The California Assembly voted 52 to 21 to pass a much-anticipated bill to protect sexual minorities from practitioners that seek to change one’s sexual orientation. All leading medical and mental health organizations call such efforts futile and dangerous. The bill will go back to the Senate to reconcile with the Assembly version before landing on Governor Jerry Brown’s desk.
We strongly urge Gov. Jerry Brown to sign this bill into law so the quacks can no longer abuse the kids. Each day that goes by without this bill becoming law is another opportunity for damaging therapy to psychologically scar LGBT youth. Please sign this petition to Gov. Brown today!
SIGN PETITION NOW
Can I still sign if I’m not an American citizen and don’t live in the USA?
Yes, anyone can sign this petition. the more people, the better.
Ta. OK, I’ve signed it.
I’m organizing civil disobedience on this already. Will put together initiation groups featuring heterosexual teleology.
—Mark Miner
@ Mark Miner:
Meaning what exactly?
William, what Mark means is “Look at me, I’m so smart, please tell me you think so too.”
Mark also wants to psychologically torture gay teenagers.
Priya was right William…but basicly Mark Miners comment was not just someone trying to look smart (and failing) by using a larger word than needed, it was one of the blasts of a dying breed of animal…always interesting to hear, and more confirmation of that Tipping point this sites operator sometimes refers to.
People who inflict “ex-gay” programs and “conversion therapy” on gay teenagers are as bad as paedophilic abusers, because they are liable to cause exactly the same kind of long-term psychological damage as the latter. As far as I am concerned, they need horsewhipping.
I don’t mean to impose the tortures of the higher pedantry on those who are not interested, but Telemachos/Peisistratus relationship turns up in Gagnon’s latest
http://www.robgagnon.net/articles/homosexNardelliResponse.pdf
(He doesn’t care for it, but the tradition constrains him!)
William Percy’s website has a wonderful article on Achilles and Patroclos, which discusses Telemachos and Peisistratos:
http://www.williamapercy.com/wiki/images/Achilles_and_Patroclus_in_Love.pdf
and the relationship is given a lush fanfic treatment here:
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4011663/3/From_Darkness
For some minds, the citation of three references might be confusion and torture. Other minds might find them a trail of bread-crumbs leading to a better place…
My concluding point is that NONE of this homosexual adventuring with Peisistratus would have been thought by the Greeks to have ANY negative impact on Telemachos ability to have, later in life, at its due time, a proper wife and family. The “homosexual identity” construct that we have, and think with, here in America, was simply not part of their world-view.
—Mark Miner
The big words don’t make you look smart Mark and they don’t mask your desire to psychologically torture minors.
Mark all the B.S. you post just makes it clear what a low self-esteem blowhard you are.
Mark Miner – 0
Wayne’s Flying Monkeys – 1
You guys win! ;)
Now back to recording Iphigenia in Aulis in Greek, in which Agamemnon has to sacrifice his daughter to Artemis. Your thoughts on this famous play by Euripides would be appreciated.
—Mark
Mark your desperate need to feel smart betrays how little you really think of yourself.
Ought such therapy be banned because it can’t be done or because it is wrong? If it could be successfully done–should it be allowed?
e.g. If it is possible to use surgeries and hormones to change one’s body from male to female–should it be allowed?
If a person wants to explore their sexual attractions with a therapist ought they be permitted to do so?
Does anyone really want to go down this road of State legislatures dictating the ideas and topics a therapist might address with their client??
This is not complicated Melinda. It’s banned for minors because it causes observable harm. Adults are still allowed to waste their time and money.
Melinda, minors aren’t allowed to have sex changes, this is not a double standard, its the same standard.
Melinda Nelson, it’s not successfully done and it’s dangerous. I also don’t think we should subject children to any other useless and dangerous forms of therapy or medication. I think it’s perfectly reasonable that state legislatures make inneffective, dangerous and fraudulent “therapies” illegal. Just as inneffective, dangerous and fraudulent medications should be illegal. Comparing it to sex reassignment is disingenuous.
Melinda — your third and fourth paragraphs contradict each other.
@ Mark Miner
Also presumably NONE of this homosexual adventuring with Peisistratus would have been thought by the Greeks to indicate ANY need to inflict on Telemachos a fraudulent and abusive “ex-gay” or “conversion therapy” program for “unwanted same-sex attractions”.
Mr. Milner
heterosexual teleology implies a design and purpose behind human sexuality.
A laughable position.
Anytime I hear someone talking about teleology as though it were a real thing I know I’m dealing with an idiot.
@ Daniel. Why is comparing reassignment of thoughts to reassignment of bodies disingenuous.
Other than that–@RPhoenix and Priya I receive your point re: minors 101%. I was wrong.
Melinda, sex reassignment surgery has been proven to benefit people with gender dysphoria. Reperative therapy has never been proven to help anyone. Quite the opposite.
Melinda asked “Why is comparing reassignment of thoughts to reassignment of bodies disingenuous.”.
One works and the other doesn’t. The vast majority of people who have sex changes are happy with the results and much happier in general after the surgery. The American Psychological Association notes that those who positively accept their sexual orientation are happier and better adjusted than those who don’t. Attempts to change the nature of a person’s mind are ineffective and often result in harm including depression, drug and alcohol use, and suicide. Those are the same symptoms a transgendered person may experience if they DON’T have sex reassingment surgery.
Signed the petition. Hope GOv. Brown will sign it into law.
Finally it is over.
“The University of Texas at Austin has determined that no formal investigation is warranted into the allegations of scientific misconduct lodged against associate professor Mark Regnerus regarding his July article in the journal Social Science Research.”
http://www.utexas.edu/news/2012/08/29/regnerus_scientific_misconduct_inquiry_completed/
As with Texas, hopefully California will move away from an anti-science, anti-patient rights stance and allow people to receive the therapy and counseling they desire.
Jeremiah, how is allowing the psychological torture of minors with discredited therapy “pro-science” or “pro-patient”?
Honesty just has no place in your activism, does it Jeremiah.
The scientific position is that sexual orientation cannot be changed and efforts to do so are frequently harmful. The scientific position is that those who positively accept their sexual orientation are happier and better adjusted than those who do not.
Just as the government rightfully bans ineffective and harmful products making fraudulent claims it is the government’s duty to ban the sale of services that claim to change sexual orientation. No person seeking this fraudulent product actually desires a change in sexual orientation, what they want is freedom from the stigma and discrimination people like you force on them for being who they are – attempts to change orientation aren’t an end in themselves, they’re a wishful means to an end, that end being an end to the bigotry of a*holes like you.
Nice try JeremiahA. But you obviously aren’t very bright or you are spinning reality. Which one is it?
I’m sure you must know that there was a review at the journal that published the study. The reviewer, Sherkat, claimed the presentation of data was “extremely misleading.”
http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/controversial-gay-parenting-study-is-severely-flawed-journals-audit-finds/30255
An excerpt:
Sherkat, however, called the presentation of the data “extremely misleading.” Writes Sherkat: “Reviewers uniformly downplayed or ignored the fact that the study did not examine children of identifiably gay and lesbian parents, and none of the reviewers noticed that the marketing-research data were inappropriate for a top-tier social-scientific journal.”
So, Jeremiah — you can save your victory speech because the study was a fraud and proven to be so. So-called “ex-gay” therapy will be banned for minors because it is child abuse. Stop defending abusers, its unbecoming.
Actually, wayne, Jeremiah is very bright. I have to give him that. but he is also spinning and spinning and spinning, because that’s what he does. i got him to back off, once. but he doesn’t really care.
JeremiahA, the validity or otherwise of Mark Regnerus’s study is a completely separate issue, which has no bearing whatever on the matter of banning the infliction on minors of fraudulent and abusive “therapy” for a non-illness.
Actually from what I’ve seen of Jeremiah he’s willfully stupid. He knows what he’s saying is wrong and he’s lying but he tries to pretend he doesn’t know that.
But priya, that’s not stupid, that’s SMART! How else do you propose that he can convince people of anything?
Ben, the only people he convinces of anything are people who are already bigots.
of course.