Comments on: ‘Truth Without Love’: Evangelicals Blast Focus on the Family http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/truth-without-love-evangelicals-blast-focus-on-the-family/ TruthWinsOut.org is a non-profit organization that counters right wing propaganda, exposes the “ex-gay” myth and educates America about gay life. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:18:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Emproph http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/truth-without-love-evangelicals-blast-focus-on-the-family/#comment-4203 Emproph Sun, 04 May 2008 09:49:06 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=622#comment-4203 <b>Phil Burress</b> ["longtime board member of Exodus International"], <i>an Ohio activist who networks with national evangelical leaders, said that if high-profile evangelical leaders such as Dobson and Land don’t support the document, “it’s like throwing a pebble in the ocean” and will carry no weight.</i> - Am I to understand that the message of Phil Burress is that without the support of "high-profile evangelical leaders," one should not even consider sending a message? Phil Burress [”longtime board member of Exodus International”], an Ohio activist who networks with national evangelical leaders, said that if high-profile evangelical leaders such as Dobson and Land don’t support the document, “it’s like throwing a pebble in the ocean” and will carry no weight.
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Am I to understand that the message of Phil Burress is that without the support of “high-profile evangelical leaders,” one should not even consider sending a message?

]]> By: Eshto http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/truth-without-love-evangelicals-blast-focus-on-the-family/#comment-4024 Eshto Sat, 03 May 2008 18:49:39 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=622#comment-4024 "...and the Christian faith becomes an ideology." Religion an ideology? No way. You know, one would think people might be turned off by religion because of all the nonsense about humans being created by an ancient Hebrew storm god and being kicked out of a mythical paradise after taking magical fruit from a talking snake; or Yahweh ordering the deaths of thousands of people, including all male homosexuals; or women being the property of men; or talking donkeys and people walking around on water and rising from the grave; or supposedly perfect Jesus not even opposing slavery; or the constant opposition to science and labeling freethinkers as "heretics"; or all the hundreds of years Christians have been killing Jews and other groups, and each other, in the name of their mythology; or the fact that Christianity is so widespread largely because European Christians invaded other countries and continents, massacred most of the indigenous people there and forced the rest into Christian schools; or the fact that anyone who doesn't share their beliefs is threatened with eternal damnation in a mythical underworld of burning pain and torture... But apparently it's just contemporary U.S. politics that's doing it. Uh huh. “…and the Christian faith becomes an ideology.”

Religion an ideology? No way.

You know, one would think people might be turned off by religion because of all the nonsense about humans being created by an ancient Hebrew storm god and being kicked out of a mythical paradise after taking magical fruit from a talking snake; or Yahweh ordering the deaths of thousands of people, including all male homosexuals; or women being the property of men; or talking donkeys and people walking around on water and rising from the grave; or supposedly perfect Jesus not even opposing slavery; or the constant opposition to science and labeling freethinkers as “heretics”; or all the hundreds of years Christians have been killing Jews and other groups, and each other, in the name of their mythology; or the fact that Christianity is so widespread largely because European Christians invaded other countries and continents, massacred most of the indigenous people there and forced the rest into Christian schools; or the fact that anyone who doesn’t share their beliefs is threatened with eternal damnation in a mythical underworld of burning pain and torture…

But apparently it’s just contemporary U.S. politics that’s doing it.

Uh huh.

]]> By: Lorian http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/truth-without-love-evangelicals-blast-focus-on-the-family/#comment-3843 Lorian Sat, 03 May 2008 04:19:08 +0000 http://www.truthwinsout.org/?p=622#comment-3843 Yikes. So, "God Hates Fags" goes through the Truth-in-Love Translator and comes out, "God despises homosexuality, but I love you in Christ and will condescend to allow you to attend my church as long as you live a long and lonely life lacking any sort of true intimacy, or dedicate yourself to a loveless 'straight marriage' which destroys both you and your spouse and leaves your children victims of your eminently-predictable divorce..." I'd almost rather listen to "God Hates Fags." At least it's over quicker and I can get on with my life, and my relationship to my God, who does not hate fags in the slightest, but rather, celebrates our being and our love and our strength and our commitment. Thanks for keeping us up-to-date, Wayne. I love your site. Yikes. So, “God Hates Fags” goes through the Truth-in-Love Translator and comes out, “God despises homosexuality, but I love you in Christ and will condescend to allow you to attend my church as long as you live a long and lonely life lacking any sort of true intimacy, or dedicate yourself to a loveless ’straight marriage’ which destroys both you and your spouse and leaves your children victims of your eminently-predictable divorce…”

I’d almost rather listen to “God Hates Fags.” At least it’s over quicker and I can get on with my life, and my relationship to my God, who does not hate fags in the slightest, but rather, celebrates our being and our love and our strength and our commitment.

Thanks for keeping us up-to-date, Wayne. I love your site.

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