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	<title>Comments on: MN Abp. Nienstedt To Mother of Gay Child: Accept Anti-Gay Church Teaching or Risk Your Salvation</title>
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	<description>Fighting antigay lies and the ex-gay myth</description>
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		<title>By: Truth Wins Out - Maryland Anti-Marriage Campaign Jumps Aboard the &#8216;Ex-Gay&#8217; Bandwagon</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/10/30335/comment-page-1/#comment-79841</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth Wins Out - Maryland Anti-Marriage Campaign Jumps Aboard the &#8216;Ex-Gay&#8217; Bandwagon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] their extremist rhetoric puts them in the company of notorious anti-gay extremists like Archbishop John Nienstedt, Australian Salvation Army Major Andrew Craibe, and the Westboro Baptist [...] ]]></description>
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		<title>By: Women&#8217;s Press &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Archbishop Damning Gay Kid’s Mom to Hell by Steve Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Women&#8217;s Press &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Archbishop Damning Gay Kid’s Mom to Hell by Steve Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Niensted’s reply, a copy of which you can see here, he [...] ]]></description>
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		<title>By: Stuart McDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems there&#039;s lots of so-called Christians nowadays telling parents they should reject their gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender children. I believe the 10 Commandments originally came from God, including the duty to honor one&#039;s parents, but there&#039;s a necessarily implied reciprocal commitment of parents to their children. When a parent rejects a child for being LGBT, that parent forever forfeits all rights under that Commandment -- and the child is forever relieved of all obligations to that parent under that Commandment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems there&#8217;s lots of so-called Christians nowadays telling parents they should reject their gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender children. I believe the 10 Commandments originally came from God, including the duty to honor one&#8217;s parents, but there&#8217;s a necessarily implied reciprocal commitment of parents to their children. When a parent rejects a child for being LGBT, that parent forever forfeits all rights under that Commandment &#8212; and the child is forever relieved of all obligations to that parent under that Commandment.</p>
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		<title>By: Homophobia And A Burst of Swearing — The Good Men Project</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/10/30335/comment-page-1/#comment-79838</link>
		<dc:creator>Homophobia And A Burst of Swearing — The Good Men Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 01:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Archbishop John Nienstedt believes that Jesus taught that a mother should reject her gay son or she&#8217;s no longer a [...] ]]></description>
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		<title>By: Archbishop Damning Gay Kid's Mom to Hell &#124; Care2 Causes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Archbishop Damning Gay Kid's Mom to Hell &#124; Care2 Causes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/10/30335/comment-page-1/#comment-79836</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 00:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Imagine you had a good friend, maybe one you&#039;d known all your life. 

Imagine that one day you find your friend making horrible racist remarks towards someone else you care about. 

You protest, saying that&#039;s not a decent way to act, and they tell you that if you don&#039;t hate black people, you shouldn&#039;t consider them your friend. 

Now that&#039;s a lot of things, and none of them nice in the least... but it&#039;s not bullying. 

Your friend can&#039;t bully you, because he has renounced all his leverage over you. If he&#039;s that committed to racial hatred, then his friendship is *already* worth precisely nothing.

Like the old joke says, we&#039;ve already established what you are, now we&#039;re just dickering over the price. 

&quot;Support my racist assholery, or I won&#039;t let you be the friend of a racist asshole!&quot;

&quot;Ooh gee, that&#039;s such a hard choice, I&#039;m going to need to take some time to think this over, not. Now get the hell out of my life.&quot;


With this statement, the catholic church has renounced its moral authority over just about anyone at all. 

Now personally I&#039;d have said it did so long *long* before, by its obscene wealth in the face of poverty, by its enabling and support of paedophiles, by the Magdalene laundries, hell, even by the Spanish inquisition, but I digress.

It&#039;s shown its true ugliness in a way that finally clicks with you. And it&#039;s shown that it values that ugliness over you, and over whatever good it was meant to be doing you. 

IT HAS NOTHING OF VALUE TO TAKE FROM YOU. It is worthless at best. You don&#039;t need or want anything it has to give. 

Damn right you ought not be a member of the catholic church - and you should be PROUD of that fact. 

If anything, you should thank them for opening your eyes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine you had a good friend, maybe one you&#8217;d known all your life. </p>
<p>Imagine that one day you find your friend making horrible racist remarks towards someone else you care about. </p>
<p>You protest, saying that&#8217;s not a decent way to act, and they tell you that if you don&#8217;t hate black people, you shouldn&#8217;t consider them your friend. </p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s a lot of things, and none of them nice in the least&#8230; but it&#8217;s not bullying. </p>
<p>Your friend can&#8217;t bully you, because he has renounced all his leverage over you. If he&#8217;s that committed to racial hatred, then his friendship is *already* worth precisely nothing.</p>
<p>Like the old joke says, we&#8217;ve already established what you are, now we&#8217;re just dickering over the price. </p>
<p>&#8220;Support my racist assholery, or I won&#8217;t let you be the friend of a racist a*****e!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Ooh gee, that&#8217;s such a hard choice, I&#8217;m going to need to take some time to think this over, not. Now get the hell out of my life.&#8221;</p>
<p>With this statement, the catholic church has renounced its moral authority over just about anyone at all. </p>
<p>Now personally I&#8217;d have said it did so long *long* before, by its obscene wealth in the face of poverty, by its enabling and support of paedophiles, by the Magdalene laundries, hell, even by the Spanish inquisition, but I digress.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s shown its true ugliness in a way that finally clicks with you. And it&#8217;s shown that it values that ugliness over you, and over whatever good it was meant to be doing you. </p>
<p>IT HAS NOTHING OF VALUE TO TAKE FROM YOU. It is worthless at best. You don&#8217;t need or want anything it has to give. </p>
<p>Damn right you ought not be a member of the catholic church &#8211; and you should be PROUD of that fact. </p>
<p>If anything, you should thank them for opening your eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 23:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just wanted to second Jerry&#039;s post (10).  Getting free of religion is as easy as saying, &quot;I do not believe.&quot;  All freedom begins with freedom from religion.  There are great atheist associations here in Texas, so I assume you can find one anywhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to second Jerry&#8217;s post (10).  Getting free of religion is as easy as saying, &#8220;I do not believe.&#8221;  All freedom begins with freedom from religion.  There are great atheist associations here in Texas, so I assume you can find one anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/10/30335/comment-page-1/#comment-79834</link>
		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the only reason the catholic church is anti gay is that they dont want the competition]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only reason the catholic church is anti gay is that they dont want the competition</p>
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		<title>By: D. Edward Malcolm</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/10/30335/comment-page-1/#comment-79833</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Edward Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Erik. I would add to your post the following reflection on the primacy of conscience made by a Catholic theologian in 1968: &quot;Above the Pope as an expression of the binding claim of church authority stands one&#039;s own conscience, which has to be obeyed first of all, if need be against the demands of church authority.&quot; Oh, the theologian? One Josef Ratzinger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Erik. I would add to your post the following reflection on the primacy of conscience made by a Catholic theologian in 1968: &#8220;Above the Pope as an expression of the binding claim of church authority stands one&#8217;s own conscience, which has to be obeyed first of all, if need be against the demands of church authority.&#8221; Oh, the theologian? One Josef Ratzinger.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/10/30335/comment-page-1/#comment-79832</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No Steve, it is what the church says.  The Catholic Church is an anti-gay organization.  This is what they believe--not the members, but this is what the church as an organization preaches.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Steve, it is what the church says.  The Catholic Church is an anti-gay organization.  This is what they believe&#8211;not the members, but this is what the church as an organization preaches.</p>
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