The Christian Post is reporting more trouble for embattled Exodus President Alan Chambers, who made news when he told the Associated Press that the idea that one can heal homosexuals is “bizarre.”
”I do not believe that cure is a word that is applicable to really any struggle, homosexuality included,” said Chambers, who is married to a woman and has children, but speaks openly about his own sexual attraction to men. “For someone to put out a shingle and say, `I can cure homosexuality’ – that to me is as bizarre as someone saying they can cure any other common temptation or struggle that anyone faces on Planet Earth.”
Earlier in the year, Chambers told the Gay Christian Network’s Justin Lee that 99.9% of his clients do not go from gay to straight.
“The majority of people that I have met, and I would say the majority meaning 99.9% of them have not experienced a change in their orientation or have gotten to a place where they could say that they could never be tempted or are not tempted in some way or experience some level of same-sex attraction.”
Chambers’ rare bursts of honesty has many on the extreme right in full-fledged panic mode, as they see their ideology threatened or their lucrative business model in jeopardy.
The latest rat to jump ship is the excruciatingly verbose anti-gay ideologue Robert A. J. Gagnon (pictured), who is an associate professor of New Testament at the Pittsburgh Theological Seminary (Even his title makes me want to snooze). In a barely-readable, long-winded 35-page screed (This extremist never seems to get writers block) Gagnon wrote:
“Alan’s approach of providing assurances of salvation to those actively engaged in sexually immoral intercourse is a very different approach than Jesus’ and Paul’s warnings that immoral sexual behavior, among other offenses, can get one excluded from the kingdom of God and thrown into hell.”
Personally, I think that Chambers is on borrowed time. Here is what I recently wrote about the topic:
There are many “ex-gay” activists and reparative therapists who have a vested interest in keeping the scam alive. Some have profited handsomely by engaging in consumer fraud and promising a miracle cure that does not exist. Others have desperately held on to the lie that they have overcome homosexuality for ideological reasons. Exodus’ alleged new direction is a direct threat to these charlatans and zealots who now see Chambers as a heretic selling out their cause.
An Exodus revolt might already be underway. According to a recent report by Ex-Gay Watch:
Random references to groups that had left them led us to compile a detailed comparison of the current Exodus member ministry listings to that of a year ago. Previous to this, Exodus never had much churn from year to year, so losing 20 (or roughly 22%) in one year, many in recent months, is really unheard of. We can’t be certain how or why all these groups came to be delisted, but some of them have been with Exodus since almost the beginning. At least a couple seem to have shut down, perhaps due to the same forces affecting Exodus.
Interestingly, there is an odd debate circulating in some LGBT circles on how to handle the newer version of Exodus. According to an article in Religious Dispatches:
Some gay Christians may still want to try to live in accordance with conservative understandings of sexual ethics, but that path will be a lot more honest, and a lot less psychologically harmful, if they’re not expecting a full scale change in sexual orientation and are not blaming themselves or questioning the state of their souls if they fail to achieve it. Exodus’ critics—gay, Christian or otherwise—who have maintained conversation with them should be credited with helping effect this change. And they, like the rest of us, should continue to work to hold Exodus to promises of amends for harm done by their earlier positions….Exodus may be changing, as is the field of gay politics more generally. But it is only one part of a wider, and in many ways more extreme, movement. While its changes should be acknowledged and encouraged, Exodus should not be conflated with the ex-gay movement as a whole. That, too, many shift over time, but not without a fight.
Let me be clear: Truth Wins Out is dedicated to the eradication of Exodus International and every other “ex-gay” hate group. We are not looking for a conversation with them. We are not looking to “encourage” or “reform” Exodus. We are looking to put this noxious organization out of business and look forward to the day it closes its doors. After all, why would gay activists work to keep alive an organization that demeans, dehumanizes, demonizes, and sermonizes against same-sex relationships? This is an outfit that considers LGBT people sinful, sick, sexually broken, and perverse. The world has about as much need for the existence of Exodus as it does for Black Face theater. Exodus is an ugly relic of the past and is not needed in a sane society where LGBT people are treated as equals.
You know what? It is not okay to portray my beautiful, loving relationship as “sin.” Any group that does so will be vigorously opposed and challenged by Truth Wins Out. There will be no free pass given for such nasty, retrograde attitudes because it is under the banner of faith. Sure, people have the right to believe whatever they want. But we also reserve the right to criticize such religious beliefs as despicable and toxic.
It is also crucial that some in our community stop promoting the meme that “ex-gay” organizations or anti-gay Christian therapists are needed as a stepping stone to coming out for evangelical or fundamentalist Christians. There was some truth to this argument a decade ago, but now it is retrograde and anachronistic. We live in an age of Modern Family and Glee, the President supports marriage equality along with Dick Cheney and 53-percent of the American public, and even Anderson Cooper has finally come out.
Clearly, the world has changed and even the most sheltered evangelicals and fundamentalists have access to the Internet and can witness the lives and loves of healthy, happy, LGBT people. We have to stop infantilizing conservative Christians, including LGBT ones, who falsely claim that we just don’t speak their language. After following these folks for decades, I am quite fluent in their language and I often don’t like what they are saying. And it is incumbent on us to speak out and challenge these individuals and their institutions when they preach homophobia or offer “ex-gay” programs.
Finally, just because a gay person has the misfortune of being born into a fundamentalist family does not mean the individual must be put through a dysfunctional coming out process that includes mean-spirited ministries and homophobic quacks who profit by exploiting such situations. LGBT Christians deserve the same top-notch mental health care, healthy support groups, love and respect, and sound scientific and spiritual advice as anyone else. Exodus and other so-called “ex-gay” organizations or counselors are not the place where a person is going to find such help, since such programs are not genuine stepping stones, but unnecessary landmines that retard the natural coming out process.
There are those in our community, unfortunately, who will argue that there is a place for such programs if they simply reform. I would strongly argue that such poor advice usually comes from those who have yet to fully shed their own shame from their evangelical past. I would suggest that such people get the professional help that they need to raise their level of self-esteem and self-respect.
Here are three things that Truth Wins Out would like to see:
1) Reparative therapy banned for minors in 50 states
2) Alan Chambers dusts off his resume and gets a real job, as Exodus closes its doors
3) Numerous lawsuits filed against “ex-gay” programs that have harmed their victims
The position of Truth Wins Out is reasonable, rational, and rather moderate. We believe that LGBT people are fine just the way they are and that you cannot pray away the gay. Any individual, religious group, quack therapist, or program that claims otherwise is biased and potentially committing consumer fraud. TWO will not hesitate to explicitly tell the truth about this issue, whether it is to the Religious Right or to LGBT activists who support the existence of these entities as a result of lingering internalized homophobia.










Well said!
Thank you Paul, much appreciated.
I wanted to stand up and cheer, but particularly at this:
“You know what? It is not okay to portray my beautiful, loving relationship as “sin.””
I used to want to dialogue with conservative Christians, including ex-gays. I lost my desire to when I moved in with my wife, got married, and realized exactly what they were threatening. I hope Alan Chambers and others have a good next chapter in their lives, but I hope that next chapter comes quickly.
Concise and to the point. Well written, Wayne.
Wayne, you called it. Not at all surprised that this particularly unpleasant person is leading the charge. He has been especially bitter and nasty since his own denomination, the PCUSA, ignored his call for banning GLBT pastors a couple of years back, and he has only double downed on the nastiness. Oddly, he sincerely does not seem to realize it hurts his own cause when he speaks/writes as he does.
Thanks for standing up for us Wayne. Sometimes, we need to be reminded of the obvious. We are right. They are wrong. They hurt people, and we need to work to see that no more gay people get hurt. Again, thanks.
Exactly GreenEyedLilo, as long as they call the most beautiful thing in my life something ugly, what’s left to talk about? The weather?
I simply will not turn the other cheek when my love is called sin, when the real sin is homophobia. That should be the message of the LGBT community. We should never bow down and let a religious group and their followers demean our lives and our loves.
Gene — Gagnon is even more obsessed than Porno Pete. Where Porno Pete writes pithy and amusing blog posts and tweets, Gagnon writes volumes of work on homosexuality. I wouldn’t be shocked if he has written a page for each gay person alive.
In my view he comes across as profoundly disturbed and obsessed with the issue. He needs professional help, in my opinion.
Way to go Wayne, you nailed it! So nice to see someone take a rational stance that isn’t influenced by internalized homophobia like with some bloggers who say they are okay with Exodus’s anti-gay activities as long as they don’t tell people they can change orientation.
Yes – Exodus is on its way out, and Alan Chambers is unwittingly working to close it down.
I am utterly fascinated by Dr. Rob Gagnon. He is deserving of a full psychological evaluation and hopefully an explanation for why he is so fixated on gay men.
Priya:
Unfortunately, there is this bizarre dialogue that has developed by some LGBT bloggers and others, where they seem to be co-dependent on Exodus existence, or at least on the existence of Christian counselors who assist gay people in holding on to self-destructive doctrine. Such assaults on the mental health of LGBT individuals is justified by religious faith. Of course, we all know that one can leave abusive faiths, instead on fighting in vain to mollify the religion-based bigotry.
If you break down the rhetoric of some LGBT activists/bloggers it is really unctuous, insincere, and tinged with self-loathing by people who fancy themselves out, but are still encumbered by their religious upbringing.
What separates a child from an adult is the ability to forge one’s own course in life. Just because we were raised with certain bad ideas, gives us no obligation to defend them into adulthood. Sadly, some people seem hopelessly shackled to the past, thus remain in this creepy and peculiar dance with Exodus.
I have no desire to be friends with Alan Chambers. I want him to get a real job and stop harming my community. I make no apology for such a reasonable position.
Since Exodus admits their program is a fraud, why are the doors still open? At the moment, the group has no point except to serve as a jobs program for Mr. Chambers.
And again , why can’t you let people live in peace who don’t want to be gay. It’s a free world and adults should be able to decide how they want to live.
“It’s a free world and adults should be able to decide how they want to live.”
If only you and others like you would take your own advice, hannah. The only reason people don’t want to be gay is because deep down, you lot don’t believe the last part of what you said, and would rather decide how people want to live for them.
Well, hannah, you are asking a loaded question. According to Alan Chambers and John Smid, you can’t decide whether you are gay. Therefore, deciding you don’t want to be gay is as futile as deciding you don’t want to have red hair or brown eyes.
So, it is our moral obligation to ensure that people know that anyone who is making false promises or selling a program doomed to failure is playing them for a sucker.
Furthermore, what exactly do you mean when you write, “why can’t you let people live in peace.” People are free and will remain free to harm themselves in any way they see fit, including those who are made to feel so ashamed that they drag themselves into Exodus.
I think you are confusing the victims (the LGBT community) with the victimizer, which is Exodus. It is Exodus who has attacked my family and called it sexually broken and perverse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=556j8cucFCs
Get your facts straight.
Hannah said ” why can’t you let people live in peace who don’t want to be gay. It’s a free world and adults should be able to decide how they want to live.”.
The American psychiatric association says gays who positively accept their orientation are happier and better adjusted than those who do not. Despite that no one is preventing self-loathing gays from harming themselves by suppressing their sexuality. What we object to is these people trying to convince others they should follow their self-destructive path and because gays could follow such a path they don’t deserve equal rights. Ultimately it is your anti-gay side that is preventing people from living as they want to. It is your side that won’t let self-accepting gays live in peace with equal rights.
Hannah, if someone was selling ineffective and/or dangerous drugs I would speak out as well. This isn’t a matter of “free speach”–it’s a matter of malpractice.
Gagnon will reply to you with 6K words and the bottom line will be that you are wrong because Paul was talking to you in the first century. He KNOWS that. Read his commentaries and you will see lots of: clearly, no doubt, obviously, evidently. To him, maybe. But if the number of Christians that DO NOT read it his way is increasing, then maybe it is not: clearly, no doubt, obviously, evidently.
I would HATE to be married to this man. He over reacts to every criticism and thought that he does not agree with.
“Honey, would you like imitation butter or real butter on your toast?” would become a breakfast diatribe. I would return at dinner time and know for sure why I never should have even asked the question and the clearly, evidently, obviously and no doubt the answer was to be ______.
These legalist drive me crazy even in friendships. They suck the joy out of life and live in fear.
Oh, and happy birthday Wayne.
Hannah, you’re back with the same complaint. and the same answers.
This is what Rosa Parks had to say about the consent of silence: “It’s not that I was fed up (that day). I was fed up all my life, as far back as I can remember, with being treated as less than a free person . . . as long as we continued to comply with these rules and regulations that kept us crushed down as a people, then the power structure would always say: ‘Well, they are not complaining, and they accept this, so they are satisfied with it.’”
I would re-phrase that for gay people. “I have been fed up all my life, as far back as I can remember, with being treated as less than a whole person, as not good enough, not citizen enough, not human enough, to allow me the simple dignity and respect of living my life in peace. Well, actually they will allow that, as long as I don’t demand equality before the law — or respect, or dignity, or to live my life in peace.”
Does that FINALLY answer your question? Or are oyu yet another one hwo is trying to change from gay to straight, not having any success, and trying to blame us for your lack of change?
Here’s a more practical suggestion for you. If you don’t want to have gay sex and think it ‘s bad, then simply DON’T HAVE IT. No therapy or Jesus necessary, the same way I don’t have ice cream in the house 99% of the time– BECAUSE I’LL EAT IT.
Be celibate, and fill your life with something besides an obsession iwth sex that you think is wrong, and theoretically aren’t having. Becuase if oyu are having it, you are simply the living negation of what you’re claiming.
Hear, hear!
Ben in Oakland, I could kiss you!
What you said to Hannah, AND the quote from Rosa Parks should be all Hannah needs to realize what an inconsiderate and ridiculous statement she made.
HANNAH, reality check.
That is not a statement you make to GAY PEOPLE.
That is what the ex gay industry and any straight person who argues that gay people have a choice and can and should change need to know.
Gay people didn’t bring this fight, it’s the centuries old standards that homosexuality is a pathology to be eradicated and on condition of one’s equal rights and freedoms.
A quiet, unquestioning and complacent gay person is someone that Exodus can profit from.
It’s a gay person that would still be subject to arrest, discrimination and denial of anything else that makes them self determined and independent if someone didn’t rise up and challenge people in Exodus, NARTH and AFTAH and NOM, FRC and so on.
These are people who have the ear of influential politicians, and clergy.
I find people like Alan Chambers extremely WEAK in character.
They couldn’t cut is as gay people. It’s tougher to be gay in this world.
I get that, because I’m a black woman. It’s tougher to be a woman. It’s harder to be black.
But I’ll be DAMNED and you will too, if anyone says to you or me that we should just sit down and take it.
Leave those who don’t want to stand up against Exodus, in peace.
Not say anything to those who decided they couldn’t handle being a gay person.
Well, Hannah…if you don’t want to be in the trenches with the gay folks who are fighting and challenging Exodus’s b******t, that’s one thing. Admit you don’t have the stuff for it and YOU go live in peace with your choice.
But one thing that truly sets me off about ex gays is their constant need to be validated, cheered and supported for essentially being WEAK and cowed.
And complaining about being silenced when trying to reinforce getting that approval.
Once again, I have to say, that it’s the Christian idealizing heterosexuality, and demonizing gay people that’s had the floor for centuries and won’t give any time to what gay people have to say.
It’s arrogant, tiresome and rude. Because that message NEVER changes, and only grows in hyperbole, hysteria and lacking in evidence.
Whereas, the gay person free to be open, honest and informative, is a very new and vital aspect in comparison.
So it’s not about being silenced, but being told that you’ve had your turn, and it’s someone ELSE’S turn to speak for themselves.
Exodus has spent decades along with other people who represent anti gay sentiment, like Tony Perkins, who act as if more intimately knowlegdable about gay people and their intentions.
And will lie by any means necessary.
So, Alan Chambers is simply too much of a wuss to challenge people like Tony Perkins.
And nobody has time to be weak, nor restrain themselves because perhaps you, or Alan Chambers can’t handle it.
As a Christian gay man, I see no reason for “ex-gay” groups to continue making some rich and harming God’s gay children in the process. If a gay person of faith feels that he/she should be celibate, that is between that person and God. They don’t need to subsidize paid “ex-gay” professionals in order to have a relationship with God.
Yep, time to take up the cudgel and go after these people, and stop merely defending ourselves against their mush. They state God-awful mush, and we react. Time to throw the ball right back at them in this game of dodge-ball they want to play. Thanks for your good works.
I ran across this website in tonight’s NYTimes article (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/07/us/a-leaders-renunciation-of-ex-gay-tenets-causes-a-schism.html?hp) — and I’m thinking that someone should contact the NYT editors for a wee correction. The article says “Truth Wins Out, a group that refutes what it considers misinformation about gays and lesbians.”
What IT considers misinformation??? You mean, what TWO and the vast majority (“and I mean 99.9%”…) of psychiatrists consider to be misinformation.
It’s an odd choice by the NYT, no?
The French classicist/philologist Jean-Fabrice Nadelli, who is more of an expert on homosexuality in ancient history and classical literature, has recently exposed Gagnon’s scholarship and argumentation for what it is: worthless.
There is a lot more to come from him.
Here is link to two of his online posts about Gagnon:
http://remnantofgiants.wordpress.com/2011/08/31/a-response-to-gagnon-witherington-from-jean-fabrice-nardelli/
http://remnantofgiants.wordpress.com/2011/08/31/a-response-to-gagnon-witherington-from-jean-fabrice-nardelli/
No more mincing! Gagnon is an inaccurate and poor student of Biblical homosexuality
The other one:
http://remnantofgiants.wordpress.com/2011/09/05/jean-fabrice-nardelli-corrects-robert-gagnon/
I think that your point 3 that you would like to see would be very effective:
3) Numerous lawsuits filed against “ex-gay” programs that have harmed their victims
Money talks. Victims, come forth!
WOW! I had this article saved in my computer for several days before reading it.
Wayne, you skewered Exodus beautifully, as did many of the commenters. You all gave it to Hannah, too. I can’t add any more.
What a beautiful site TWO is where we can freely speak our minds and the only consequence is disapproval from a nut like Hannah.
From a Classicist/Philologist
“Time has come to conclude and leave aside the duty of impartiality which it was often times found difficult to adhere to in the face of the detailed evidence for our author’s [Gagnon's] crass academic and scientific dishonesty in the making of his book, but which nonetheless had to observed.
The Bible and Homosexual Practice is a quite a slippery target to criticize, despite its documentary flaws and outrageous claims, for
Gagnon never grants anything that does not square with his conservative methodology, thus putting those who disagree with him in an uncomfortable position. If they multiply rebuttals over minutiae, they are bound to produce, in the average reader,
the feeling that but for these blunders, the book basically stands, which could not be more wrong-headed; and if these critics fault the author for indulging in ideology driven special pleading at odds with the critical method in Bible studies that rightly dominates the more academically-minded studies of Scripture, all Gagnon will have
to do is ignore this charge as stemming from a ‘liberal’ viewpoint.”
There exists no middle ground between bowing down to Gagnon and stepping up as the sneering,scholarly onlooker who deems himself capable of proving that, eleven years after, at a times when America looks torn between twin extremes of acceptation and outright demonization, most provocatively advocated by Lady Gaga and Fred Phelps (of the Westboro Baptist Church), The Bible and Homosexual Practice is moot. As Queer scholars or ‘liberal’ exegetes, we have a duty towards students and the GBLT
community who needs guidance rooted in sound interpretation of the Scripture, not
to wallow in a pity party around such a detestable pile of junk.
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