Oh, dear. This is one of those cases where you see a wingnut talking/writing, and you almost (almost) feel sorry for them. Suze Orman is obviously a wonderful, accomplished, brilliant woman, and she obviously loves her wife. But yet, here is a wingnut named Judy Meissner who thinks she actually has something to say to Suze Orman about her “lifestyle choice.” Like I said, I almost feel sorry for poor Judy.
Suze Orman Supports ‘Marriage Equality’? Get Real, Suze!
By Judy Meissner
Suze Orman, you are too smart to declare with a completely straight face that you “are not treated equally” because you cannot marry a person of your same sex.
Inequality means not being permitted something another citizen is permitted under the same, equal terms and conditions.
Suze, you can marry anyone under the same, equal terms and conditions as every other American. no one in America is allowed to marry under different, unequal terms and conditions as you seek, incredibly, in the name of “equality.” What you are proposing, Suze, is not “marriage equality,” but marriage inequality!
No one in America is ever asked their alleged sexual preference, their alleged sexual behavior or their alleged sexual practices when they apply for a marriage license. No one! Everyone in America can marry under the same terms and conditions as everyone else. So deal with it, Suze. Do not attempt to insult our intelligence, or yours, for that matter.
No, it’s kind of assumed that the couple in question has already crossed the bridge of “are we sexually attracted to each other?” And Judy, when we use a grown-up understanding of sexuality, and a grown-up acceptance of reality, we understand that a heterosexual person should naturally marry someone of the opposite sex, while a homosexual person should marry someone of the same sex. Anything else would be cruel both to the person marrying against their natural sexual orientation and to the spouse who has to endure a marriage where their partner really doesn’t want to have sex with them, ever. Unless Judy is okay with the idea of her husband, if she has one, secretly lusting after men. I mean, it’s God’s plan, right, Judy?
Stop me if this grown-up talk gets too complicated.
Now, if you want to talk about “Marriage Equality,” that true equality applies equally to everyone! It cannot be granted to a privileged few, but unequally denied to everyone else. It’s hypocritical to demand “Marriage Equality” for aberrosexuals (those who engage in biologically aberrant sexual behavior), yet cynically deny it to all others that, by the same logic, are as equally deserving.
Haha, ole Judy made up a word! Actually, in states with marriage equality, straight people are equally able to marry a person of the same sex, if they so choose. Don’t know why they would…
But yes, “marriage equality” gives people the right to consensually marry the person they love, regardless of what kind of genitals they have. Judy’s worried about the genitals, though, I can see.
Aberrosexualists (partisans, whether aberrosexual or not, of the extremist ideology pushing for the “normalization” of biologically aberrant sexual behavior) mock the very notion of equality by demanding “equal marriage rights” for themselves while conveniently refusing it to everyone else in a “loving and caring relationship.” What about those who want to so-call “marry” their blood relatives, minors, multiple partners, or even their lovable, adorable pets? That’s right, Suze! If you can leave your entire estate to your beautiful Labrador retriever, why shouldn’t you be able to marry him (or her?) as well? Shouldn’t “Marriage Equality” apply to these Americans as well?
This is one of the stupidest wingnut articles I have ever read. Porno Pete posted this on his blog, so he obviously doesn’t see how stupid it is, but then again, Porno Pete admires Chuck Norris, who is pretty much the butt of his own joke these days. Porno Pete ‘n’ Judy also don’t seem to understand the concept of consensual marriage, which tells us more about them than it does about LGBT people. If you’re really worried that marriage equality will lead to people marrying their cats, you’ve got, um, issues.
Aberrosexualist extremists pushing so-called “Marriage Equality” need to come clean. They need to be consistent at the very least! They can’t advocate “Marriage Equality” for a chosen few, while hypocritically denying it to those who may want to ”marry” (so-called) multiple partners or their grandma so they can be covered by her insurance or inherit her great pension benefits. Otherwise, they must stop pretending to stand for “Marriage Equality” at all!
Judy, you go ahead and start that fight. It’s obviously close to your heart. One more time, though, for the slow: grown-ups understand that scientists and mental health researchers acknowledge that a person’s sexual orientation determines what kind of person they’re going to fall in love with and want to marry. Heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality are classified as sexual orientations. Incest, polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality are not, and they never will be, no matter how stupidly a wingnut reads the medical and psychological literature.
Americans in all 50 states already enjoy “Marriage Equality.” Regardless of their alleged sexual preference, everyone in America has the right to marry a member of the opposite sex on the same equal terms and equal conditions. That’s what true marriage equality is all about: an equality that equals reality.
I agree about supporting an equality that equals reality. Judy, unfortunately, has apparently never been to “reality.”
In summary, Suze Orman still has the upper hand here, has a lot of great advice that we’d all do well to follow, on a lot of issues, and Judy just made a fool of herself.










OMG. My head just exploded reading her silly verbiage! MAKE HER STOP!!!
So what I got from that was that if Suze is allowed to marry a woman, then Judy WON’T be allowed to marry a woman…
Wow, Satan is strong in that one (Judy)! She completely doesn’t get that heterosexual marriage is unnatural to God’s gay children. Forcing us into an unnatural heterosexual marriage to make a homophobalist feel good about her sin of homophobia is not “equality.” It’s cruel and unusual punishment.
I think Judy is jealous.
Wow, Satan is strong in this one (Judy)! Her problem is that she confuses forcing gay people into the unnatural heterosexual lifestyle with equality. For those of us born gay, that would be cruel and unusual punishment, not equality. Jesus does not want us in marriages which ultimately harm us, our spouse and any children involved despite the sad rantings of sinful homophobalists.
In the great lighting store of life, Judy Meissner can be found in the nightlight section.
The thing is, homosexuality was originally classified as an illicit action/mental disorder, but now it’s not. As far as legitimatizing other deviant behavior, all i have to say is, did TWO cover the MAP conference a couple of months ago? Scary sh**.
This has to be one of the five dumbest fundies I have encountered. This person is spectacularly stupid. Amazingly so.
The downside of the computer revolution is that dizzy dunces think they are writers.
Richard, please get help.
Originally, homosexuality was classified as a big nothing in a good portion of the world. It took sex-and-sin obsessed Christianity to make it dirty and illicit.
Funny. My company’s website has Judy’s site blocked citing “Content contains hate speech and/or intolerance.” I’m not joking!
Wingnut Richard, gayness was originally classified as a mental illness because no one ever stopped to examine if it was or not, they just went with their gut reaction and classified it that way. When people such as Evelyn Hooker in the 1950′s started asking and researching whether or not it actually was a mental illness the answer became increasingly clear that it was not. This is no different than when people believed left-handedness was evil or that identical twins were the incarnation of evil.
Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder is still in the DSM, Richard.
What is this MAP conference wingnut Richard is trying to conflate with gayness?
Here is what I don’t understand. Sure, people in the United States are legally welcome to marry someone of the opposite sex. But why would someone encourage people to get married to someone to whom they are not attracted? That sounds miserable.
M, because people like Judy Meissner, and Richard above, are unconcerned with other peoples’ misery. They are only concerned with their worldview being the only acceptable behavior in society. Another way to put it is, “You’re free to live your life anyway you want to, as long as I approve of it.” This of course illustrates what a pompous bunch of asses these guys are. Their religious arguments are a bunch of BS too, as my religion does not have a problem with marriage equality, yet only those marriages that Judy & Richard’s religion approve are to be recognized legally. More pomposity. Pathetically delusional bunch of bigots really.
M,
Religious zealots aren’t concerned with the health, safety or general welfare of people. They’re only concerned with control, conformity and obedience.
I find it very strange that Richard Wingnut spends so much time on this site.
I’m an atheist. Both fox news and aftah had releases on the MAP conference. You say that no one is trying to normalize pedophilia? it’s already started. Check out either of those sites and punch it in the search bar. F***ed up stuff, seriously. i guess TWO doesn’t feel the need to talk about the brand of liberal activism that isnt all happy and gay.
Fox News? AFTAH? Yeah, right Richard, those are both totally credible sources, NOT. More pomposity and self-aggrandizement, Richard. Haven’t you got something important to do like burning a heretic or a witch, or perhaps stoning someone who doesn’t buy into your BS – you know stuff that “good christians” do?
Historically, attraction actually paid little to no role in marriage. In the middle ages, marrying out of love was considered foolish. It was a political or economic arrangement. If there developed love then ok, but it wasn’t considered necessary.
Some fundamentalist Christian sects and movements still think that way. They practice parent-guided courtship. What ultimately counts is not chemistry, but the man’s strict adherence to the theological demands of the girl’s father.
I’ll agree with you on one thing, Richard. Fox “News” and AFTAH are really effed up stuff. But stop with the pedophilia crap. Child abuse and relationships between consenting adults are two entirely different things.
Richard either say what this MAP conference is or STFU. I’ve searched for it and the only thing I find is about psychedelic drugs so don’t give me this “press release” B.S.
And you are NOT an atheist. You just claim to be because you think it’ll give your religious obsequiousness credibility. You’re not fooling anyone liar.
That’s really funny, using Faux News and the radically anti-gay hate group AFTAH as his sources. Are we sure Richard Wing Nut isn’t like Betty Bowers–a parodist?
MAP conference….
Michigan Association of Planning?
16th Annual Members’ Attorney Program Conference?
Minstrels and Psalmists?
That’s what has come up in my Googling so far.
MAP Conference – an article that Porno Pete (AFTAH) published in August of 2011, covering “Minor Attracted Persons.” In other words, yet more Porno Pete b******t lies. It cites commentary from Matt Barber and Judith Reisman, both of whom have no credibility, respectability, nor credentials. I’m not going to provide a link to the pathetic excuse of an article, because it’s that assinine.
Richard, if this is the best you can do, you’d better hang it up – you’ve lost all of your credibility too – because of your self-important ignorance.
Somebody please, stop the world I want to get off!
jesus christ one would feel like hitting those morons over the head with a big club … but what good would it do, they obviously did that to themselves way to often anyway …
i am so sick of bible thumping idiots. come on you christian liberals, take up the fight against the dark side of your religion already, why do we, who are not even members of your “club” have to do all the work for you?
Do Judy and Richard know that the animal kingdom is rife with ‘aberrosexuality’? But then most animals *are* mentally ill sinners!
:PPP
Yes, Gary, 25 years ago the letters-to-the-editor in the local newspaper were “even animals don’t engage in homosexuality because it’s so abnormal, so why should humans”. Today the theme is “well, even IF animals do, humans should know better than to do so!”
I always suspected you can’t win with these clowns. :-)
That’s the thing Philip. They’re always moving the goalposts.
Wingnut Richard said in regards to the “minor attracted Persons” conference (thanks PJB863) “i guess TWO doesn’t feel the need to talk about the brand of liberal activism that isnt all happy and gay.”.
You’re really an a**hole and doubly so. That has nothing to do with liberalism and your insinuation that if TWO hasn’t covered it that it supports it is typical of the hatred and demonization you save for innocent gays alone. You’d never insinuate your mother or family supports the MAP conferance just because they never spoke about it and its no different with TWO. You come here pretending to be objective and then you falsely claim acceptance of gayness is tied to acceptance of pedophelia?! You really are a special kind of low-life.
I have been forced to listen to a significant amount of Fux News lately caring for a terminally ill man. He and his family have it on all of the time and I have to say, the incessant, relentless drivel, innuendo and deceit that that organization spits out hourly is breathtaking. I really had no idea how partisan their “news” is. The family is über-Mormon and of course über-Romney as well. I literally have to tune out the “news” and the family’s continuos commentary, bite my tongue and go on to another patient’s room as soon as I can, it is so bad. And the patient is practically dead.
Should be call Mind Fux News.
These morons clearly don’t understand the “equal” part of “equal protection”. All the talk about marrying children and multiple partners and pets is just incredibly inane. Nobody in America has the right to marry children or multiple partners or pets, so it is nothing but stupidity to say that some hypothetical person who wants to do those things is being discriminated against because they can’t do it.
However we live in a world where some people (i.e, men) have the right to marry women, but I don’t have that right in the state I live in. Regardless of whether I have any desire to marry a woman, the fact that I am legally prohibited from doing something that other people have the right to do freely is discriminatory. Why is this such a difficult concept for these idiots to grasp?
Paul, Fux News? Love it! That’s what it is for me from now on. Thanks.
Saying “everyone has equal right to marry, as long they marry someone of the same sex” is like saying “everyone has equal right to vote, as long as they’re white and male.”
It’s like religious freedom in Saudi Arabia. You can be any religion you want, as long as it’s Mahometan.