In a move that serves as a significant blow to “ex-gay” programs and anti-gay organizations, Dr. Robert Spitzer repudiated his much-criticized 2001 study that claimed some “highly motivated” homosexuals could go from gay to straight. His retraction occurred in an American Prospect magazine article that hit newsstands today. Spitzer’s rejection of his own research, which was originally published in the prestigious Archives of Sexual Behavior, is a devastating blow to “ex-gay” organizations because it decisively eliminates their most potent claim that homosexuality can be reversed through therapy and prayer.
Dr. Spitzer’s repudiation of his 2001 study is an earthquake that severely undermines the validity of ‘ex-gay’ programs. Spitzer just kicked out the final leg from the stool on which the proponents of ‘ex-gay’ therapy based their already shaky claims of success.
Spitzer’s 2001 study was a surprise and created a media firestorm because he had previously led the charge in 1972-73 to remove homosexuality from the list of mental disorders in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) of the American Psychiatric Association. At the time, this was a shocking story that captured the nation’s attention. Dr. Spitzer was the last person in America one would have expected to produce a study bolstering the claims of ‘ex-gay’ activists.
According to today’s American Prospect article:
“In retrospect, I have to admit I think the critiques [of my study] are largely correct,” Dr. Spitzer told the American Prospect in an article by Gabriel Arana titled, My So Called Ex-Gay Life. “The findings can be considered evidence for what those who have undergone ex-gay therapy say about it, but nothing more.”
He said he spoke with the editor of the Archives of Sexual Behavior about writing a retraction, but the editor declined. (Repeated attempts to contact the journal went unanswered.)
Spitzer said that he was proud of having been instrumental in removing homosexuality from the list of mental disorders. Now 80 and retired, he was afraid that the 2001 study would tarnish his legacy and perhaps hurt others. He said that failed attempts to rid oneself of homosexual attractions “can be quite harmful.” He has, though, no doubts about the 1973 fight over the classification of homosexuality.
“Had there been no Bob Spitzer, homosexuality would still have eventually been removed from the list of psychiatric disorders,” he said. “But it wouldn’t have happened in 1973.”
Spitzer was growing tired and asked how many more questions I had. Nothing, I responded, unless you have something to add. He did. Would I print a retraction of his 2001 study, “So I don’t have to worry about it anymore”?
Dr. Spitzer’s research was particularly harmful because he was the only non-socially conservative scientist to produce a study claiming some people could “pray away the gay.”
“This man is an atheist, so he’s not Bible thumping and doesn’t have an ax to grind,” said Greg Quinlan, President of Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays (PFOX), in an October 7, 2011 interview on NewsPlus with Mark Segraves. “He just decided, let’s talk about this ex-gay thing and see if it’s true. And he has concluded it can be true for people who are highly motivated to change.” PFOX currently has a video of Dr. Spitzer on the front page of its website.
Virtually every anti-gay organization in the country quotes Dr. Spitzer’s work. It will be an integrity test to see which groups remove citations of his work in the coming week. Those who continue to use his study to back their agenda are deliberately misleading people and we intend to hold them accountable.
This is not the first major “ex-gay” study to be debunked. For decades, anti-gay organizations gleefully pointed to Homosexuality in Perspective, a 1979 book written by Dr. William H. Masters and Virginia E. Johnson, that claimed to cure gayness. Indeed, the husband-and-wife sex research team went on Meet the Press on April 22, 1979 to discuss their findings. In his groundbreaking 2009 book, Masters of Sex, author Thomas Maier discovered that the results of Masters & Johnson’s study were entirely fabricated. Virginia Johnson acknowledged that the results were fake and she had actually argued in 1978 that the book should never have seen the light of day – but it was already too late in the publishing process to undo the damage.
Fortunately, the Archives of Sexual Behavior can honor Dr. Spitzer’s wishes and retract his study. They have an ethical and moral obligation to act as quickly as possible to right this terrible wrong that has fueled anti-gay campaigns for more than a decade. Truth Wins Out praised Dr. Spitzer, saying that his admission has solidified his legacy as a respected doctor and significant historical figure.
“It is never easy to admit wrongdoing and Dr. Robert Spitzer deserves much credit for reversing course,” said TWO’s Besen. “He acted in a noble and honorable manner which is consistent with the vast majority of his career.
Not one mainstream organization of medical and mental health professionals has found any evidence to support so-called “ex-gay” therapy; in fact, the evidence they have found suggests that it can actually be harmful to patients.










Wayne, is this really new?? Dr. Spitzer said not long after the likes of NARTH began to trumpet his report that the instances of real change were few and flimsy. There is even a YouTube clip that I will try to locate that is from that timeframe. You may want to also give a look at the postings by Dr. Warren Throckmorton of Grove City College who has been a watchdog for several years now in the field of “Reparative Therapy”.
Richard — this is new, no doubt about it. Do you think I’d lie to you or don’t know my topic?
Prior to this, Spitzer inched away from his study. He never completely renounced it. He did today. This is an earthquake of an admission.
And I’m the one who should know. I’m one of the first people to film Spitzer inching away from it and slamming Focus on the Family for distorting his work.
Here is a video I shot with him in 2007.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwE6_dLweYo
Here is a link to the YouTube clip; and it appears to have been uploaded on Jan 25, 2007 by someone named “Wayne Besen” (??) http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/04/11/1992920/amendment-goes-too-far.html
Yeah — exactly Richard. It was my video, so I can definitely say he never renounced his study. This is absolutely, positively NEW, NEW, NEW, NEW, NEW, NEW. So stop confusing our readers by suggesting it isn’t.
Richard, I just called a fundamentalist associate (we are not friends) who likes to tout Dr. Spritzers work in his anti gay preaching/advocacy. He is stunned and miserable about this. Trust Wayne here, this is NEW, and it is HUGE.
Now, the bigots can’t say “famous gay friendly athiest scientist did study saying change is possible”…well…they will probably say he “yielded to pressure” or some such crap (knowing them and how desperate they are becomming) but, now the honest ones can’t claim to have ANY mainstream science on their side. This is BIG.
Here are a few examples of past and present day use of his study:
http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/04/24193/
Wayne, is “wrongdoing” appropriate? If the study was conducted in good faith, but erroneous, then isn’t the damage done, no matter how grave, is a mistake, not a wrongdoing? Could this not have happened and still be an honourable mistake?
Wow. This is BIG news. I’ve never heard Dr. Spitzer say he wanted to retract his 2001 study.
Wrongdoing is entirely appropriate. I go into great detail in my book, Anything But Straight, how the methodology was deeply flawed. I had warned Dr. Spitzer prior to his study that it would be criticized for using employees, referrals, and leaders of NARTH and Exodus. For whatever reason, Spitzer wanted this study and thought trusting the word of people who worked at Exodus was a good idea.
Thus, if anything, wrongdoing is an understatement.
Thanks for the reply. I’m not as familiar as I could be with the background of the story so it really was a question (and not a snide challenge) and your answer is just what I wanted.
This is HUGE!
I’ve thought George Ryker’s scandalous 2010 travel companion from rentboy during his European trip debunk the whole “curing the gay” psychology and conversion therapy. But this will fuel the FACT that the Ex-Gay movement is a complete farce.
I hope legislation will one day be introduce to identify this horrific “reparative therapy” as dangerous and illegal.
Great piece Wayne! Thanks.
Short & Sweet:
THANKYOU, Wayne & Crew–for your work.
I can’t see the big deal…I think it is a bigger deal to the other side as you say. They rely on experts because they don’t have the life experience. This side of the river we know it is b******t…the problem as I see it is that somehow they cannot fathom that a loving God would allow human beings to be in a position where it is impossible to follow his precepts as they think that they do and as they see them. Well, He did and He does and that includes them..as Jack said in the great movie..” a Few Good Men”….”You can’t handle the truth”…they don’t even believe their own scriptures…sigh!
Robert Henderson, taking away the “ex-gay” industry’s last piece of “evidence” is a big deal.
Congratulations on reporting on this very important event. I’ve shared it on my Twitter and Facebook pages … jeff
Wayne, thanks for your tireless work to end the abomination of “repairative therapy”! Both myself and my husband (I’m a recovering catholic and he is a former Mormon) had our early lives sidetracked by belief in such “Change is possible” nonsense! We both, finally, came to understand that it was not us that was wrong but the bigoted and prejudiced churches that perpetuated these lies that was wrong. This is big and it is great news. I can’t help but hope that within the next few years, groups like Exodus and other organizations like it, who harn gay men and women and steal large chuck of thier lives, will cease to exist, to be only a sour memory in the history pages of gay liberation and our freedom from religous presecution!
i wish ppl would quit trying to “cure” gay ppl. how bout you get “cured” for being straight. homosexuality is not a disease, just like heterosexuality is not either. i understand the research and seeing if there’s any scientific info different between the 2, but really? a cure? its not something that just goes away one day, or gets put in remission like cancer. one’s own sexuality preference doesn’t mean that, that is their whole identity.
“i wish ppl would quit trying to “cure” gay ppl. how bout you get “cured” for being straight”
I would add, how about a cure for ignorance bigotry and religious brainwashing? They all need serious acceptance/reality/facts of life therapy. Some gay people need therapy to recover from these aggressively insane ppl who never deserved a national voice to begin with.
This is great news! Switzer needs to address the bisexual aspect as his “rare change” could easily have been on bisexuals, not gays. But a full retraction would be just ducky.
Never thought I’d live to see the day that something this important would happen. Basically everyone who has been through this kind of ex-gay therapy knows it’s a total farce and in many cases quite damaging. I’m just grateful my parents never sent me to one of those horrible places where they electrify you and torture you to “change” who you are. Hope that Michelle Bachmann and hubby are eating their own words on this one.
I’ve always been an admirer of Spitzer’s work, if not it’s outcome.
I have never held ANY faith in the study. Zero. I read it and thought maybe he had some sort of head injury that retarded his sanity. Any moderately sane gay individual with an IQ out of the 2 digit range KNEW the thing was absurd. Then I met and spent time with some “fixed” gay people. Some are fixed still, some have become ever so broken again. All had a desperation to be “normal” that I never had and still can’t understand. These very sane intelligent people were willing to sell their soul to a devil they believed in to “get right” on earth. If you aren’t of that faith, I don’t think you can grasp the desperation.
I firmly believe he had faith in the study. I think his lack of religion left him wide open and exploitable. I think he 100% fell butt over brains into a delusion so deep he didn’t know it existed. You have an axe here Wayne, and I love it and I hope like all get out you grind that sucker till it’s the sharpest one in the shed, but this wasn’t the wrongdoing, in my view, you’re painting it as. The good atheist doctor didn’t understand what the hell he was dealing with.
There are a lot of villains in this ex-gay crap. I refuse to place Spitzer in that pile. I BELIEVE he did that study with full faith in his facts and findings. Come on man, you have spent time with these ex-gay nutbags, both the “fixee” and the “fixers” it’s mind boggling the garbage that these people live, work and breathe. It’s the same vicious insanity that has to drive your efforts. You have seen it from a FAR FAR clearer angle than Spitzer ever could.
The ex-gays BELIEVE it. They do. I think the good Doctor fell for the swindle frankly. Maybe it’s less scary to point at Spitzer and deem him an accomplice, but I think it’s more accurate to view him as one of the fleeced. I truly believe these twisted freaks are THAT good and THAT committed to damaging and destroying anything that they can’t “un” gay. Having seen some of the victims of this abominable thing sold as recovery…I think even the good Dr got suckered.
A lot LOOOOOOT of “ex-gays” get some time out of the cult and uh oh, still gay. Spitzers body of work is pretty solid and above board. He has always had integrity and a clear purpose. Except for this study. Look at the mans body of work and all of the sudden 2001 he had some sort of herp derp out of nowhere…then ok again.
I’m thrilled to no end to see Spitzer retract it, but I am far more interested in what was said and done to make him buy into it deeply enough to stand behind it.
You keep doing what you do, my partner and I will keep forking over cash to make sure you can continue to do it, but maybe take a step back from this study one day and look at it again. You have been (rightly) after it from the start and you have come very clearly out as the more accurate guy (duh). Now tell me how the hell they managed to get over on Spitzer because it scares the living ***** out of me, and they were scary as all get out BEFORE they got over on him.
Next up: Ken Ham admits Jesus did not ride to school on a dinosaur.
This is, truly, unexpected, amazing, and wonderful news!
For several months I hosted an “ex-gay ministry” in my home but after sleeping with 2 of the members I realized, this stuff does NOT work. One group member is now clinically depressed and the other left his family. The rest are at various stages on the continuum of self-loathing and self-acceptance. All of us are damaged. Wish one day I could confront Spitzer and explain just how much harm this “therapy” he endorsed for over a decade caused to so many lives.
@ConBab…LOL a better analogy would be if Richard Leakey had published one study saying The Flintstones was a documentary.
I have been gay all my life. I have always been confident with myself as being gay. and didnt like anyone judging me. That is God’s Job. I have nothing against a true Christian trying to teach me God’s Word. The Bible. Which i do believe is the Word of God. Not everyone does and if you dont believe the Word of God, His Commands/Laws, as the Truth then you CANNOT Love God. I did in my heart struggle with being gay ( is it right or wrong in God’s eyes ). Im 47 now. and a couple of yrs ago GOD took that away from me. I simple prayed and asked Him if this is WRONG and you dont want me living this way, take it from me, take the urge from me,lead me down the right path. And HE DID. I didnt do it, HE DID. ( And if you knew me you would see the difference then from now ) And NO, no therapist or Minister “DE-GAYED” me. I was born again. I left my old life behind and started on a new one that He had in store for me, something better. I feel such a peace now. People say ” so your not gay anymore”. I say I cant deny who I am. But I dont act on my urges, As God wants me to I “restrain myself” and I practice Celibacy. This is God’s temple and I want to take good care of it. He also delivered me from many other things. There are lots of other things
“I” was doing wrong”. Put aside the “gay” issue. I dont think God likes seeing me hanging out in Bars, getting drunk, having sex with men/orgies, lying, blaspheming, gossiping, slandering. Yes I do Sin each day. BUT, i pray several time a day and REPENT of my sins and try my best to not keep doing them. People say, I hate that you will be alone, or that you seem sad because your denying who you are. lol. PLEASE. I have never been more happier or at peace with my life. This is what God has in store for MY life. I dont judge anyone else. People can make excuses for the Bible/Gods Word and try to change it around or make sense of it to justify how they live or find Churches who “accept” certain things. It takes MORE than just being good and serving dinner to the poor to get you into God’s Kingdom. (and yes i know we are to help the poor and less fortunate).I have a long way to go still. But I try my best each day. I have people laugh, ridicule me for how I believe, and ITS OK. We all have our beliefs. Just make sure before you take that last breath, You had it right. Hell is an awful place. It is SO BAD. I dont want to see my worst enemy go there. I want to see everyone go to Heaven. We just have to watch who we hang with and who we are trusting and listening too. God has His angels here on Earth. AND satan also has beautiful angels here on earth to deceive with FALSE teaching. I dont like these people who rally saying “God hate fags, homos, blacks, or whatever it may be”. GOD DOESN’T HATE, He HATES THE SIN. I am in a strong relationship now and will be for the rest of my days. It is with God/Jesus. He delivered me from my old ways, He watches over me, He provides me with all I need, He is always there for me, NO ONE loves me the way He does. And no one can save me but my LORD JESUS CHRIST. SO that is who I put my faith and trust in, not someone here telling me “its alright, God loves you anyway, no matter how you live”. PLEASE. We will ALL see in the END. And you can make all the comments all you want, but as anyone else i am 100% confident in MY belief. It may not work for anyone else, but it works for me and I’m satisfied with the results. Prayer does work, But you have to believe in it/God for it to work.
Ron, how stupid do you think we are? You claim you don’t Judge anyone? Then why did you post that ridiculous judgemental screed? You don’t think it’s judgemental to tell us we’re hellbound for not denying ourselves the way you are? You don’t think it’s judgmental to tell people that God hates them for being what they are? You don’t think it’s judgmental to tell people that living alone and miserable is the only way to avoid eternal torment? You don’t think it’s judgmental to label all gay people as hedonists? There is no such thing as “love the sinner hate the sin”. It is a cheap excuse so you can feel better about the pain you cause. God did not deliver you from anything. You just retreated back into the closet because some fear-mongering bigots got to you.
Ron – bearing false witness is a sin.
The reality is that millions of GLBTQ people of faith have begged God for years of their lives, decades, even their entire lives, and never been changed from gay to straight.
Homosexuality is not a sin. It is not a defect. It is not comparable to stealing, gossiping, etc. And heterosexuals have orgies and bar hop, yet no one concludes that heterosexuality is sin.
Your post is full of the standard anti-gay nonsense that thousands of heterosexuals have presented as fake “I used to be gay” testimony. But it does not actually match the reality of our lives, so GLBTQ people recognize it, immediately, as fiction.
LOL, rainbow, its called a testimony, And yes you have your opinion. And its just that, an opinion. Not everyone is going to agree. Trust me Im not lonely or miserable, I Love life even more now. Take it how you want to, You dont know me. Obviously it how your eyes and mind interpret my post. I do not judge, Im just saying what happened to me. Believe me or not, i could care less. And GOD hates the sin, NOT THE SINNER. They persecuted him and hated him first.
The Bible clearly teaches that God is love. First John 4:8-9 says, “Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.” Mysterious but true is the fact that God can perfectly love and hate a person at the same time. This means He can love him as someone He created and can redeem, as well as hate him for his unbelief and sinful lifestyle. We, as imperfect human beings, cannot do this; thus, we must remind ourselves to “love the sinner, hate the sin.”
How exactly does that work? We hate sin by refusing to take part in it and by condemning it when we see it. Sin is to be hated, not excused or taken lightly. We love sinners by being faithful in witnessing to them of the forgiveness that is available through Jesus Christ. A true act of love is treating someone with respect and kindness even though he/she knows you do not approve of his lifestyle and/or choices. It is not loving to allow a person to remain stuck in sin. It is not hateful to tell a person he/she is in sin. In fact, the exact opposites are true. We love the sinner by speaking the truth in love. We hate the sin by refusing to condone, ignore, or excuse it.
Sorry you have so much self hatred inflicted on you by some fundamentalist/catholic church that you have chosen an unnecessary, lessened life of not having someone to love. that is not what God wants for you.
Well, at least you don’t, if I understood you correctly, say you are not gay anymore…just self hating of the wonderful gay man God made you to be.
I hope you can move on from this. There are a lot of churches…better ones than the one you seem to follow, that can help you. Good luck.
Trust me “friend of Jonathan. Only God know fiction from Non fiction, And God knows my heart Not man. So all can come to an interpretation all they want. I just know what God did for me. You dont have to believe me. And I can show scriptures in the Bible where its wrong, BUT im sure you have seen the all and still not believe. Im not judging no one as I didnt want anyone judging me. I just said it may NOT work for anyone else as we all have free will and make our own conclusion and salvation. BUT it worked for me. If your happy with the way you live your lives and are content quit being so upset or confrontational. Why let it bother you. You say Christians attack the gay community. Arent you doing the same thing. Christians defend their rights as the believe as you are defending your rights as you see them.
Ron, thanks for your testiphony. I just pity people like you.
It was not an “interpretation”. You comment was the literal definition of judgemental. Once the high of your “salvation” wears off, it’s only a matter of time until you get photographed with a male prostitute. You have done nothing but judge. You call us sinful, hellbound, and hedonists because our lives differ from yours. Dressing it up in pretty words does not make it anything other than judgemental.
You have no idea what love is. You are gay whether you act on it or not. The sin and the sinner are the same thing. If you hate one you hate both, and you’ve made it clear that you hate gay people. You do not love us. It is not love to tell us that we need to spend our lives alone and miserable or else. It is not loving to tell us that we need to be forgiven simply for existing. You are not treating anyone with respect or kindness. You are treating them with cruelty for something that is completly outside of their control. It is not loving to call someone sinful simply for loving another person. You are not speaking truth. You are bearing false witness against gay people. You are not speaking in love. You are speaking in hatred for people that dare to live their lives on their own terms instead of yours. You hate the sinner and try to pass off your condemnation, shaming, and contempt as “love”. That is not love. It is hatred in its most base form. No amount of excuses and sophistry can change that.
Ron said “LOL, rainbow, its called a testimony”.
Putting a fancy label on a pile of B.S. doesn’t make it respectable, it still smells just as bad.
Thank you for you insight. For the record I love ALL/EVERYONE. take it how your mind wants to read it. You can make all the excused you want, We shall all see in the END what was right and what was wrong and see who was bearing “false testimony”. Yes straight people sin also, doing God knows what, we all do, no one said it was right either just because their “straight”. If your happy with you life, as I truely am. Be happy, and dont let someone else testimony/opinion get ya down. Have a truely wonderful day.
Just more proof that you don’t know what love is. It is not enough to say you love someone. You need to show it and what you’ve been showing is the exact opposite. We already know who has been bearing false witness through simple empericism. You’ve also demonstrated your double-standard. When a gay person sins you call being gay a sin, but when a straight person sins you just say everyone does. Someone who truly loves everyone does not think that way. If you were truly happy, you wouldn’t be wasting time trying to force others into the same pit of misery and despair so many of us have already experienced by trying to live like you do. When you accept yourself as you are, we’ll be ready to help you through it, but until then, don’t expect us to coddle you while you spout lies and bigotry.
Ron, if bigots would not look at people like you and say
1) wow…being gay must be so bad if he is willing to be alone in live to avoid admitting who he is and having a loving relationship with another guy…and thus looking at ME and thinking (and treating me as if) I am miserible and in need of ‘help’
2) oh…Ron stopped having a life. No man, no love (of the intimate relationship kind…I am sure you love your parents, family, friends, etc…but not the basic one on one love ALL people need and deserve) so why can’t ALL those gays do that and stop whining about equal rights and marriage?
3) it wrongly implies that their is some religious reason not to be gay…which, as the best and most educated denominations will point out to you, is not the case.
Don’t tell us to have a truly wonderful day when you just show us a sad example of an unnecessarily single life which bigots will use to hurt OUR lives and rights, and given flawed and inferior religious mistaken opinions to justify it.
You REALLY need to raise your standards and find a better church (Presbyterian, Lutheran, Episcopal, United Church of Christ, among others). Good luck. Till then, you have my well deserved pity.
You have earned it.
Hey Ron, If I read your testimony right, you said you still have the same-sex attractions but said you’ve lived a celibate life for the last few years in your late 40′s. You never mention having any desire for the opposite sex, right? Can you understand why most people would say you are still gay, but claiming to live a celibate life? In my 22 years in the ex-gay ministries, every man I got to know claimed that absolute kind of statement in public to make a strong witness for what we believed, but in private at some points over the years each would admit to having “fallen.” It happened in every case I knew of, though I am sure a few people can live celibate lives happily. If you are happy living the rest of your life alone, I wish you the best. I can tell you, however, that many of us are much happier living with a same-sex spouse. When it comes down to it, gays and straights are both alike that way. Few are the ones happy living celibate lives. Most are fulfilled marrying the person they love. At any rate, please don’t condemn all the other gay people. Your testimony may be used to pass laws allowing gays to be imprisoned and beaten and even executed in Third World Nations. I’m sure you don’t want that.
Ron, if you are so deliriously happy with your life with Jesus now that you’ve walked away from homosexuality, why don’t you just mind your own business and live your happy life to its fullest? I’ll answer the question for you:
I think one of the reasons you don’t mind your own business is because behind all the certainty you display for public consumption, there are seeds of doubt about your beliefs and choices. And one of the ways you smash those seeds is to lure others into your beliefs to help confirm their “truth.” But the problem is that there are always more seeds to be smashed, and it becomes an endless cycle. And of course, your clever religious leaders love you because you are eager to lure others into the belief system to expand their sphere of power, influence, status, and often, wealth.
One of the pesky problems with believing stuff for which there is no evidence is that those beliefs (and their “truth”) then rely on clever charismatic leaders, indoctrination, insistence, repetition, luring in of new believers, and persecution of those who question or don’t believe.
Ron, you are absolutely entitled to your own spiritual journey. I applaud you for it. But then you wrote this, which makes me wonder exactly what your journey entails.
““I” was doing wrong”. Put aside the “gay” issue. I dont think God likes seeing me hanging out in Bars, getting drunk, having sex with men/orgies, lying, blaspheming, gossiping, slandering. Yes I do Sin each day. BUT, i pray several time a day and REPENT of my sins and try my best to not keep doing them.”
It sounds to me that like to many “I-used-to-be-gay-but-now-I’m-not testifiers, you lived the “evil” gay lifestyle instead of a good gay life. And you confused your bad choices on how you lived your life with a morally neutral fact of your life, blaming the latter for the former. It’s not an uncommon story by any means. And that’s the problem with it. I’ve heard maybe twice in my life someone saying, “I had a great life with a wonderful man and a great family. I realized it was sinful and then threw it all away.’ It’s always “My life sucked.”
Instead of accepting the responsibility for your bad choices. Instead of making better choices. Now you’re making better choices for your life. If you didn’t like to promiscuous gay lifestyle, why did you choose it? And other than the improvement in your own life, why did you need jesus to make better choices for your life. I smoke to much dope. i didn’t need Jesus to hrelp me get it under control. I just needed to accept my own responsibility.
So here are the questions. Are you still gay? Do you still feel attraction to other men? Do you still want sex and love with other men? And these times that you have “sinned” every day: are those sins of a sexual nature that involve other men? Are you repenting of them? Do you repent of them and then commit them again?
And here are the parallel questions. Are you now heterosexul? Do you feel the attraction wo women that you used to feel towards men? Do you want love and sex with women? Are those times you sin every day sins of a sexual that involve women? Are you repenting of them? Do you repent of them and then commit them again.
Please undertand, I’m not attacking you. I’m just asking you to be honest with us, at least, if not with yourself. It’s one thing to claim that you are no longer living the despicable gay lifestyle, and have been healed by the power of Jesus.
It’s quite another thing, like alan chambers, to claim that you’re not gay to one audience, then admit you are to another, to claim that you have changed to one audience, and then admit to another that no one has changed.
When I run into someone who says, “All I had to do was say a simple prayer, and then I was no longer gay” I think that if they were telling the truth, they should go kick Alan Chambers out of the president’s chair at Exodus International. Chambers admitted that it took him 9 months of marriage before he could bring himself to try sex with his wife. Their kids come from adoption. He admits to having had same-sex attractions every day of his life, and says he expects he always will. And more than once this year, he has admitted that other than a few bisexual lesbians, he cannot think of a single person who ever went from same-sex attraction to opposite-sex attraction. This caused a media firestorm, but Exodus International never contradicted Chambers. That means they knew it was true all this time, but did not admit it. Google Exodus admits gays can’t change
Ron, if you were honestly happy you wouldn’t be here seeking validation of your choice by trying to get other’s to join you.
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http://centerforhealthmediapolicy.com/2012/04/14/shutting-the-door-on-reparative-therapy-2/
[...] to the gay community — and victims of reparative therapy in particular — for his infamous, now-repudiated 2001 study that claimed some “highly motivated” homosexuals could go from gay [...]
[...] apology to the gay community — and victims of reparative therapy in particular — for his infamous, now-repudiated 2001 study that claimed some “highly motivated” homosexuals could go from [...]
[...] has exclusively obtained a letter from psychologist Dr. Robert Spitzer officially invalidating his infamous 2001 study which claimed that some “highly motivated” homosexuals could go from gay to [...]
[...] a segment in which Maddow discussed the implications of Dr. Robert Spitzer’s historic retraction of and apology for his infamous 2001 study that claimed certain “highly motivated” [...]
[...] has exclusively obtained a letter from psychologist Dr. Robert Spitzer officially invalidating his infamous 2001 study which claimed that some “highly motivated” homosexuals could go from gay to [...]
[...] has exclusively obtained a letter from psychologist Dr. Robert Spitzer officially invalidating his infamous 2001 study which claimed that some “highly motivated” homosexuals could go from gay to [...]