Yesterday, Scott Hamilton of the Cimarron Alliance did a terrific job hosting a press conference in Oklahoma City with national implications. We were speaking out against despicable holocaust revisionist Scott Lively, who runs Abiding Truth ministries, an official Southern Poverty Law Center hate group. He is also the author of the Pink Swastika. Our press conference was covered by Carla Hinton of the Daily Oklahoman:
The Rev. Scott Hamilton, executive director of the Cimarron Alliance, held a news conference Thursday in which he and a local church pastor, a Muslim civil rights group leader and others voiced opposition to author Scott Lively’s planned visit to Draper Park Christian Church, 8500 S Walker. The news conference was held at Church of the Open Arms, 3131 N Pennsylvania.
Hamilton said coalition members think Lively spreads hate and untruths by es
pousing themes in a book Lively co-authored called “The Pink Swastika.” The coalition characterized Lively as a Holocaust revisionist who has been placed on the Southern Poverty Law Center’s list of hate groups.
“This book lays squarely at the feet of gay people the atrocities of the Holocaust,” Hamilton said.
Wayne Besen, executive director of Truth Wins Out, also spoke out against Lively. He applauded the coalition’s efforts to hold Draper Park Christian Church accountable for bringing Lively to Oklahoma City. Truth Wins Out is a Vermont-based nonprofit organization that aims to fight anti-gay religious extremism.
“This is not Christianity, it’s insanity. It’s not faith, it’s folly. It’s not history, it’s a hoax,” he said.
Here is a video of the press conference that I was honored to be a part of (for those interested I speak at 13:25):
Tonight, we will fight back against Lively again. If you are in the Oklahoma City area, please join us:
What: Live-Audience edition of Oklahoma: Inside Out called “Speaking Only The Truth”
When: Friday, April 27, 7-8:30 P.M.
Who: Scott J. Hamilton, Cimarron Alliance, show host
Wayne Besen, Truth Wins Out
Michael Kornblit, author of Until We Meet Again: A True Story of Love and Survival in the Holocaust
Pastor Neill Spurgeon, an evangelical minister who suffered at the hands of the “ex-gay” industry and today suffers PTST as a result
I hope to see you there.
I am doubly offended as a Jew and a gay man. Some of my ancestors died at the end of the Vel’ d’Hiv Roundup in 1942. Tens of thousands of Jews were saved by brave yet “ordinary” Parisians with a keen sense of right and wrong.
To use a history of antisemitism to advance an agenda of homophobia is disgraceful. Lively is a coward. I guess we all know what he would have done had he been a Parisian in 1942.
These comments are addressed to the “Church of the Open Arms”.We are in the UK and are Evangelical Christians.We wish to make two observations, 1. AIDS did start within the “gay” community.Originally the disease was called GRIDS (Gay Related Immunodeficiency Syndrome).That label had to change, as the homosexual community needed public sympathy and money to advance their cause. 2.When you verbally attack those who oppose your destructive lifestyle,all you are doing is parroting out the script from Madsen and Kirk’s “After the Ball”.
Here, Sola, Wikipedia INSTANTLY proves your first assertion incorrect. (I had heard of the case from 1969, but was unaware of the earlier ones.)
Oops, forgot the link…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_AIDS
Sola, the reason the name GRID had to change was because it didn’t take into account the non gay people who became ill such as hemopheliacs and Hatians as well as the vast number of people internationally in places such as Africa who did not get the diesease from gay sex. You’re really misinformed–or selectively informed. If I thought you were actually interested in learning I might care more but you really just want to know enough to continue living in your bigotry.
I think she is selectively misinformed. The information is out there for any intelligent person who cares to learn the basics.
Think of it this way. If there was a picnic where a baseball team became one of the first noticeable groups to catch a food borne disease from eating fried chicken, the disease might be called Baseball Picnic Fried Chicken Disease. (BPFCD). But as the world noticed that many other people that did not play baseball, nor eat at picnics caught the bug, the name would likely be changed.
This is a very simplified version of what happened here. It was not a grand conspiracy. The name change reflected the diverse people in society who had HIV.
Sola said “When you verbally attack those who oppose your destructive lifestyle,all you are doing is parroting out the script from Madsen and Kirk’s “After the Ball”.”.
That’s absurd and you know it. Virtually no one in the gay community has read that book and the vast majority have only heard of it because bigots like you keep falsely claiming its influenced the gay community.
We oppose you because you immorally attack and oppress innocent people. There is not two sides to this issue, you are evil and the LGBT community is blameless.
I wonder who Madsen and Kirk wrote their book for,and just who was their target audience? Do you really think they wanted Bible-believing Christians to read their anti-Christian propaganda? Come on now, you know the book was written for homosexuals, at least admit that.Truth Wins Out is a misnomer,I suggest it be renamed as Untruths Win Out.You are supressing the truth about the dangers of the homosexual lifestyle but after death comes judgement and God will have the final say.
Sola there’s no such thing as the pope of gays despite how much you bigots like to pretend those two are. It doesn’t matter who they aimed their book at, virtually no gay people have read it and the vast majority would have never heard of it if it weren’t for anti-gay bigots like you constantly ranting on falsely about what a big deal it is.
There is no such thing as a gay “lifestyle”. Gays live a diverse array of lifestyles just as heterosexuals do. It is well established truth and you know it yourself, same sex sex in a monogamous relationship is harmless and brings pleasure, happiness and devotion to the respective partners. Every major mental and physical health organization agrees that gayness is a healthy normal variant of human sexuality. Every day fewer and fewer people believe your lies. You’ve been losing the war you declared on gays, you’ve been losing for a long time and you will never turn your losses around.
Your god does not exist – I will have the final say at death and in the meantime I am absolutely ecstatic about the wonderful life I’m living.
I pity you in that happiness obviously eludes you and that is why you troll LGBT websites in a hopeless effort to bring meaning to your life by desperately trying to control and oppress innocent people.
I think the funniest part of Sola’s presence here is that her constant attempts to threaten us with “God will have the final say” when it’s obvious that she, or any other Christian, does not even believe that herself. If they did believe that, why waste the effort in attempting to dominate all of humanity, and subject all within their reach to their sick, bloody, twisted mockery of governing all over again? It is nothing more than part of their propaganda, to ensure that they keep their undeserved wealth and power. The reason they are so shrill now is because their tyrannical grip on humanity is weakening.
Madsen and Kirk want gays to be accepted. They wrote a wonderful book to help accomplish this. This is about the same as any mega-church marketing plan. There is nothing sinister about it. It is not a conspiracy. It is a guide to hiw to best present America with an accurate depiction of a once invisible people.
So what?
Far from trolling LGBT websites, I posted here in support of Pastor Scott Lively,who courageously upholds God’s Word from Genesis to Revelation.I wish to make it clear,that I certainly do believe that God will have the final say.Be not deceived,God is not mocked,the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah discovered that defying Almighty God has fearful consequences,but God is merciful and not willing that any shoud perish eternally,so I urge you to seek the Lord and His mercy and His great salvation.
Ooo, look at me, I’m god, I have fearful consequences, stop being fabulous or else. I’m so merciful I’ll torture you eternally for behaving in ways that harm no one – aren’t I wonderful?
Sola, that you came here to support a man as obviously evil as Scott Lively proves you are completely devoid of ethics and have no respect for the truth.
Sorry God and Sola, but Priya Lynn could never not be fabulous.
“Far from trolling LGBT websites, I posted here in support of Pastor Scott Lively,who courageously upholds God’s Word from Genesis to Revelation.”
You are a troll Sola Scriptura. A true Christian would love as Christ loved. And your words and hatred prove that you, like Scott Lively, are not Christians. Scoot Lively is a liar and a fraud. He is a coward and homophobe too. His actions in the media prove he is either a hate-monger or is using the name of God and Christendom to promote his own hate-filled agenda. ps. If Lively upheld God’s word, he would be reaching out in love, and would know that the Bible says nothing negative about homosexuality.
“Be not deceived,God is not mocked,the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah discovered that defying Almighty God has fearful consequences,but God is merciful and not willing that any shoud perish eternally,so I urge you to seek the Lord and His mercy and His great salvation.”
God is not mocked, however you mock yourself in willful ignorance. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they were arrogant, haughty and had abundance but they lacked common decency, compassion and generosity. Any fool can pick up the Bible and seek the book of Ezekiel to find out why God destroyed Sodom and her sister city Gomorrah. So you obviously could care less that salvation is of the Lord, and not given to condemn others. It’s a sad and pitiful thing that you perish in pride, foolishness and willful ignorance!
if you have not read, or do not know the passage in The Book of Ezekiel to which I referenced, use the internet Bible with multiple translations that define the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah. There is no excuse for willful ignorance.
http://bible.cc/ezekiel/16-49.htm
I think I read “After the Ball” back in the 90s. But maybe not. But really, it hasn’t been influential. It’s not like anyone follows it lockstep. Unlike, say, the Bible or Any Rand.
Who gets to decide which, out of the millions of books nobody — including me — has ever heard of, is the one that’s supposed to be in charge of my life?
Only someone who thinks there is, indeed, such a thing as a single book everyone is required to live their life by could even come up with such nonsense.
Let me solve this troll’s problem: there are no gods. That wasn’t so hard, was it? You’re welcome.
Thanks emma ; )
XXOO
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@Sola Scriptura
1. GRID was always inaccurate as HIV was already spreading through Africa and elsewhere in the world. HIV is an evolved form of SIV (an immune deficiency disease in some species of Monkeys). GRID became known as AIDS after it was clear that not only did the disease effect NON-gay people, but effected NON-gay people FIRST.
2. I have had a lengthy exchange via email with Doctor Lively – who I do not find particularly compelling as a scholar or as an advocate for his positions – although I suspect that as a human being, separated from his prejudices, he is decent enough. I note this because my positions are informed by actual conversations with the man, at least to a variable degree.
3. You use the phrase “Bible believing Christians.” I assert “Sola” that the phrase is basically meaningless.
Despite the meme that says that the Christian church was originally built on a belief in a literal “Bible,” theological history, church documents from the early centuries, and a clear understanding of timelines all show that the Bible, in any form we would recognize came relatively late in the history of the church — and was not its basis. Furthermore, any close study shows that modern fundevangelicalism is VERY new. It is not a recreation of some hidden early branch of Christianity, but rather an outgrowth of a movement that did not start until the mid 1800s.
Those are facts. The Church, and its very early incarnations and offshoots were Eucharistic always, and creedal long before any Christian was “Biblical.”
“Biblical Christians” are very new as a faith group, and practice a new faith which is clearly not historic Christianity, despite all claims to the contrary. Start with that acknowledgement and perhaps your comments will appear more informed.
Regards,
Reyn