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	<title>Comments on: Commentary: Still the Iconoclast, Dr. Robert Spitzer Renounces His Infamous ‘Ex-Gay’ Study</title>
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	<description>Fighting antigay lies and the ex-gay myth</description>
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		<title>By: Rachel Maddow: How The &#8216;Ex-Gay&#8217; Movement Has Harmed Every Gay Person&#8217;s Life</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/04/24299/comment-page-1/#comment-70544</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Maddow: How The &#8216;Ex-Gay&#8217; Movement Has Harmed Every Gay Person&#8217;s Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] And &#097;&#102;&#116;&#101;&#114;, read Wayne Besen&#8217;s &#101;&#120;&#099;&#101;&#108;&#108;&#101;&#110;&#116; piece: &#8220;Commentary: &#115;&#116;&#105;&#108;&#108; &#116;&#104;&#101; Iconoclast, Dr. Robert Spitzer Renounc....&#8221; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And &#097;&#102;&#116;&#101;&#114;, read Wayne Besen&#8217;s &#101;&#120;&#099;&#101;&#108;&#108;&#101;&#110;&#116; piece: &#8220;Commentary: &#115;&#116;&#105;&#108;&#108; &#116;&#104;&#101; Iconoclast, Dr. Robert Spitzer Renounc&#8230;.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ex-gay therapy: so, about that &#8220;choice&#8221;? » A Plague Of Mice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ex-gay therapy: so, about that &#8220;choice&#8221;? » A Plague Of Mice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Commentary: Still the Iconoclast, Dr. Robert Spitzer Renounces His Infamous &#8216;Ex-Gay&#8217; Stu... (truthwinsout.org) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Commentary: Still the Iconoclast, Dr. Robert Spitzer Renounces His Infamous &#8216;Ex-Gay&#8217; Stu&#8230; (truthwinsout.org) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Repudiating &#34;Ex-Gay&#34; Therapy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Repudiating &#34;Ex-Gay&#34; Therapy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 03:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] it was just reported a couple of weeks ago that Dr. Spietzer  has “renounced”  his study, admitting that his methods and sample were inaccurate, and said he didn’t like how [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it was just reported a couple of weeks ago that Dr. Spietzer  has “renounced”  his study, admitting that his methods and sample were inaccurate, and said he didn’t like how [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Griffith</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/04/24299/comment-page-1/#comment-69538</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 04:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m surprised no one has suggested Spitzer revisit his original test subjects from the peer-reviewed paper that caused all this damage. How many of the people he interviewed are still &quot;ex-gay&quot;?  How many have gone back over? And what is the quality of life of those who remain &quot;cured&quot;? Are they happily married church going pillars of society or alcoholic depressives? I have an idea what the answer might be, but it would be great to follow up and have another peer reviewed study that puts the matter of a &quot;cure&quot; to bed once and for all (maybe).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised no one has suggested Spitzer revisit his original test subjects from the peer-reviewed paper that caused all this damage. How many of the people he interviewed are still &#8220;ex-gay&#8221;?  How many have gone back over? And what is the quality of life of those who remain &#8220;cured&#8221;? Are they happily married church going pillars of society or alcoholic depressives? I have an idea what the answer might be, but it would be great to follow up and have another peer reviewed study that puts the matter of a &#8220;cure&#8221; to bed once and for all (maybe).</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a het woman.
Some particularly important facts for YOU and your church Charles.

1. Gays and lesbians are roughly 10% give or take a bit of the ENTIRE of the world&#039;s population and ALWAYS have been. 90% heteros isn&#039;t enough? 

2. Gays and lesbians are universal to all human life and history, regardless of culture, family structure, ethnic variance or orientation of the parents. Evidence that it&#039;s biologically innate and morally neutral. Religious belief has proven to be very destructive and abusive of millions throughout human history. A valuable distinction you&#039;re not acknowledging.

3. Scapegoating the mysterious and different is a tradition among primitive, barbaric and illiterate masses. More enlightened, educated and morally rational people understand that we ALL live in the 21st century and that human beings have benefited from progress in integration, equal justice and understanding of each other. Why make gay people exceptions to that as if strangers to our race? 

4. The real moral values are of compassion, kindness, courage, creativity and intelligence and honesty. There is no evidence that homosexuality constricts or renders gay people incapable of or immune to all those things. In other words, heterosexuality is not necessary for everyone, and is no standard of CHARACTER or virtue. It&#039;s merely a COMMON sexual orientation, not one of RIGHTNESS or HOLINESS. 

5. Apparently our Creator made a world of immense variations and diversity. The Creator didn&#039;t want to be bored with us, or each other. Gay people, bi&#039;s and asexuals all belong too. That you don&#039;t want to believe it, speaks to YOUR arrogance and assumptions, rather than what nature intended and continues.

6. SINGLE heterosexuals, shouldn&#039;t have to compete with gays and lesbians for spouses. Gays have their own matches made in nature, and hets have theirs. There are less gays anyway, and finding their own matches to share life with, would be harder anyway. 

7. I&#039;m sick of presumptive people like YOU interfering with the rarer and interesting minority of gay people and trying to make them like everyone else under threat. Think about the function of the thumb and the fingers. The thumb is a minority too. Acting in complete opposition to the fingers. But the hand is less strong and skilled without it. Gays and lesbians are a GIFT from God that we become powerful allies. There is no benefit to discriminating and cutting off gay people from the same rights and protections everyone else has. Especially when they are already law abiding, responsible and contributing citizens. It&#039;s a moral contradiction to benefit from gay people in this why, while at the same time VILIFYING them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a het woman.<br />
Some particularly important facts for YOU and your church Charles.</p>
<p>1. Gays and lesbians are roughly 10% give or take a bit of the ENTIRE of the world&#8217;s population and ALWAYS have been. 90% heteros isn&#8217;t enough? </p>
<p>2. Gays and lesbians are universal to all human life and history, regardless of culture, family structure, ethnic variance or orientation of the parents. Evidence that it&#8217;s biologically innate and morally neutral. Religious belief has proven to be very destructive and abusive of millions throughout human history. A valuable distinction you&#8217;re not acknowledging.</p>
<p>3. Scapegoating the mysterious and different is a tradition among primitive, barbaric and illiterate masses. More enlightened, educated and morally rational people understand that we ALL live in the 21st century and that human beings have benefited from progress in integration, equal justice and understanding of each other. Why make gay people exceptions to that as if strangers to our race? </p>
<p>4. The real moral values are of compassion, kindness, courage, creativity and intelligence and honesty. There is no evidence that homosexuality constricts or renders gay people incapable of or immune to all those things. In other words, heterosexuality is not necessary for everyone, and is no standard of CHARACTER or virtue. It&#8217;s merely a COMMON sexual orientation, not one of RIGHTNESS or HOLINESS. </p>
<p>5. Apparently our Creator made a world of immense variations and diversity. The Creator didn&#8217;t want to be bored with us, or each other. Gay people, bi&#8217;s and asexuals all belong too. That you don&#8217;t want to believe it, speaks to YOUR arrogance and assumptions, rather than what nature intended and continues.</p>
<p>6. SINGLE heterosexuals, shouldn&#8217;t have to compete with gays and lesbians for spouses. Gays have their own matches made in nature, and hets have theirs. There are less gays anyway, and finding their own matches to share life with, would be harder anyway. </p>
<p>7. I&#8217;m sick of presumptive people like YOU interfering with the rarer and interesting minority of gay people and trying to make them like everyone else under threat. Think about the function of the thumb and the fingers. The thumb is a minority too. Acting in complete opposition to the fingers. But the hand is less strong and skilled without it. Gays and lesbians are a GIFT from God that we become powerful allies. There is no benefit to discriminating and cutting off gay people from the same rights and protections everyone else has. Especially when they are already law abiding, responsible and contributing citizens. It&#8217;s a moral contradiction to benefit from gay people in this why, while at the same time VILIFYING them.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hargmier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hargmier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Upon reading Dr. Spitzer&#039;s methodologies, I am appalled. If I had dared hand in a study like that when I was at university, it would have been thrown back in my face.

How did it even get published? And now Archives of Sexual Behavior will not print a retraction? Makes one wonder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon reading Dr. Spitzer&#8217;s methodologies, I am appalled. If I had dared hand in a study like that when I was at university, it would have been thrown back in my face.</p>
<p>How did it even get published? And now Archives of Sexual Behavior will not print a retraction? Makes one wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: Reyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*family&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: Reyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Charles

I&#039;m sorry to be indelicate -- but do you have any idea how your posts look to an outsider who isn&#039;t part of your particular version of the &quot;True&quot; church?  I strongly urge you, for your own sake and your families to consider what is going on inside you -- and perhaps consider why.

Regards,

Reyn]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Charles</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to be indelicate &#8212; but do you have any idea how your posts look to an outsider who isn&#8217;t part of your particular version of the &#8220;True&#8221; church?  I strongly urge you, for your own sake and your families to consider what is going on inside you &#8212; and perhaps consider why.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Reyn</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Mc</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/04/24299/comment-page-1/#comment-69370</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had sex with one woman - it was a terrible thing that I did. The guilt was enormous and damaging. I still think about her and how cynical and cowardly I was. No gay man should ever ever ever try sex with a woman &#039;just in case&#039;. 

This Charles B guy - this is a joke, right? Come on Charles, you&#039;re from Christwire? Or the Onion? or SNL?

Who writes that way? The Spainish Inquisition?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had sex with one woman &#8211; it was a terrible thing that I did. The guilt was enormous and damaging. I still think about her and how cynical and cowardly I was. No gay man should ever ever ever try sex with a woman &#8216;just in case&#8217;. </p>
<p>This Charles B guy &#8211; this is a joke, right? Come on Charles, you&#8217;re from Christwire? Or the Onion? or SNL?</p>
<p>Who writes that way? The Spainish Inquisition?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hargmier</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/04/24299/comment-page-1/#comment-69357</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hargmier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charles B,

Quinlan is not a godly man. 

Quinlan is a liar and a fraud.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles B,</p>
<p>Quinlan is not a godly man. </p>
<p>Quinlan is a liar and a fraud.</p>
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