due to something lacking in her character. Sound at all familiar?
As a parent, I did what I felt was best for MY CHILD. And not subjecting her to that left me with only one option–do it myself.
If only every child could have your experience!
And for what it is worth, when I did send my child to public school, it was not to socialize. It was to learn.
At home she has been given the opportunity to learn from the real world. Older people, older kids, younger as well. People from all over the world representing many different cultures, religions, and ideas have played a vital role in her education.
If my experiences with the public schools have left me a tad jaded, then that’s just how it is for me. As I said, I’m happy your experiences were different and I wish every child had that kind of experience.
There are a few cases, maybe like Laines, where homeschooling makes sense for some people..with the provisions, such as the Canadians (a better country than ours) are making. As a rule though, and I have known a good number of home educated indiviiduals, kids who were educated at home often have high marks and accomplishment with many academic subjects, but they have told me THEMSELVES that many of the ‘rules’ of social behavior had to be learned, not to their benefit, later in life in the office, college clasroom, etc. Attempts at socialization (group projects, sports, etc) while being homeschooled, did not work, as most of the time the “group” was of other kids with parents who thought/prayed/lived the same way.
We live in a VERY diverse world, and one getting more diverse all the time. Looking around my own office and listenging to home schooled friends, I know that when we have kids, they will NOT be home schooled.
As per the Canadian rules, no sensible person (thus not including porno pete) could argue with that. If one is going to teach, one has to teach according to standards of decency and tolerance, and a lot of right winger types are very bigoted, and by definition, not able to teach their kids, or anyone else, in a manner that will not spread bigotry and misinformation unless they are presented higher standards to work with. Good for Alberta.
I should add in defense of people like Laine, that I know people in the south who homeschool kids to PROTECT them from public schools run by backward conservatives who are only slightly subtle in their racial bigotry, and blantant about their homophobia and xenophobia. Sometimes, sadly, homeschooling is the best option for some people.
Laine said:
“in the real world where diversity is so rampant.”
As if diversity is a disease…the definition of rampant is ‘fluorishing or spreading unchecked, esp. of something unwelcome or unpleasant’
Wrong choice of word perhaps?
Another reason to live in Canada. A friend told me that Fox News tried to get into Canada, but since they have laws that say that ‘news’ organizations can’t tell lies, that automatically disqualified Faux News. Fox is so bad, their reputation is even known about in countries that don’t even have fox ‘news’.
Laine, unless I misunderstood you, socialize in the context here does not mean ‘to hang around with’, but ‘learning to be a member of society and how to interact with others.’
Just for the record,I happen to know many home schooling
Families, their children are very smart and well adjusted.
They have plenty of interaction with other kids through
Sports and other activities. Parents have the right to give
Their children a Christian based education without interference
From the government
Labarbera is a liar all right. He once posted that gays are at most 1 to 3% of the population, I sent him 3 studies that showed same sex attracted people are at least 9% of the population and asked him where he got his 1 to 3% figure from so I could analyze it. He refused to disclose where he was getting his number from despite my repeated requests for it. He’s a liar and he knows it.
B Anderson spews: “Just for the record,I happen to know many home schooling Families, their children are very smart and well adjusted.”
How would you be able to judge this considering, based on your repeated loopy posts, you don’t seem well-adjusted? In fact, if you say these kids are normal, it may be further evidence that they are screwed up.
as I said B anderson, the sports and other activites with like minded people are NOT enough…they get to the real world and from personal experience to NOT interact well with people of other faiths, GLBT people, those who wildly differ in world view from them. I have seen it, and had friends at other companies mention their discomfort at the awkwardness of some (not all but some) of those home schooled.
As per the parents “rights”, well, they have rights yes, but the right to teach bigotry and misinformation about GLBT people or other groups will limit the childs ability to function well in society, and hurt society as a whole, so the parents ‘rights’ will have to take a backseat to that.
@B Anderson-A friend of mine married a guy whose mother was pretty high up in the CWA here in MD. One of the most socially awkward people I ever met. He ended up going to college at Towson State and the poor boy was sooo out of his element. Tragically he failed out joined the military briefly and they have trouble making ends meet.
@Laine
I have to disagree. I do this for two reasons:
1.) My son, while with his mother in Texas was home-schooled. She is an absolute fanatic religiously and she used the homeschooling to cut him off from peers, and to indoctrinate him. When I got him (he came out in his early teens and that was not acceptable) undoing what had been done to him was incredibly painful. He’s smart, and he has socially caught up – but it was not easy and it was painful and if he had been less intelligent he probably would not have caught up at all.
2. As a result of the fact that he was not adequately socialized to go into a regular high school when I first had custody, I home-schooled him myself for a year. In context, I have a graduate degree in an educationally related field and work full time as a tenured member of professional faculty in a major university, my partner works with ED 1 and 2 children full time for a specialized educational program – his educational background however is Chemistry. I switched Jason from the, forgive me, Abeka crap that his mother was using to regular textbooks with a carefully moderated learning schedule, in order to prepare him for our state tests for that year.
Since I was homeschooling Jason, I decided to join a local homeschooling group. i did so. I attended 2 meetings before I was taken aside and it was made very clear to me by the facilitator that they did not want my kind with my kind of kids to come to the group. I was a liberal and not a Christian, such people were – she said – not welcome. I in particular she said “confused people” by being so well versed in various educational topics, and I was not using a “normal” homeschooling curriculum.
So I must say Laine, my experience has vastly differed from yours. Checking statistics however, my experience is more common. According to the NCES study in 2007 (the most recent I could find) 83% of home-schooling parents listed one of their primary reason for home-schooling to be providing moral or religious instruction; 36% that year listed it as THE (rather than a) primary reason. (http://nces.ed.gov/pubsearch/pubsinfo.asp?pubid=2009030 )
So based on my (admittedly subjective) experience and on national statistics – I think in general home-schooling is a very negative movement.
Kind thoughts,
Reyn