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	<title>Comments on: Video: PFOX Pleased by TV Station&#8217;s Panicky Ex-Gay Puff Piece</title>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David Fishback</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/video-panicked-pfox-pleased-by-abc-affiliates-ex-gay-puff-piece/#comment-6195</link>
		<dc:creator>David Fishback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 01:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WJLA and News Channel 8 are sister stations in the Washington, D.C., Metropolitan area.  News Talk on News Channel 8 did a segment on the WJLA report, the transcript of which may be found here:

http://www.teachthefacts.org/2008/05/david-fishback-on-newschannel-8.html#comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WJLA and News Channel 8 are sister stations in the Washington, D.C., Metropolitan area.  News Talk on News Channel 8 did a segment on the WJLA report, the transcript of which may be found here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.teachthefacts.org/2008/05/david-fishback-on-newschannel-8.html#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.teachthefacts.org/2008/05/david-fishback-on-newschannel-8.html#comments</a></p>
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		<title>By: queerunity</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/video-panicked-pfox-pleased-by-abc-affiliates-ex-gay-puff-piece/#comment-6173</link>
		<dc:creator>queerunity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 21:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff you seem to avoid Mr. Besen's challenge.  We would be more than happy to accept your 'ex-gay' "evidence" I want to see these ex-gays take a lie detector test and I will be open to believing your argument.  All I see is miserable people in denial and living double lives as Wayne has demonstrated.  

&lt;a href="http://www.queersunited.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.queersunited.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff you seem to avoid Mr. Besen&#8217;s challenge.  We would be more than happy to accept your &#8216;ex-gay&#8217; &#8220;evidence&#8221; I want to see these ex-gays take a lie detector test and I will be open to believing your argument.  All I see is miserable people in denial and living double lives as Wayne has demonstrated.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.queersunited.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.queersunited.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/video-panicked-pfox-pleased-by-abc-affiliates-ex-gay-puff-piece/#comment-5825</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 09:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of living a lie, good luck proving you're a heterosexual, Jeff.  No expert on homosex is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of living a lie, good luck proving you&#8217;re a heterosexual, Jeff.  No expert on homosex is.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/video-panicked-pfox-pleased-by-abc-affiliates-ex-gay-puff-piece/#comment-5799</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 01:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, Wayne Besen is living a lie. Good luck to him in a debate with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, Wayne Besen is living a lie. Good luck to him in a debate with me.</p>
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		<title>By: vegasguy</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/video-panicked-pfox-pleased-by-abc-affiliates-ex-gay-puff-piece/#comment-5387</link>
		<dc:creator>vegasguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,be careful what you wishful in a debate with Wayne, He's polished and knows his stuff, he'll have your head on a platter before the  debate is over!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,be careful what you wishful in a debate with Wayne, He&#8217;s polished and knows his stuff, he&#8217;ll have your head on a platter before the  debate is over!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Airhart</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/video-panicked-pfox-pleased-by-abc-affiliates-ex-gay-puff-piece/#comment-5354</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Airhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 19:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WJLA is owned by the Allbritton family. Sorry, no Moonie connections -- and their anchors (Maureen Bunyan, Leon Harris, Gordon Peterson) are top-notch for the local market. 

I think this is an example of rushed TV reporting that pretends to be balanced by giving undue attention to various fronts of the &lt;a href="http://averagegayjoe.blogspot.com/2008/05/total-revenue-earnings-of-anti-gay.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;very-well-funded&lt;/a&gt; Family Research Council.

However, I give WJLA credit for including Scott Melendez and Truth Wins Out in the report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WJLA is owned by the Allbritton family. Sorry, no Moonie connections &#8212; and their anchors (Maureen Bunyan, Leon Harris, Gordon Peterson) are top-notch for the local market. </p>
<p>I think this is an example of rushed TV reporting that pretends to be balanced by giving undue attention to various fronts of the <a href="http://averagegayjoe.blogspot.com/2008/05/total-revenue-earnings-of-anti-gay.html" rel="nofollow">very-well-funded</a> Family Research Council.</p>
<p>However, I give WJLA credit for including Scott Melendez and Truth Wins Out in the report.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Jeff,Ann Heche Was never gay. She Was only using Ellen to further her lousy acting career.Btw, where is Ann now?"

And don't forget Ann's mom uses her daughter to further her own agenda (among the "ex-gay" kooks).

What did Ellen see in that bisexual doped-up looking nut of a bad "actress" anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jeff,Ann Heche Was never gay. She Was only using Ellen to further her lousy acting career.Btw, where is Ann now?&#8221;</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget Ann&#8217;s mom uses her daughter to further her own agenda (among the &#8220;ex-gay&#8221; kooks).</p>
<p>What did Ellen see in that bisexual doped-up looking nut of a bad &#8220;actress&#8221; anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Seiferth Jr.</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/video-panicked-pfox-pleased-by-abc-affiliates-ex-gay-puff-piece/#comment-5338</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Seiferth Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is WJLA owned by the Washington Times, and by extension the Moonies?  The report smacks of the same style as I'm used to from the WAtimes.

Jeff - less is more.  Those posts are too long and run together and are tiresome to read.  Brief, concise paragraphs are much more effective than the manifesto style you are using.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is WJLA owned by the Washington Times, and by extension the Moonies?  The report smacks of the same style as I&#8217;m used to from the WAtimes.</p>
<p>Jeff - less is more.  Those posts are too long and run together and are tiresome to read.  Brief, concise paragraphs are much more effective than the manifesto style you are using.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Airhart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Airhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff --

Again:

1. you have posted an article-length comment that makes countless unsubstantiated claims 

2. your comment appears to be cut-and-pasted (plagiarized) from sources that you have failed to credit.

3. your comment is off-topic -- it does not relate to WJLA's report

Your comment will be deleted shortly. In the future, substantiate all malicious claims, keep them on topic, and most important, link to original and reputable sources. 

This is your second warning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8211;</p>
<p>Again:</p>
<p>1. you have posted an article-length comment that makes countless unsubstantiated claims </p>
<p>2. your comment appears to be cut-and-pasted (plagiarized) from sources that you have failed to credit.</p>
<p>3. your comment is off-topic &#8212; it does not relate to WJLA&#8217;s report</p>
<p>Your comment will be deleted shortly. In the future, substantiate all malicious claims, keep them on topic, and most important, link to original and reputable sources. </p>
<p>This is your second warning.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 14:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not let the people decide? Are you afraid that they will actually look at the issue, or perhpas find out the following:

Dr. Lillian Faderman, who has won the Monette/Horwitz Award from the pro-sodomy activist group Lambda Literary Foundation, states: “And we continue to demand Rights, ignoring the fact that human sexuality is fluid and flexible, acting as though we are all stuck in our category forever.” She further states, “The narrow categories of identity politics are obviously deceptive.” It becomes obvious later in the article from which the above quotes are pulled that Dr. Faderman sees a political threat from the truth, from the fluidity of human sexuality. “I must confess that I am both elated and terrified by the possibilities of a bisexual moment. I’m elated because I truly believe that bisexuality is the natural human condition. But I’m much less happy when I think of the possibility of huge numbers of homosexuals (two-thirds of women who identify as lesbian for example) running off to explore the heterosexual side of their bisexual potential and, as a result, decimating our political ranks.” Dr. Faderman also writes that, “The concept of gay and lesbian identity may be nothing but a social construct, but it has been crucial, enabling us to become a political movement and demand the rights that are do to us as a minority. What becomes of our political movement if we openly acknowledge that sexuality is flexible and fluid, that gay and lesbian does not signify ‘a people’ but rather a ‘sometime behavior’?”          
	Dr. John DeCecco is a psychologist, Director of the Center for Research and Education in Sexuality at San Francisco State University, and Editor of The Journal of Homosexuality. Dr. DeCecco calls himself “gay” but insists that such attractions are a changeable preference not an orientation. He explains in his book entitled, If You Seduce A Straight Person You Can Make Them Gay, that, the whole born gay and immutable characteristic idea is just “gay and lesbian politics” and is aimed at achieving “gay” rights. 
         Dr. Vera Whisman writes in her book, Queer by Choice: Lesbians, Gay Men, and the Politics of Identity, “The political dangers of a choice discourse go beyond the simple (if controversial) notion that some people genuinely choose their homosexuality. Indeed, my conclusions question some of the fundamental basis upon which the gay and lesbian rights movement has been built. If we cannot make political claims based on an essential and shared nature, are we not left once again as individual deviants? Without an essentialist [born gay] foundation, do we have a viable politics?” 
          Lesbian writer Jennie Ruby admits, “I don’t think lesbians are born…I think they are made… The gay rights movement has (for many good, practical reasons) adopted largely an identity politics.” 
         Jan Clausen, lesbian author of the book Apples and Oranges writes, “What’s got to stop is the rigging of history to make the either/or look permanent and universal. I understand why this argument may sound erotic to outsiders for whom the public assertion of a coherent, unchanging lesbian or gay identity has proved an indispensable tactic in the battle against homophobic persecution.” Later, Clausen quotes the popular lesbian poet Audre Lorde, who admits the lies associated with the born “gay” hoax as well, when she writes, “I do not believe our wants have made all our lies holy.”   
	The National Center for Lesbian Rights (NCLR) is one of the homosexual activist organizations that pressure the American Psychiatric Association to reject homosexual reparative therapy. The NCLR claims that the “gay” identity is innate and unchangeable. JoAnne Loulan is one of the psychotherapists who served on the board of directors for this organization. Loulan made hypocritical headlines on the February 18, 1997 edition of the homosexual magazine The Advocate because she reportedly changed her own sexual orientation when she, fell in love with a man…?  
	Further, Kate Kendall, the Director of the NCLR, who in the spirit of Ulrichs, Kirk, and Madsen argued that the so-called “gay” person was endowed with a fixed, innate, and unchangeable, “sexual orientation” and commanded the American Psychiatric Association to halt all forms of reparative therapy for all people, including those desperately looking for help, actually wrote an article for Frontiers Magazine, arguing that sexual orientation is fluid, not fixed.  
Kate Kendall and Joanne Loulan stood before the American Psychiatric Association with straight faces declaring reparative therapy to be the dangerous equivalent of pouring bleach on a black person’s skin to make them white. Then, one of these self-proclaimed “gays” went out and changed her own so-called “sexual-orientation” by falling in love with a man and the other took the time to write an article for an insiders’ magazine arguing that sexuality is changeable. Is it possible, for us to continue to trust these activists when say that they are born gay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not let the people decide? Are you afraid that they will actually look at the issue, or perhpas find out the following:</p>
<p>Dr. Lillian Faderman, who has won the Monette/Horwitz Award from the pro-sodomy activist group Lambda Literary Foundation, states: “And we continue to demand Rights, ignoring the fact that human sexuality is fluid and flexible, acting as though we are all stuck in our category forever.” She further states, “The narrow categories of identity politics are obviously deceptive.” It becomes obvious later in the article from which the above quotes are pulled that Dr. Faderman sees a political threat from the truth, from the fluidity of human sexuality. “I must confess that I am both elated and terrified by the possibilities of a bisexual moment. I’m elated because I truly believe that bisexuality is the natural human condition. But I’m much less happy when I think of the possibility of huge numbers of homosexuals (two-thirds of women who identify as lesbian for example) running off to explore the heterosexual side of their bisexual potential and, as a result, decimating our political ranks.” Dr. Faderman also writes that, “The concept of gay and lesbian identity may be nothing but a social construct, but it has been crucial, enabling us to become a political movement and demand the rights that are do to us as a minority. What becomes of our political movement if we openly acknowledge that sexuality is flexible and fluid, that gay and lesbian does not signify ‘a people’ but rather a ‘sometime behavior’?”<br />
	Dr. John DeCecco is a psychologist, Director of the Center for Research and Education in Sexuality at San Francisco State University, and Editor of The Journal of Homosexuality. Dr. DeCecco calls himself “gay” but insists that such attractions are a changeable preference not an orientation. He explains in his book entitled, If You Seduce A Straight Person You Can Make Them Gay, that, the whole born gay and immutable characteristic idea is just “gay and lesbian politics” and is aimed at achieving “gay” rights.<br />
         Dr. Vera Whisman writes in her book, Queer by Choice: Lesbians, Gay Men, and the Politics of Identity, “The political dangers of a choice discourse go beyond the simple (if controversial) notion that some people genuinely choose their homosexuality. Indeed, my conclusions question some of the fundamental basis upon which the gay and lesbian rights movement has been built. If we cannot make political claims based on an essential and shared nature, are we not left once again as individual deviants? Without an essentialist [born gay] foundation, do we have a viable politics?”<br />
          Lesbian writer Jennie Ruby admits, “I don’t think lesbians are born…I think they are made… The gay rights movement has (for many good, practical reasons) adopted largely an identity politics.”<br />
         Jan Clausen, lesbian author of the book Apples and Oranges writes, “What’s got to stop is the rigging of history to make the either/or look permanent and universal. I understand why this argument may sound erotic to outsiders for whom the public assertion of a coherent, unchanging lesbian or gay identity has proved an indispensable tactic in the battle against homophobic persecution.” Later, Clausen quotes the popular lesbian poet Audre Lorde, who admits the lies associated with the born “gay” hoax as well, when she writes, “I do not believe our wants have made all our lies holy.”<br />
	The National Center for Lesbian Rights (NCLR) is one of the homosexual activist organizations that pressure the American Psychiatric Association to reject homosexual reparative therapy. The NCLR claims that the “gay” identity is innate and unchangeable. JoAnne Loulan is one of the psychotherapists who served on the board of directors for this organization. Loulan made hypocritical headlines on the February 18, 1997 edition of the homosexual magazine The Advocate because she reportedly changed her own sexual orientation when she, fell in love with a man…?<br />
	Further, Kate Kendall, the Director of the NCLR, who in the spirit of Ulrichs, Kirk, and Madsen argued that the so-called “gay” person was endowed with a fixed, innate, and unchangeable, “sexual orientation” and commanded the American Psychiatric Association to halt all forms of reparative therapy for all people, including those desperately looking for help, actually wrote an article for Frontiers Magazine, arguing that sexual orientation is fluid, not fixed.<br />
Kate Kendall and Joanne Loulan stood before the American Psychiatric Association with straight faces declaring reparative therapy to be the dangerous equivalent of pouring bleach on a black person’s skin to make them white. Then, one of these self-proclaimed “gays” went out and changed her own so-called “sexual-orientation” by falling in love with a man and the other took the time to write an article for an insiders’ magazine arguing that sexuality is changeable. Is it possible, for us to continue to trust these activists when say that they are born gay?</p>
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