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	<title>Comments on: Open Forum: Conformism and Sexism in APA DSM Review?</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Melissa G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although homosexuality will not be back in the DSM-V, some variation of it such as Sexual Disorder NOS (Not Otherwise Specified) distress about being homosexual still is in the DSM-IV.

Reparative Therapy for homosexuals who voluntarily (and unfortunately minors whose parents volunteered them) can still make its way into the DSM-V without homosexuality or SSAD (same sex attraction disorder) making it into the DSM-V.

Since the mental health profession profits enormously off of stigmatizing people and the Christian Right gives political counterweight, their is a good change that reparative therapy in everything but name will be in the DSM-V.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although homosexuality will not be back in the DSM-V, some variation of it such as Sexual Disorder NOS (Not Otherwise Specified) distress about being homosexual still is in the DSM-IV.</p>
<p>Reparative Therapy for homosexuals who voluntarily (and unfortunately minors whose parents volunteered them) can still make its way into the DSM-V without homosexuality or SSAD (same sex attraction disorder) making it into the DSM-V.</p>
<p>Since the mental health profession profits enormously off of stigmatizing people and the Christian Right gives political counterweight, their is a good change that reparative therapy in everything but name will be in the DSM-V.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 00:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, to say "homosexuality won't be put back in the DSM" may be technically correct. Only a technicality. Mostly because they have changed the name and narrowed their targets. Blanchard has this theory called autogynephilia he wants put in the DSM (the mental hospital "bible") and it substantially describes bisexual queens. Of course he tries to make it much more complicated that that, but in the end it merely describes queens.
 
Queens (effeminate homosexual/bisexual men) should greatly fear this development, they risk being labeled "transsexual homosexual" or some such and tarred with a mental illness if Blanchard gets his way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, to say &#8220;homosexuality won&#8217;t be put back in the DSM&#8221; may be technically correct. Only a technicality. Mostly because they have changed the name and narrowed their targets. Blanchard has this theory called autogynephilia he wants put in the DSM (the mental hospital &#8220;bible&#8221;) and it substantially describes bisexual queens. Of course he tries to make it much more complicated that that, but in the end it merely describes queens.</p>
<p>Queens (effeminate homosexual/bisexual men) should greatly fear this development, they risk being labeled &#8220;transsexual homosexual&#8221; or some such and tarred with a mental illness if Blanchard gets his way.</p>
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		<title>By: somethingtobe</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/open-forum-conformism-and-sexism-in-apa-dsm-review/#comment-6166</link>
		<dc:creator>somethingtobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are two "links" (sorry, I didn't know how to do them as actual links) with information about Zucker and the DSM issue, both from Transadvocate.  One of the articles also has information about a petition:

http://transadvocate.com/uncategorized/uh-oh.htm

http://transadvocate.com/intersex/update-on-zucker-blanchard-and-the-revision-of-the-dsm.htm

My partner would say that someone who transitions because they're gay or lesbian has transitioned for the wrong reasons.  Apart from a few anecdotes from J. Michael Bailey, Paul McHugh, and some other notoriously transphobic "GID specialists", there is pretty much no evidence that anyone is actually an "autogynephiliac". Being trans doesn't actually have much to do with sexual orientation, which is why there are plenty of lesbian and gay-identifed trans people (trans women who like women and trans men who like men, respectively). 

My concern about Zucker is that he will attempt to get the DSM to approve therapies to "fix" trans people-- currently it specifies that the most effective treatment is transition and SRS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are two &#8220;links&#8221; (sorry, I didn&#8217;t know how to do them as actual links) with information about Zucker and the DSM issue, both from Transadvocate.  One of the articles also has information about a petition:</p>
<p><a href="http://transadvocate.com/uncategorized/uh-oh.htm" rel="nofollow">http://transadvocate.com/uncategorized/uh-oh.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://transadvocate.com/intersex/update-on-zucker-blanchard-and-the-revision-of-the-dsm.htm" rel="nofollow">http://transadvocate.com/intersex/update-on-zucker-blanchard-and-the-revision-of-the-dsm.htm</a></p>
<p>My partner would say that someone who transitions because they&#8217;re gay or lesbian has transitioned for the wrong reasons.  Apart from a few anecdotes from J. Michael Bailey, Paul McHugh, and some other notoriously transphobic &#8220;GID specialists&#8221;, there is pretty much no evidence that anyone is actually an &#8220;autogynephiliac&#8221;. Being trans doesn&#8217;t actually have much to do with sexual orientation, which is why there are plenty of lesbian and gay-identifed trans people (trans women who like women and trans men who like men, respectively). </p>
<p>My concern about Zucker is that he will attempt to get the DSM to approve therapies to &#8220;fix&#8221; trans people&#8211; currently it specifies that the most effective treatment is transition and SRS.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Airhart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Airhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, somethingtobe,

My original conclusion was much harsher toward both Zucker and the APA. Then when I had read the GCN story and remarks by Dr. Jack Drescher, in the interest of fairness to the APA I backed off a bit.

I share your suspicion about Zucker regarding GID and I plan to say more about this as I learn more. While I think it's conceivable that a few transgender people just don't want to confront their same-sex orientation (and, to be fair, some homosexual people don't want to confront their bisexuality, and some men don't want to confront their gender variances)... my early impression is that Zucker has gotten carried away with oversimplistic responses to patients that don't apply to most transgender people. 

In encourage commenters to provide more context and links to information about Zucker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, somethingtobe,</p>
<p>My original conclusion was much harsher toward both Zucker and the APA. Then when I had read the GCN story and remarks by Dr. Jack Drescher, in the interest of fairness to the APA I backed off a bit.</p>
<p>I share your suspicion about Zucker regarding GID and I plan to say more about this as I learn more. While I think it&#8217;s conceivable that a few transgender people just don&#8217;t want to confront their same-sex orientation (and, to be fair, some homosexual people don&#8217;t want to confront their bisexuality, and some men don&#8217;t want to confront their gender variances)&#8230; my early impression is that Zucker has gotten carried away with oversimplistic responses to patients that don&#8217;t apply to most transgender people. </p>
<p>In encourage commenters to provide more context and links to information about Zucker.</p>
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		<title>By: somethingtobe</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/open-forum-conformism-and-sexism-in-apa-dsm-review/#comment-6161</link>
		<dc:creator>somethingtobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 15:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're missing the point here.  Yes, homosexuality probably won't be back in the DSM.

BUT-- trans people will be even more stigmatized than they already are.  They will be encouraged to "change"-- and efforts to change trans people are just as ineffective as those to change LGB people.  

Zucker believes in classifying trans people based on their sexual orientation and supports the myth that trans women who are attracted to women are really "autogynephiles"-- that their gender identity is a fetish centering around having their own vaginas; basically a form of "heterosexuality" that they've turned inward so they're their own sexual objects.  There is no scientific basis for this view; it contradicts the experiences of most if not all lesbian-identified trans women; and it is frankly dehumanizing.

I find it odd that you describe trans people as people "struggling with their gender identity."  Sounds suspiciously like the ex-gay groups' descriptions of LGB people as "struggling with homosexuality".  Many trans people are quite sure of their gender identity-- it just doesn't fall on the side of their biological sex.  The "struggle" is for self-acceptance and societal acceptance-- the same as for LGB people.

I usually like TruthWinsOut, but this time I'm very disappointed.  Why are you only considering the impact of Zucker's appointment to the group revising the DSM on LGB people, and not on trans people, who it's much more likely to hurt???

--proud partner of a trans woman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re missing the point here.  Yes, homosexuality probably won&#8217;t be back in the DSM.</p>
<p>BUT&#8211; trans people will be even more stigmatized than they already are.  They will be encouraged to &#8220;change&#8221;&#8211; and efforts to change trans people are just as ineffective as those to change LGB people.  </p>
<p>Zucker believes in classifying trans people based on their sexual orientation and supports the myth that trans women who are attracted to women are really &#8220;autogynephiles&#8221;&#8211; that their gender identity is a fetish centering around having their own vaginas; basically a form of &#8220;heterosexuality&#8221; that they&#8217;ve turned inward so they&#8217;re their own sexual objects.  There is no scientific basis for this view; it contradicts the experiences of most if not all lesbian-identified trans women; and it is frankly dehumanizing.</p>
<p>I find it odd that you describe trans people as people &#8220;struggling with their gender identity.&#8221;  Sounds suspiciously like the ex-gay groups&#8217; descriptions of LGB people as &#8220;struggling with homosexuality&#8221;.  Many trans people are quite sure of their gender identity&#8211; it just doesn&#8217;t fall on the side of their biological sex.  The &#8220;struggle&#8221; is for self-acceptance and societal acceptance&#8211; the same as for LGB people.</p>
<p>I usually like TruthWinsOut, but this time I&#8217;m very disappointed.  Why are you only considering the impact of Zucker&#8217;s appointment to the group revising the DSM on LGB people, and not on trans people, who it&#8217;s much more likely to hurt???</p>
<p>&#8211;proud partner of a trans woman</p>
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