Former Navy Chaplain Gordon James Klingenschmitt, who claims to have performed numerous gay and lesbian exorcisms, and I debate on the David Pakman Show.
Crazy Fundie Ex-Navy Chaplain Offers Me An Exorcism On the David Pakman Show
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Wayne Besen is the Founding Executive Director of Truth Wins Out and author of “Anything But Straight: Unmasking the Scandals and Lies Behind the Ex-Gay Myth” (Haworth, 2003). In 2010, Besen was awarded the “Visionary Award” at the Out Music Awards for organizing the American Prayer Hour, an event which shined a spotlight on the role American evangelicals played in the introduction of Uganda’s Anti-Homosexuality Bill.
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Former Navy Chaplain Gordon James Klingenschmitt is a whacko. Every word that came out of his mouth is absurd! HE should be ashamed of himself for many things, but first of all for using God and Jesus as his means of ridiculous hate speech.
Exorcism is only a spell in World of Warcraft. I mean, I thought I played that game religiously :b. Some people just take it too far.
The best part of the video is to simply not look at the “chaplain” and instead just look at Wayne and his expressions.
You can see Wayne practicing self control while the other guy is speaking but his expression when the chaplain says the word “exorcism” and then again when he says the word Spitzer are priceless. he-he-he-he.
Thank you for this video I am sending it off to every single one of those Editors and Advisory Editors of the Journal Social Science Research to show them how this Regnerus Research for HATE is now being applied in the real world.
Bravo, Wayne! Everything you had to say was well-articulated and made sense to anyone. As a self-respecting athiest, it may be difficult to do, but I would suggest that the next time you have to deal with these “pseudo christians”, your best line of defense would be to throw God right back in their face. You don’t have to believe in God to do this; but if you tell them in front of world that “they do not speak for God”, you’d be hitting them where they live, and they wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. Granted, they don’t anyway, but the way he kept mentioning “Jesus, Jesus, Jesus” to substantiate his beliefs is one of the things that disgusts me to no end….and gives him credibility,to his ilk. To some of these Christians, put the name of Jesus on something, and it doesn’t matter what it is, they’ll believe it. Next time, make mention of their fraudulant interpretation of scripture and their misrepresentation of God. What you had to say was exactly right; but they’ll always be able to try and discredit it “with Jesus’ name”…and with frightening success.
This angry, radical anti-gay activist does not speak for God, does not represent God and does not decide what God thinks or does. As a Christian gay man, he is an embarrassement to the Jesus I love and who loves me back.
Maybe you should have agreed to the exorcism. My fantasy is this: he rants on for five minutes or so, you let a t remendous fart, and announce “now I feel better!”
I know it’s juvenile, but it just appeals to me.
@Ben LOL!!
Klingonshit is a dried up old turd of an individual. No wonder the Navy threw his pathetic a*s out!
Exorcisms really are complete nonsense. Just like healing. People never get demons cast out of them through prayers, just like amputees never sprout new limbs through prayers. Of course it doesn’t hurt that demons are simply an unprovable figment of the imaginations of religious crazies, does it? If it doesn’t exist in the first place, its easy to cast out!
I could start dating members of the oppisite sex. Does it make me straight? It would make “Klinger”
and his ilk happy, It would make me miserable.
Paul Douglas – couldn’t have said it better. What a load of crap this guy shovels.
@Aulton – Exorcisms is not only a spell in “World of Warcraft”, it is a Bible Christian based ritual to attempt to bring for and cast “evil spirits” from the human. It is Christian folk lore and mysticism.
Classic stuff
@Dennis same level of reality though, which is to say, none.
And I forgot, just as silly as well.
The chaplain mentioned that he “once had alcoholism” in his life. I have known a few alcoholics, and they were all unabashed, compulsive liars. It is clear that the chaplain never dealt with the issues that drove him to the bottle. He simply exchanged his alcoholism for another delusion, that of fundamentalist “Christianity,” which isn’t Christianity at all, in fact. He still refuses to live honestly in the real world; he continues to live a lie.
Chris, having alcoholism in ones life doesn’t necessarily mean that Klingenschmitt was an alcoholic. He may have been driving those around him to abuse alcohol or other substances. After viewing this video and reading up on him, my guess is that it was family members (including parents, in-laws, aunts, uncles, cousins and second cousins), clients, coworkers, neighbors, the mailman, the milkman, meter readers, bank tellers, cashiers, mechanics, bus drivers, etc., all of whom he drove to consume vast quantities of alcohol. I didn’t mention friends, because these are few – I know porno pete likes him – which is all I need to say!
This is why these Pray Away The Gay types almost never do interviews. It took Wayne all of 80 seconds (@6:14 – 7:34) to COMPLETELY DESTROY the Chaplain’s ENTIRE argument by debunking all of his ex-gay talking points. Eighty seconds.
Think about that. The ex-gay movement as we know it today has been peddling its junk science and discredited nonsense since Nixon was President, and all it took was one dreaded “gay activist” to completely destroy nearly 40 years of pretend scientific “research” in less than a minute and a half.
It’s also why the ex-gay movement has become a joke of itself. Wayne isn’t privy to any secret information. ANYBODY who’s even slightly considering ex-gay therapy could find this stuff out if they know how to use the Google. Would take them even less time to find this information than it took Wayne to destroy the Chaplain’s argument.
Wayne is to be commended for keeping this fight going and his efforts seem to be paying off in spades. It’s shocking and disheartening to see how the ex-gay movement mobilized during the W years (Youtube the Rachel segment “Pray Away The Gay, No Way!” for more info).
Yet here we are less than 10 years later. Exodus is almost bankrupt. Love In Action doesn’t do live-in camps anymore. Love Won Out is canceling seminars left and right due to poor attendance, and the only one they have scheduled is in September in Mechanicsburg, PA (i.e. Nowheresville).
In addition to that, Richard Cohen the cuddler/pillow whacker recently announced that he no longer conducts individual cuddling/pillow whacking therapy, presumably due to lack of clients. You better believe if people were lining up to participate in this type of whackjob “therapy”, Cohen would still be doing it.
NARTH’s George Rekers was caught with a rentboy, Exodus’s Alan Chambers and LIA’s John Smid have both admitted they’re still gay and have never seen ANYONE convert from gay to straight, and Marcus Bachmann became a national punchline when reports about his “Christian counseling” center were juxtaposed with his bizarre soundbytes where he compared Christian teens to “barbarians” who “need to be disciplined”.
Another gem I recently came across was Porno Pete telling David Pakman that in 20 years of working in the anti-gay movement, he’s come across 50 people who have “left the lifestyle.” Yes, that’s 50. Porno Pete sees that 50 as proof that gays can change.
In a perfect world, these anti and ex-gay groups would probably prefer to stay hidden under their respective rocks so they can continue to dupe vulnerable LGBT folks and their families out of thousands of dollars on their books, seminars, and discredited science.
It’s groups like TWO that kick these rocks over and shed some light on these con artists and their duplicitous practices for the world to see.
Hats off.
Layne, if you’re going to bring up George Rekers getting caught with a rentboy, there’s no excuse for not also bringing up the truth about his career making “experiment” that so much of the “ex-gay” movement is based on.
I never had any shame – but I wasn’t brought up in your cult.
Regards,
Reyn