Kirk Cameron, the former teen star on the sitcom Growing Pains, has become a growing pain.
On CNN’s “Piers Morgan Tonight,” the anti-gay actor trashed LGBT Americans saying, “I think that it’s – it’s – it’s unnatural. I think that it’s – it’s detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.”
There are those who think the incoherent ramblings of an entertainer should be ignored, but it is crucial to not allow such ignorance to go unchallenged. Christian fundamentalists too often make the most foolish, factually unsupported statements, and get a free pass by hiding behind their religion. Their argument essentially is: You should take what I say very seriously because I’m moral, but I should not be subject to harsh criticism for intolerant statements that I can’t back up because they are my personal beliefs.
Conservatives like Rick Santorum have it backwards when they whine that Christians (like Cameron) are not welcome in the public square. What they really seek is to dominate the public space by browbeating anyone who challenges their often-bizarre views. They seek to abuse democracy by passing anti-democratic laws – sometimes through referenda — to give their beliefs dominion in the public sphere, and turn those whom they suppress into second-class citizens.
No one is taking rights away from fundamentalists – but they certainly can’t say the same, as they continuously work to demonize, dehumanize, stigmatize, and discriminate against LGBT citizens. It is also increasingly obvious that if they had enough support, they would severely curtail women’s freedom and reproductive rights.
Christian fundamentalists are not the martyrs they often pretend to be. However, there is a group of people that actually suffers because the “moral” insults of people like Santorum and Cameron give the unkind and unbalanced license to justify hatred and violence.
A report published by the Southern Poverty Law Center in November 2010, analyzing FBI data from 1995 to 2008, found that LGBT people are 2.6 times more likely to be attacked than blacks; 4.4 times more likely than Muslims; 13.8 times more likely than Latinos; and 41.5 times more likely than whites.
On one hand, people like Cameron truly believe they have cultural influence, which is why they are compelled to speak out. When people attack the subjects of their dehumanization, however, such types throw up their hands and plead they had nothing to do with creating a hostile climate where LGBT people are maimed, mugged, and murdered.
But what does Cameron think happens in the real world when LGBT people – particularly vulnerable youth — are turned into social pariahs? In his convoluted mind, does he think school bullies aren’t influenced when he calls their preferred targets “unnatural or immoral?”
I agree with Santorum that it is critical that born again Christians take their beliefs into the public square – that way they can be squarely challenged. When Cameron makes the outlandish claim that homosexuality is unnatural, he should have to explain in great detail why it naturally occurs in so many animal species. If he thinks that apes, penguins, or giraffes need to read the Old Testament to straighten out, then let him say so. What is his evidence other than a couple of misquoted, badly butchered Bible verses?
Cameron should be repeatedly asked in media interviews to offer hard evidence backing his foolish assertion that being gay is “detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.”
Which civilizations? Can he give us concrete examples of how the citizens of eight American states and the District of Columbia have been harmed by gay couples marrying? Can he show us how countries with marriage equality, such as Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, Mexico, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, and Sweden have unraveled? Does he prefer morally pure anti-gay societies such as Uganda, Russia, and Iran?
Cameron defended himself by claiming he has gay friends (all homophobes seem to think they do): “I do not, however, believe that the right way to advance our views is to resort to name-calling and personal attacks, as some have done to me. I also believe that freedom of speech and freedom of religion go hand-in-hand in America,” whined Cameron.
Someone needs to explain to Cameron that when he makes offensive, inaccurate, and spiteful pronouncements about an entire group of people he knows nothing about, his attacks are very personal and he is engaging in the very name-calling he derides. He also must learn that when people debunk his outdated views, they are expressing their freedom of speech.
If people like Cameron don’t have evidence for their opinions, they have earned the right to be excoriated in the very public square they claim to want to be in so badly. Christian fundamentalists don’t deserve special rights and their beliefs should be put under the same microscope as everyone else’s. That is precisely is what defines the public square in America.










Fundagelicals of any flavor just want special rights.
‘You should take what I say very seriously because I’m moral, but I should not be subject to harsh criticism for intolerant statements that I can’t back up because they are my personal beliefs.’ Hits the nail on the head. In the game of public discourse, playing the Religious Freedom Card is cheating. The Freedom of Religion amendment doesn’t allow you to slander minorities and call it freedom of speech. And disagreement and correction of your ignorance and bigoted opinions doesn’t ‘steal’ your freedom of speech, no matter how much Slippery Slope spin you want to give it. Of course, to these theocrats, it’s only freedom of speech to demonize gay people, not to defend them.
I’m gonna ‘fow up’ if I hear one more time how these fundaloons are being persecuted.
Well said, Wayne. I couldn’t agree more. The more extremists speak publically, the faster they’ll disappear into the trash bins of the lunatic fringe and, history.
Wow, he thinks this, that, or the other thing about gay people, etc. THINKS? I can hardly believe that. Where have we heard such words before? That list is too long to type here. Yea, thinks, but not on his own or individually. BUT – he is cute and always has been. However, no points here for that trick of nature.
This is similar to right-wingers who’ve been whining about liberals attacking the free speech of rush limpballs. As we’ve endlessly pointed out, slander and defamation do not come under the umbrella of ‘free speech’. And Jerk Cameron’s personal beliefs (religious or otherwise) *stop* when it comes to justice and equality under the law for the rest of us.
Notice how Cameron the gay-basher first made a personal attack against every single gay person, and then when criticized for it, said that he doesn’t think the best way to advance our views is through personal attacks.
Free Speech doesn’t mean Consequence Free Speech. Nor does it mean people who don’t agree with you have to remain silent. Fundies have enjoyed privilege for so long that they forget that. For so many years anytime somebody expressed a “religious” opinion it was considered in bad taste for others to challenge it no matter how rude, ignorant and/or hateful that opinion was. Now that the fundies are getting responses beyond “Amen”, and are actually being challenged when they spew their garbage, they resort to cries of “persecution” and claims that they’re being “silenced”. They can’t handle actual debate, having formerly been the only voice in the matter. They’re not used to facing demands for hard facts, given that “The Bible Says” and nebulous claims about “religious beliefs” always used to be enough to shut down any debate. The tables have turned, they no longer hold the upper hand and they don’t like it one bit.
Free speech applies only to government censorship of speech. It also not absolute: you can’t yell “fire” in a crowded theater.
Free speech also means I have every bit as much a right to express my opinion as Cameron does to express his. If I dance circles around his logic and make him look like an a*s, that’s the marketplace of ideas and is protected as well. There is no free pass based on religion. If your religion is an a*s, I have every bit as much a right to denounce it and point out its stupidity.
Dude, what a douchebag.
Cameron, that is.
LOL @ “Jerk Cameron” — that’s an apt name for him!
“Their argument essentially is: You should take what I say very seriously because I’m moral,…”
I don’t believe that to be an accurate assertion. I give the Christian Right more consideration as a whole because the Christian faith asserts that all of us are sinners, and it imposes humility on all its adherents. I give the LGBT sector less credit, because as a whole, they are beyond reproach it seems. They have no faults; they do everything they do they do out of personal fulfillment and pleasure. That is not an ideology I can I agree with.
“They have no faults; they do everything they do they do out of personal fulfillment and pleasure.”
Please. Fundamentalism is pleasure and the reason it is the opium of the masses.
The fundies derive an enormous amount of pleasure through their religion and in unjustifiably feeling morally superior. They completely get off on telling everyone how special they are and how to live. The idea that such indulgent, self-aggrandizing is humility is laughable.
By the way, there is nothing wrong with personal fulfillment and pleasure. If more people were happy and satisfied, the world would be a happier place. Indeed, there would be less fundies if more people were personally fulfilled and not in need of selling out their brains to a radical theology to ease the pain.
Rob Tisinai deals smartly with this in an article on his site: “I believe it, therefore it’s true”
http://www.wakingupnow.com
Yeah, I want to laugh at the claims of people like Cameron that they have gay friends, right after they’ve defamed those friends, and betrayed them socio/politically and legally, if not physically. Cameron obviously prefers his gay friends ‘in their place’.
It doesn’t occur to him and his ilk, that they are NO FRIENDS to gay people! And apparently don’t care. It’s very telling when those gay friends are only useful (however invisible and not available to verify the claims), when they are trying to defend the nasty claims they make about gay people.
11-Richard,
Mr Besen is right. Fundamentalism, that feeling that you are just better than everyone else, that the Big Brother creator of the Universe is on your side, generates good feeling, and that is all about ‘personal fulfilment and pleasure’
It’s funny you should consider ‘personal fulfilment and pleasure’ as something you can’t agree with.
I know I’m just an arm chair psychologist but you seem to equate ‘personal fulfilment and pleasure’ with something hedonistic anonymous sex or doing drugs or stopping someone who believes something different from getting a foothold in society and politics.
That is, performing a selfish or hedonistic act that benefits you and only you, and everyone else can go hang.
Suppose ‘personal fulfilment and pleasure’ came from doing a good job, say cleaning your sister’s house out with her, or giving a shed-load of money to your favourite charity or doing a buying-in and sitting with an old person to ease their loneliness?
Suppose it came from finding a wallet or purse stuffed with money and handing it in to the local police station?
Suppose it came from working every hour to see to it that a group of people had equal rights, fair goes in society?
‘Personal fulfilment and pleasure’ doesn’t mean ‘selfishly doing it my way’? Please, sir, try and see it that way, eh?
Maybe you’ll start to feel better about yourself.
Take care of yourself, Richard. For what it’s worth. I don’t dislike you and I certainly don’t think you are a wing nut. I think of you as an unhappy person who needs to accept themselves.
God Cameron’s bigotry goes on for days. He’s a big ol’ fail.
Dear Wayne:
Wayne, I’ve been up all night thinking about something that’s got me stumped. Now I’m a progressive and undiscriminating guy so, you know, 2 men want to marry or 2 woman want to marry, right on! But then I’m thinking, well, how about if 2 men and 1 woman want to marry? I mean, if we let the other ones marry, on what grounds can we discriminate here? There are no reasons, so go to it. And then 2 men and 2 women, 3 women and 1 man (hey, I like the sound of that), it’s all good, right? But then I thought of this article I read where there are organized groups of men that like to have sex with horses. Seriously, I’m not making this up. Pretty weird, but how can we progressives say no? But Wayne, something just doesn’t seem right.
Oh yeah, one more thing. Do we count a transgender as a man or a woman? Or how about a cross-dresser? And can a bisexual be married to themselves?
Wayne, I’m confused. Can you help?
do2, may I ask you, what are hoping to achieve?
Who is Wayne? Some poor sod who can’t fit in who you and your pals enjoying mocking?
I bet you’ve got plenty of friends haven’t you, do2? I bet you’re popular and fit in. But never think to use that popularity to make the ones who are different, the oddballs, feel safe and at home. No, you use it to hurt, to harm, to tease and torture and bully.
Do you get a buzz out of this, do2? Does the idea of a kid killing themselves give you a good laugh?
I’m not talking about LGBT people now, I’m talking about victims like me of bullies like you, victims who just want to be left alone, but who are mocked and dragged out and made to speak then the way they speak or dress laughed at.
You have no idea what it’s like, have you? To be terrified, shaking with fear at having to go amongst the bullies, the persecutor? You’ve no idea what it’s like when the one supposed to regulate tells you to grow up and accept it.
You’re got a loving family, friends, a relationship, you find it natural to get on with others. You have no idea what it is like to be on your own and left out have?
How many kids do you want dead, do2? If a kid kills themselves because they can’t take it any more, do you laugh and rub your hands, and show the report to your friends so you can joke about it with that special bullying wit that only a bully can achieve?
I hate you and everything you stand for, but I don’t wish you dead. But you wish me and people like me dead, don’t you, do2?
Don’t you?
do2. You are a shill and a troll. nothing more. If you are a progressive then I’m a Tea Partyer in a clown suit.
do2, you’re going to lose and your childish arguments won’t help you. In time the vast majority of society will recognize you as the pathetic insecure bigot you are.
“They have no faults; they do everything they do they do out of personal fulfillment and pleasure. That is not an ideology I can I agree with”
Richard, even you yourself recognize that this sort of “thinking” is what makes you a wing nut.
As I’ve said to you before, get some therapy to deal iwth your self-hatred issues. You’ll be happier, and i won’t have ot waste time telling you to get therapy instead of doing everything I do out of personal fulfillment and pleasure.
And yet you have no problem associating with a depraved blood cult, wing-nut, which actually does match the self-proclaimed faultless descriptor.