Porno Pete LaBarbera is in a swivet about this video, where Exodus’ Alan Chambers apologizes for misleading people with slogans like “Change is Possible.”
According to Porno Pete’s tantrum:
“Words cannot express my disappointment in Exodus International President Alan Chambers’ “exodus” from biblical truth on homosexuality…Poor Alan is way beyond his pay grade here: imagine heading up an “ex-gay” umbrella group — which is how Exodus once described itself — and apologizing to unrepentant homosexuals for the simple slogan “Change is possible.”
Well, Porno Pete, at least Alan is getting paid. Last we heard, you working at a coffeehouse to pay the bills and for your porn magazines and leather gear so you could go undercover to the tubs.
Shame. Substitute another sexual sin (say, pornography) for homosexuality (“sexual orientation”) – and Chambers’ “apology” makes no sense at all. (For that matter, would anyone take a “Porn-using Christians Network”–or the “Christian Lusters Network”–seriously?) Sad but true: these days when Christians ”dialogue” with homosexual activists, as Chambers often does, it is usually the Christians who bend toward the world (sin) rather than vice versa. Stay tuned for more on the stunning story of Exodus’ and Chambers’ break with historic Christian teaching on the Bible and homosexuality.
I thought Porno Pete was the emperor of the “Porn-using Christians Network.” I’m confused.
You know what, Porno Pete has no shame and is simply bending the truth. He is the last person in America who can talk credibly about so-called “ex-gays.” This is the same dude who held press conferences with John Paulk, Wade Richards, and Michael Johnston — all of whom have come out (Richards) or been scandalized (Paulk and Johnston). It is fair to say that Porno Pete is full of it and simply has no relationship with reality. His own failed past with “ex-gays” speaks infinitely louder than his bogus claims that such programs work. Here is a video to remind this phony how he swore to America that Michael Johnston had transformed — when he was actually hosting orgies.
Alan Chambers told the truth about the likelihood of change. I have my differences with him, but in this case Chambers should be applauded for his honesty — particualrly when he knew it would lead to vicious attacks by zealots like Porno Pete.
Update: PFOX defends Porno Pete. Here is what these clowns said:
Gay militant smears AFTAH, again: Less than 24 ours (sic)after we posted the article and video below about Exodus International’s tragic embrace of “gay Christianity” [click HERE], AFTAH founder Peter LaBarbera was attacked by notorious homosexual militant Wayne Besen (who came up with the hateful smear “Porno Pete”): see Besen’s lie-filled “report”
Thanks for the comic relief PFOX!










Here’s my take on Porno Pete’s feigned outrage:
http://youtu.be/P1sl_NOOK-U?t=9s
‘Substitute another sexual sin (say, pornography) for homosexuality (“sexual orientation”) – and Chambers’ “apology” makes no sense at all.’
Whatever one’s views may be on pornography, viewing pornography is something that a person DOES. He, of all people, should know all about that. Homosexuality (or heterosexuality) is part of who a person IS. This singularly inept analogy demonstrates to my satisfaction Porno Pete’s limited intelligence.
The greatest thing would be for a final settlement on definitions for heterosexuality, homosexuality, and so on. Is it simply the sexual attraction? Is it the behavior? Is it the identity? Is it the lifestyle? Activists often seem to be speaking past each other.
Jeremiah, the only people disagreeing on the definition of sexual orientation are anti-gay bigots trying to justify themeselves.
This is “the false unconditional eternal security of the believer” teaching, the “once saved always saved no matter what I do” doctrine. Some of those who teach unconditional security do say that a believer who lives in deliberate sin has no fellowship with God, but they still go to heaven – no matter what. The believer is responsible to live in holiness with which no man shall see the Lord. This man is saying that not only do active gays go to heaven, but have fellowship with Christ as much as anyone else. He only proves that anyone can backslide and be lost, not only to fellowship but lost eternally.
I just looked in my bible.
John 3:16.
No asterisk.
Bob Lyle, Ben in Oakland just canned your argument, but, just for good measure, and for your own good, you need to look into finding a better quality church. If you intend to remain as a believer, find a denomination that is not full of literalism and the bigotry that you church has appearantly taught you.
Look at one of several, each of which, by its actions and theology, shows itself better than the one that taught you. The Presbyterians (USA) The Episcopalians, The United Church of Christ or the Evanglical Lutherans. If you plan on staying in a conservative denomination, you will be pleasantly surprised at the number of congregations (Even in groups like the Southern Baptists) that are GBLT welcoming and supportive because of their superior understaning of theology.
Now, all that said for your benefit, I’ll just ask. When we have science, AND faith, properly understood, on our side, and the oldest and most educated denominations in America with us, and most importaantly, God, why would we listen to your nonsense?
Yes, Jeremiah. We need to call a special meeting at the UN or Rome with gay and anti-gay activists. We will sit at huge round table in a swanky building with marble columns to create a definition of sexual orientation. Then we will write a manifesto to tell the world how to think and live because a few confused, lost souls, such as yourself, are too dense to figure out who you really are.
Did you ever think that maybe you have the problem with sexual hangups and not society? The rest of us don’t need a great activist Council to inform us of whom we are interested in and fall in love with, what we enjoy sexually, and who we are as human beings.
May I humbly suggest that if you are so insecure and your soul is so empty that you need people to impose a definition of sexual orientation on you — maybe you might want to explore a new religion or make an appointment with a professional counselor?
Whatever faith you now cling to has clearly failed you and left you, presumably an adult, without the faculties to think for yourself or be in touch with your feelings. I find your post rather pathetic and a touch sad. I couldn’t imagine going into adulthood with basic Sexuality 101 issues that should have been resolved in adolescence.
Jeremiah — your version of religion has horribly stunted your growth and psycho-sexual development. Consider taking concrete steps towards basic self-awareness. It will change your life for the better.
Jeremiah:
The generally accepted definitions are:
heterosexuality = being sexually attracted to people of the other sex
homosexuality = being sexually attracted to people of the same sex
In other words these terms refer to people’s sexual ATTRACTIONS, otherwise called their sexual ORIENTATION.
Other definitions are possible, e.g. involving behaviour, “identity” or “lifestyle”, but these have been invented solely to enable one to dodge dishonestly from one meaning to another in the course of an argument. Such games of semantic card-sharping are frequently employed by those who peddle the “ex-gay” fraud.
Jeremiah, I don’t know anyone who is confused about the definition of heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, etc… except maybe you.
Which really makes me wonder.
Bigots like Jeremiah pretend the meaning of sexual orientation isn’t clear because they want to pretend there really isn’t a definable minority group being oppressed.
Call me stupid, but if one is no longer homosexual (no, Idon’t believe in the “ex-gay” nonsense) wouldn’t that make them heterosexual and not “ex-gay”?
“…wouldn’t that make them heterosexual…?”
Well, not necessarily. It could make them bi-sexual or even asexual, although I’ve never heard any “ex-gays” so describe themselves. But your point is absolutely valid. I’ve never yet heard anyone say that their religion is ex-Catholic, ex-Presbyterian, ex-Muslim, ex-atheist or ex-anything else. If asked my age, I don’t say that I’m an ex-ten-year-old. If asked my job, I don’t say that I’m an ex-student. “Ex-gays” are the only group of people I know of who describe themselves in terms of how they used to be but are (allegedly) no longer.
@ Jeremiah,
I know of no one that doesn’t regard homosexuality as a PREFERENCE for same sex partners and/or romance. Actions have NOTHING to do with it. Is a man who chooses not to have sex but desires women less heterosexual than a man who has sex? No. Is a man who lets a guy s*ck his d*ck but desires women less heterosexual than a man who has no sex? No. It’s desire that determines whether you are homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual, and only desire. Action is entirely optional.
Further, even Lord Christ recognized that, thus his famous biblical quote: “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” (Matthew 5:28)
Sexual preference is entirely determined by desire.
Regards,
Reyn
Being an ex-gay seems a bit like being an ex-president. I imagine that ex-presidents are still thoroughly attracted to the presidency, and would love to still be engaging in presidential behavior, but society has thrown obstacles in their path whereby it’s unacceptable to spend more than eight years in the fabulous presidential lifestyle.
William and Reyn, thank you for those cogent and even-keeled responses. The complete lack of vitriol and hostility was greatly appreciated and points to the ability of people to engage in dialogue on the topic of sexual orientation rather than simply react by exchanging diatribes and broadside attacks.
Thanks again!
So Jeremiah, you’re allowed to dish out any kind of attack and insult you can think of but we’re supposed to just take it like good little inferiors? Typical bigot’s double-standard.
Just one clarification on LaBarbera’s working at a coffeehouse:
In a tweet some months ago, LaBarbera tweeted something to the effect of “Working at Starbuck’s is great because you get to hear good music.” He later clarified that he was not working for Starbuck’s but rather was doing his work at Starbuck’s. Whether this is true or not, who can say? But he does deny working there. On the upside, at least we know that LaBarbera, by patronizing Starbuck’s, supports gay marriage.
I read ignorance in Jeremiah’s comment, not hostility. Did he say something bigoted elsewhere?
Yes, Michael. He drops in occasionally to say bigoted things or things so stupid that he would have had to have gotten kicked in the head by a mule as a youngster.
So, yeah, he’s an Internet troll.
It’s quite amazing to see the boundless fatuousness and determined self deception of you who rationalize perversion. Your facility with fallacies is relentless. You actually believe that one man’s admission of failure somehow proves he is wrong. It’s hysterical!
So evangelical ministries that don’t get 100% saved are liars and hypocrites too?
I was raised an ultra leftist atheists and accepted CHRIST after two yrs of study trying to disprove HIM and HIS word. I didn’t accept ANY doctrine until I had personally checked it. I weaseled my way into the on stage choir of the #1 biggest healing ministry when they visited St Louis to see if healing was real. I read books attacking the ministry and L read books defending it with medical record supported testimonies. But I had to see for myself. I was extremely skeptical and critical and yet I ended up in tears repenting because I saw undeniable healing that was IMPOSSIBLE. And a skeptic surgeon I knew who did the work wept too.
BUT guess what??? Not everyone was healed! So I guess it’s all just a big hoax. You can like it or lump it but perversion is a choice and demon driven and ANYONE can be set free IF they seek and believe. uncounted thousands have been. But just like the millions who have been set free from booze and drugs…some will return like dogs to vomit. and that proves….NOTHING! Except that people are flawed, and selfish, and so what.
There is no debate on the science of perversion. It violates the design of humans and Natural Law.
The science that PROVES that homosexuality is bad in every way is indisputable.
The science supporting it is nonexistent.
And not a single word in the bible OT or NT can be used to honestly support the this or any other perversion or sin.
It will be far less bad to be a person who has fallen into a sin, and cried out and sought GOD and fallen again than it will be for the fools who try and convince others it is not sin. GOD has made it clear that those who intentionally lie are going to hell. Those who put stumbling blocks are doing even more evil.
If you think the imperfections of those who hold up GOD’s standard somehow disproves GOD’s standard you are ignorant of the lives of all who have ever served h HIM. For only one was sinless and perfect.
If you really knew HIM you’d know that already…
Unfortunately, Mitch, evangelical healing ministries do not heal anyone of any real illness. As for homosexuality, they can’t heal that for the same reason that they can’t heal heterosexuality: you can’t heal a non-illness. It’s impossible by definition.
By the way, which is the “the #1 biggest healing ministry”? I’d be interested to know.
Mitch:
Please get help. They have doctors who can assist people like you.
Hey Mitch, how many amputees did you witness being healed?
Let me get this straight.
it is possible to change someone’s sex, but not their sexual orientation.
Actually, Michael, it is possible to change someone’s sex, but not their orientation. You are correct.
Mitch, If you put so much stock in faith healing, I suggest you seek out and watch Derren Brown’s TV special on the tricks these ‘healers’ use to dupe the desperate.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/tvandradioblog/2011/apr/19/derren-brown-faith-healers
He took a average Joe (a scuba diving instructor) and taught him the tricks of the trade, who then managed to convince several audiences of his “healing power from God”.
Nothing but a money-spinning con. They are selling snake-oil, and you are a fool for buying into it.
And its’ not so good for the snakes.
Quoting a Mr. M.E.: “Let me get this straight.
it is possible to change someone’s sex, but not their sexual orientation.”
…just food for thought ;)
Watching people like ‘Mitch’ go into seizures over any ‘attack against their faith’ while the rest of us wonder how long he’s been off his medication is just… well, actually it’s kinda funny.
Hey Mitch! I don’t believe for one minute that you were a “leftist” or an atheist – not with that poor grammar and lack of logic. Why don’t you get back on your meds, okay? The adults are talking right now.
Hey Mitch,
I was a christian for almost 40 years. If you can explain to me why god hates amputees so much that he never heals them, I might reconsider my deconversion.